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Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby ajsy0203 » Sat May 01, 2021 8:51 am

    



One of the comment on FB said (K* G* - name withheld):
Karen Ibasco is not the type of beauty queen that preach about a certain advocacy for the sake of having an advocacy. Karen knows what she's saying. She research. She's Miss Earth! Hello?
Na-lecturan tuloy si Miss Supra Tennessee. Huwag si Karen Ibasco, teh! Just don't! Lol!


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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby ajsy0203 » Sat May 01, 2021 9:14 am

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Please check her response on her IG stories.

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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby ambasing » Sat May 01, 2021 11:28 am

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One of the comment on FB said (K* G* - name withheld):
Karen Ibasco is not the type of beauty queen that preach about a certain advocacy for the sake of having an advocacy. Karen knows what she's saying. She research. She's Miss Earth! Hello?
Na-lecturan tuloy si Miss Supra Tennessee. Huwag si Karen Ibasco, teh! Just don't! Lol!


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Well Ms USA - Suprantional is right!!!

and of course Ibasco will defend Nestle as she is part of it.
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby Handsama » Sat May 01, 2021 11:41 am

Agree with Queen Karen. Regardless of how much a certain company is perceived to add to environmental damage, it matters that we support its efforts to curb such. Vilifying it won’t lead to better outcome.


Miss Earth 2017 @karenibasco posted a message via her Instagram stories after a post regarding her response to an American beauty queen went abuzz on social media.

The commenter, who turned out to be Miss Supranational Tennessee 2020, called her out for supporting Nestle's environmental campaign, despite the company being named a top plastic polluter in the world.

For Karen, it is more important to encourage these companies who caused environmental damage to change their ways, instead of pointing fingers.


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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby ajsy0203 » Sat May 01, 2021 12:21 pm

Handsama wrote:Agree with Queen Karen. Regardless of how much a certain company is perceived to add to environmental damage, it matters that we support its efforts to curb such. Vilifying it won’t lead to better outcome.


Miss Earth 2017 @karenibasco posted a message via her Instagram stories after a post regarding her response to an American beauty queen went abuzz on social media.

The commenter, who turned out to be Miss Supranational Tennessee 2020, called her out for supporting Nestle's environmental campaign, despite the company being named a top plastic polluter in the world.

For Karen, it is more important to encourage these companies who caused environmental damage to change their ways, instead of pointing fingers.




Arianna Vel responded already on IG, but let's take some healthy discussion out there.

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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby esperasave » Sat May 01, 2021 2:44 pm

But Nestle is a big Food Products company. What have they done bad over the years?
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby ne0n » Sat May 01, 2021 4:21 pm

I think Karen is not there to promote Nestle as a brand, but to raise awareness of the company's effort to be Net Zero (reduction of emissions which is aligned with the Paris Agreement).

At least the company is doing something to drastically change their impact to the environment. Keeping a blind eye and not doing anything is far worse.
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sat May 01, 2021 4:58 pm

I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>
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Postby esperasave » Sat May 01, 2021 5:03 pm

manoypoe wrote:I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>


Every businesses whether small or big utilizes energy and it's one waste product is thru air emision. How come that they are single out Nestle?
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sat May 01, 2021 5:18 pm

esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>


Every businesses whether small or big utilizes energy and it's one waste product is thru air emision. How come that they are single out Nestle?


Arianna claimed that she had made a thesis about Nestle and she admires Karen. So she was disappointed that Karen is promoting Nestle. I think, Karen is not promoting Nestle's products but only Nestle's Net Zero Fair initiative. Hoping that Nestle is really serious in correcting their erring ways.

There is a positive side of this issue coz it is educating us. I never knew that Nestle has done serious environmental damage.

I want to hear Queen Lindsey's opinion about this issue. :=p :=p =D> =D>
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby esperasave » Sat May 01, 2021 5:46 pm

manoypoe wrote:
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manoypoe wrote:I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>


Every businesses whether small or big utilizes energy and it's one waste product is thru air emision. How come that they are single out Nestle?


Arianna claimed that she had made a thesis about Nestle and she admires Karen. So she was disappointed that Karen is promoting Nestle. I think, Karen is not promoting Nestle's products but only Nestle's Net Zero Fair initiative. Hoping that Nestle is really serious in correcting their erring ways.

There is a positive side of this issue coz it is educating us. I never knew that Nestle has done serious environmental damage.

I want to hear Queen Lindsey's opinion about this issue. :=p :=p =D> =D>


If Nestle have done serious damage with their business, how come they continued to operate and have grown worldwide? Come to think twice.
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby Jayah » Sat May 01, 2021 6:34 pm

esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:
esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>


Every businesses whether small or big utilizes energy and it's one waste product is thru air emision. How come that they are single out Nestle?


Arianna claimed that she had made a thesis about Nestle and she admires Karen. So she was disappointed that Karen is promoting Nestle. I think, Karen is not promoting Nestle's products but only Nestle's Net Zero Fair initiative. Hoping that Nestle is really serious in correcting their erring ways.

There is a positive side of this issue coz it is educating us. I never knew that Nestle has done serious environmental damage.

I want to hear Queen Lindsey's opinion about this issue. :=p :=p =D> =D>


If Nestle have done serious damage with their business, how come they continued to operate and have grown worldwide? Come to think twice.


It's not only Nestle, it's almost or every company in the world, especially the big ones.

Karen is not representing Nestle products, she is talking about the company's environmental responsibility.
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sat May 01, 2021 7:48 pm

esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:
esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>


Every businesses whether small or big utilizes energy and it's one waste product is thru air emision. How come that they are single out Nestle?


Arianna claimed that she had made a thesis about Nestle and she admires Karen. So she was disappointed that Karen is promoting Nestle. I think, Karen is not promoting Nestle's products but only Nestle's Net Zero Fair initiative. Hoping that Nestle is really serious in correcting their erring ways.

There is a positive side of this issue coz it is educating us. I never knew that Nestle has done serious environmental damage.

I want to hear Queen Lindsey's opinion about this issue. :=p :=p =D> =D>


If Nestle have done serious damage with their business, how come they continued to operate and have grown worldwide? Come to think twice.


I think, it is not a crime(?) when your company is doing serious damage to Mother Earth. Nestle comes into the spotlight coz of Queen Karen's recent activities with the company. Arianna was just disappointed that Queen Karen is 'promoting' Nestle when in fact Queen Karen is not all promoting Nestle's products.
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sat May 01, 2021 7:51 pm

Jayah wrote:
esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:
esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>


Every businesses whether small or big utilizes energy and it's one waste product is thru air emision. How come that they are single out Nestle?


Arianna claimed that she had made a thesis about Nestle and she admires Karen. So she was disappointed that Karen is promoting Nestle. I think, Karen is not promoting Nestle's products but only Nestle's Net Zero Fair initiative. Hoping that Nestle is really serious in correcting their erring ways.

There is a positive side of this issue coz it is educating us. I never knew that Nestle has done serious environmental damage.

I want to hear Queen Lindsey's opinion about this issue. :=p :=p =D> =D>


If Nestle have done serious damage with their business, how come they continued to operate and have grown worldwide? Come to think twice.


It's not only Nestle, it's almost or every company in the world, especially the big ones.

Karen is not representing Nestle products, she is talking about the company's environmental responsibility.


Agree, the steel industries. They are the one of the business sectors creating irreparable damage to Mother Earth. Actually, in China, they have already started downsizing their steel industries. They have cut their outputs and now started importing scrap steel from other parts of the world.

I also agree with Karen's stand to have a dialogue with major companies.
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Postby ne0n » Sat May 01, 2021 10:14 pm

It is actually healthy to hear feedbacks and opposing views to form a deeper understanding with the issue at hand. Everyone can contribute to better understand this global problem and suggest possible solutions. Thank you Queen Karen for opening the discussion.

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Postby esperasave » Sun May 02, 2021 1:08 am

manoypoe wrote:
Jayah wrote:
esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:
esperasave wrote:
manoypoe wrote:I read the exchange between Karen and Arianna, both have valid points. I am in between but slightly leaning towards Karen not because she is Miss Earth but her points are very valid. Having a dialogue with a company people believe to be damaging Mother Earth but is now calibrating their steps is a very positive move. I think, Arianna belongs to Miss Earth than any other pageants. Love to see opposing ideas among the Queens, we have a healthy and professional discussions. Fans must allow them to have a peaceful discussion coz we will all learn. :=p :=p =D>


Every businesses whether small or big utilizes energy and it's one waste product is thru air emision. How come that they are single out Nestle?


Arianna claimed that she had made a thesis about Nestle and she admires Karen. So she was disappointed that Karen is promoting Nestle. I think, Karen is not promoting Nestle's products but only Nestle's Net Zero Fair initiative. Hoping that Nestle is really serious in correcting their erring ways.

There is a positive side of this issue coz it is educating us. I never knew that Nestle has done serious environmental damage.

I want to hear Queen Lindsey's opinion about this issue. :=p :=p =D> =D>


If Nestle have done serious damage with their business, how come they continued to operate and have grown worldwide? Come to think twice.


It's not only Nestle, it's almost or every company in the world, especially the big ones.

Karen is not representing Nestle products, she is talking about the company's environmental responsibility.


Agree, the steel industries. They are the one of the business sectors creating irreparable damage to Mother Earth. Actually, in China, they have already started downsizing their steel industries. They have cut their outputs and now started importing scrap steel from other parts of the world.

I also agree with Karen's stand to have a dialogue with major companies.


But Karen can become Nestle's endorser. She got the charm, goods and intellect to increase it's sales.
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby ajsy0203 » Sun May 02, 2021 1:21 am

I felt Arianna participated at the wrong pageant? If she will win Miss Supranational USA title, will Gerhard & co. use her advocacy to their organization?
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Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 4:31 am

ajsy0203 wrote:I felt Arianna competed at the wrong pageant? If she will win Miss Supranational USA title, will Gerhard & co. use her advocacy to their pageant?


She said she is no more pageants but I love to see her in Miss Earth USA stage and represent USA or USVI in Miss Earth stage.
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:13 pm

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I'm posting this here because the conversation you'll read is heavy hitting, smart and polite.

I'm a little conflicted at how public this discussion has become but as a fan, I know that not all my DMs will be seen or addressed so might as well take a chance with a very public comment.

So to give you some context, Karen Ibasco, Miss Earth 2017 participated at the Nestle Net Zero Fair, an event to discuss sustainability, better practices and programs related to climate change and the corporation's direct effect on the environment.

@ariannavail , an environmental advocate and former Miss Supranational TN, who has done extensive research on the issue expressed her disappointment towards Karen's participation and involvement with a company who she knows is one of the largest emitters of waste and carbon in the world.

I feel that both ladies addressed their positions clearly. They were both queenly but I got to hand this to Karen for backing up her statements with facts, class and restraint.

Learn people.

Also, when one party expressed intentions to settle things in private. Ummm yes. Discuss the issue at hand privately. Just saying coz I knew of someone who wanted to discuss things in private only to have screenshots emerge from our "private" conversation distributed to shady parties. Wonk wonk.

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Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:16 pm

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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:18 pm

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#Classy not trashy. Good job to both ladies. #Queenly


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Parang nasa roundtable discussion lang tayo! Ang ganda ng flow ng usapan. Both parties are right


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Then these bashers have the audacity to doubt the win of Karen? Eh after the pageant, she still has one of the greatest relevance sa title niya.
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Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:19 pm

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Tita I liked how Karen address this issue. May point sya na hindi paraan na ipa-shutdown ang isang company because aminin naman talaga natin that companies have contributed greatly to the economy. Instead of them shutting down their businesses, why not nga naman encourage them to practice sustainability practices in which Karen always pin pointing it "to change our ways" just like how she answered her Q and A back then at Miss Earth 2017.
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Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:21 pm

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Apologies, there's just so many hostile-toned "Karens" in my country (US) right now. Whereas the real Karen is the one who has actual receipts, direct interaction with the companies & lays out a fair ending to this discussion.


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Next thing we know, debate na ang intelligence portion ng Miss Earth


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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:23 pm

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Na nosebleed ako. Ang sustansya ng usapan. Parehas na may point. May pinaglalaban. May facts. May utak. Kay ate Supranational join ka ng ME pls.


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nanlalamon talaga ito si Karen gh0rL! Most of the MPE queens (may mga exceptions ha) ay very articulate at very diplomatic sa pagsagot. No wonder yung iba either nagveventure sa Business, NGO or sa mga gov't. post. Kids Learn!!! #BeLikeKaren


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An example of a strong but healthy argument. Ad Hominem left the "Earth".
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:27 pm

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Raising your argument without being rude is indeed possible. Each side has solid points. Ang gaan lang ng batuhan nila. This is really fitting for a Miss Earth title holder. And I believe, Karen won’t allow herself to be affiliated in a company who has hidden agenda. That only defeats the purpose of the cause she believes in. This fact alone proves that the said company is really redirecting its steps to mitigate the effects of climate change. She clearly did her research.

For the former MSupranational TN, I like her small gesture of agreeing that this should be discussed privately. Pag iba yan, masyadong pabida for the sake of showing off to people na she is knowledgeable enough.


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I love their conversation. So proud of our queen!A true Miss Earth everyone!


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Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:29 pm

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Ang intense pero polite pa din. Good job, ladies! @titasofpageantry @karenibasco


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The only “Karen” we deserve


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Ang sarap basahinn, ang intellectual ng conversation. Also, bakit naririnig ko boses ni Ms Karen habang nagbabasa? Hahahaha
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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:32 pm

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oh ayan koronahan na ulit! ahaha. so much respect to both queens.


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@ariannavail Hello Queen, hope you consider joining Miss Earth USA!


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Re: Miss Earth 2017 vs Miss Supranational-USA candidate

Postby manoypoe » Sun May 02, 2021 5:33 pm

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That's the Karen we all need! This is why she won ME 2017.. Pero gusto ko sana more pa.. haha! Ganda ng batuhan ng points..


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