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Postby poker_man » Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:10 pm

    

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What is happening to Jonas and Shamcey's organization?


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Postby beautywatchnyc » Thu Sep 02, 2021 10:09 pm


Here comes another! A little bother perhaps to shed light on what caused the disarray or uproar would have done a long way to dispel the eventual outcome. Presenting only one side and leaving the issue hanging in the air like that points to that nefarious direction. Hit hard if you could before any damage control is done? Is that the main reason?
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby secret1417 » Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:32 pm


It was adressed to “a team of handlers” and not specifically to the org.

It also mentioned provision of national costumes, gowns, etc. I do not think that the org will tap a group that will provide costumes and gowns for all, moreso for a group to agree to provide 30 sets of everything, especially national costumes with the little time they have. I think there is a targeted audience here - handlers of the candidates - and not the org.

The post, of course, can be shady and may actually be pointing to the org. But unless it is upfront, let us spare Shamcey and Jonas specific to this issue.

And yes, whoever they are referring to, should be given a chance to explain their side.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Elyerno Zabagguri » Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:11 am

TEAM OF HANDLERS MEANING ACES & QUEENS, KAGANDAHANG FLORES AND THE CAMP???
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:54 am

They got their 15 minute of fame in the social media because they did mention themselves individually as the signatories of that official statement. However, they never specifically mentioned who were the other parties involved which was really kinda vague in nature and very playful to the minds of the public's perception. As such, I'm not buying it. In order for me to really believe more, if they can name names people so we can verify who they really are and why they said so. This is one kind of a game with no winner only losers.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Prozac » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:08 am

I am not really sure if the doctrine of "respondeat superior is applicable here. RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR IS A legal doctrine,
most commonly used in tort, that holds an employer or ORGANIZATION legally responsible for the wrongful acts of an employee
or agent,

The definition says wrongful act, it didn't include minor incidents like this one that don't involve endangering the life of
another person. But still, whether it is major or minor, the organization still has the responsibility of overseeing what is
going on inside the establishment which covers operation, planning, logistics, coordination, and structuring, and that
include handlers who may be operating or making decisions without the green light coming from THE HEAD HONCHO.

An example of respondeat superior is a janitors' negligence resulting in the customer sliding after the floor was mopped
in a grocery store. The person injured in the accident may be able to bring the janitor's employer, into the lawsuit. Another
classic example was the scalding of a customer in a popular coffee shop in America, resulting in the company paying
damages for burns.

Whatever the real story in this situation with designers, I still believe Miss Universe Philippines should scrutinize and eyeball
every activity and decision to avoid controversies not to mention verbal and internet bloodshed among fans and supporters.
The organization has the responsibility to protect its name and the people working in it as if the embers of the disputes
regarding vote-buying and the selection of the 30 candidates WAS NOT ENOUGH!
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Virginia Dalisay » Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:25 pm

Kalokahhhhh, sunod sunod yata ang mga ganap at bad vibes sa MUP. Bakit walang comment or press release sina shamcey at gaffud? :-O :-O :-O
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:32 pm

Prozac wrote:I am not really sure if the doctrine of "respondeat superior is applicable here. RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR IS A legal doctrine,
most commonly used in tort, that holds an employer or ORGANIZATION legally responsible for the wrongful acts of an employee
or agent,

The definition says wrongful act, it didn't include minor incidents like this one that don't involve endangering the life of
another person. But still, whether it is major or minor, the organization still has the responsibility of overseeing what is
going on inside the establishment which covers operation, planning, logistics, coordination, and structuring, and that
include handlers who may be operating or making decisions without the green light coming from THE HEAD HONCHO.

An example of respondeat superior is a janitors' negligence resulting in the customer sliding after the floor was mopped
in a grocery store. The person injured in the accident may be able to bring the janitor's employer, into the lawsuit. Another
classic example was the scalding of a customer in a popular coffee shop in America, resulting in the company paying
damages for burns.

Whatever the real story in this situation with designers, I still believe Miss Universe Philippines should scrutinize and eyeball
every activity and decision to avoid controversies not to mention verbal and internet bloodshed among fans and supporters.
The organization has the responsibility to protect its name and the people working in it as if the embers of the disputes
regarding vote-buying and the selection of the 30 candidates WAS NOT ENOUGH!


Well, it depends upon any given situations if respondent superior will be applicable. Like, if they signed waiver forms, disclaimer or contracts with all stipulations contained therein. An example for this in an instance, a janitor was so negligent in his or her job that caused injuries with someone. However, is the janitor a third party of the organization that is holding an employment contract with them. Mostly, janitors or janitress are agency based employment that their place of employment are not their direct employer. So, it's someone else respondent superior not theirs. Also with any kind of negligence, if it doesn't cause any injuries, you can't sue nobody. Like, a pharmacy forgot to recall any expired medicine but was taken by a customer. The customer can't sue them if nothing happens to him or her after taking the expired medicine. Subsequently, some negligence that wasn't intended to do harm or to happen is not legally bound for sanctions. Just like in the title of the thread, how can these designers sue a particular persons or entities, they didn't name names.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:55 pm

Virginia Dalisay wrote:Kalokahhhhh, sunod sunod yata ang mga ganap at bad vibes sa MUP. Bakit walang comment or press release sina shamcey at gaffud? :-O :-O :-O


Philippines is a democratic country. They can talk in length about a given topic, issues or choose to be numbed, ignore them as they wish. They are not obligated to do with what you want to do or hope for with them. They have their own dealings accordingly and if that dealings are inappropriate for you, bring them to court. That's the democratic way in the society you choose for. But you can't bring any matters just into your own hands. The judge will decide what's in stored for you based on the legal grounds of the law.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Virginia Dalisay » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:12 pm

esperasave wrote:
Virginia Dalisay wrote:Kalokahhhhh, sunod sunod yata ang mga ganap at bad vibes sa MUP. Bakit walang comment or press release sina shamcey at gaffud? :-O :-O :-O


Philippines is a democratic country. They can talk in length about a given topic, issues or choose to be numbed, ignore them as they wish. They are not obligated to do with what you want to do or hope for with them. They have their own dealings accordingly and if that dealings are inappropriate for you, bring them to court. That's the democratic way in the society you choose for. But you can't bring any matters just into your own hands.


Anyareee teh :-O niaaway mo ba akoh :-O :-O :-O

Sabi ko lang naman eh bakit parang deadmah ang lola shamcey at lola gaffud moh sa mga naglalabasang issues.

=;)) =;)) =;))

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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:13 pm

Virginia Dalisay wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Virginia Dalisay wrote:Kalokahhhhh, sunod sunod yata ang mga ganap at bad vibes sa MUP. Bakit walang comment or press release sina shamcey at gaffud? :-O :-O :-O


Philippines is a democratic country. They can talk in length about a given topic, issues or choose to be numbed, ignore them as they wish. They are not obligated to do with what you want to do or hope for with them. They have their own dealings accordingly and if that dealings are inappropriate for you, bring them to court. That's the democratic way in the society you choose for. But you can't bring any matters just into your own hands.


Anyareee teh :-O niaaway mo ba akoh :-O :-O :-O =;))

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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Angela » Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:49 pm

If there was no contract signed between MUPH and these organizers, then this rant is just that - a rant and nothing more. If there's no written contract, MUPH can do whatever they think would be best for the girls and the pageant.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:29 pm

Angela wrote:If there was no contract signed between MUPH and these organizers, then this rant is just that - a rant and nothing more. If there's no written contract, MUPH can do whatever they think would be best for the girls and the pageant.


That's the reason why, these designers need to provide contract with organizations that they are talking too so they don't end up crying when their works are not going to be utilized afterwards. And part of that contract too that should be written, "Don't play games with me." Apparently, people of the world, the universe rather do. Just like Pia W. she played games very well at Miss U for all the people of the world, the universe rather to see and hear her answers. So as Olivia Jordan, her second runner up. Look at them back when they were whispering each other and only God knows what they were wishing for at that time.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby vinusya » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:33 pm

More slots for other and fresh fashion designers.
If everyone can be a beauty queen, what is hardwork?
Maybe there is no hardwork, only surgeries ?
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Postby Vuvusheila » Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:25 am

sige gawin kontroberzyal para makilala yung mga da who na mga designers na yan.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Prozac » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:10 am

esperasave wrote:
Prozac wrote:I am not really sure if the doctrine of "respondeat superior is applicable here. RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR IS A legal doctrine,
most commonly used in tort, that holds an employer or ORGANIZATION legally responsible for the wrongful acts of an employee
or agent,

The definition says wrongful act, it didn't include minor incidents like this one that don't involve endangering the life of
another person. But still, whether it is major or minor, the organization still has the responsibility of overseeing what is
going on inside the establishment which covers operation, planning, logistics, coordination, and structuring, and that
include handlers who may be operating or making decisions without the green light coming from THE HEAD HONCHO.

An example of respondeat superior is a janitors' negligence resulting in the customer sliding after the floor was mopped
in a grocery store. The person injured in the accident may be able to bring the janitor's employer, into the lawsuit. Another
classic example was the scalding of a customer in a popular coffee shop in America, resulting in the company paying
damages for burns.

Whatever the real story in this situation with designers, I still believe Miss Universe Philippines should scrutinize and eyeball
every activity and decision to avoid controversies not to mention verbal and internet bloodshed among fans and supporters.
The organization has the responsibility to protect its name and the people working in it as if the embers of the disputes
regarding vote-buying and the selection of the 30 candidates WAS NOT ENOUGH!


Well, it depends upon any given situations if respondent superior will be applicable. Like, if they signed waiver forms, disclaimer or contracts with all stipulations contained therein. An example for this in an instance, a janitor was so negligent in his or her job that caused injuries with someone. However, is the janitor a third party of the organization that is holding an employment contract with them. Mostly, janitors or janitress are agency based employment that their place of employment are not their direct employer. So, it's someone else respondent superior not theirs. Also with any kind of negligence, if it doesn't cause any injuries, you can't sue nobody. Like, a pharmacy forgot to recall any expired medicine but was taken by a customer. The customer can't sue them if nothing happens to him or her after taking the expired medicine. Subsequently, some negligence that wasn't intended to do harm or to happen is not legally bound for sanctions. Just like in the title of the thread, how can these designers sue a particular persons or entities, they didn't name names.


Espersave you have a typographical error.

Respondeat superior is Latin and to the uninformed, it means “that the master must answer” in Anglo-American common law,
the legal doctrine according to which an employer is responsible ...
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby esperasave » Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:44 am

Prozac wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Prozac wrote:I am not really sure if the doctrine of "respondeat superior is applicable here. RESPONDEAT SUPERIOR IS A legal doctrine,
most commonly used in tort, that holds an employer or ORGANIZATION legally responsible for the wrongful acts of an employee
or agent,

The definition says wrongful act, it didn't include minor incidents like this one that don't involve endangering the life of
another person. But still, whether it is major or minor, the organization still has the responsibility of overseeing what is
going on inside the establishment which covers operation, planning, logistics, coordination, and structuring, and that
include handlers who may be operating or making decisions without the green light coming from THE HEAD HONCHO.

An example of respondeat superior is a janitors' negligence resulting in the customer sliding after the floor was mopped
in a grocery store. The person injured in the accident may be able to bring the janitor's employer, into the lawsuit. Another
classic example was the scalding of a customer in a popular coffee shop in America, resulting in the company paying
damages for burns.

Whatever the real story in this situation with designers, I still believe Miss Universe Philippines should scrutinize and eyeball
every activity and decision to avoid controversies not to mention verbal and internet bloodshed among fans and supporters.
The organization has the responsibility to protect its name and the people working in it as if the embers of the disputes
regarding vote-buying and the selection of the 30 candidates WAS NOT ENOUGH!


Well, it depends upon any given situations if respondent superior will be applicable. Like, if they signed waiver forms, disclaimer or contracts with all stipulations contained therein. An example for this in an instance, a janitor was so negligent in his or her job that caused injuries with someone. However, is the janitor a third party of the organization that is holding an employment contract with them. Mostly, janitors or janitress are agency based employment that their place of employment are not their direct employer. So, it's someone else respondent superior not theirs. Also with any kind of negligence, if it doesn't cause any injuries, you can't sue nobody. Like, a pharmacy forgot to recall any expired medicine but was taken by a customer. The customer can't sue them if nothing happens to him or her after taking the expired medicine. Subsequently, some negligence that wasn't intended to do harm or to happen is not legally bound for sanctions. Just like in the title of the thread, how can these designers sue a particular persons or entities, they didn't name names.


Espersave you have a typographical error.

Respondeat superior is Latin and to the uninformed, it means “that the master must answer” in Anglo-American common law,
the legal doctrine according to which an employer is responsible ...


Miss, you don't have to define respondeat superior into the American lingo because it's so obvious of its definition already, as the word implies.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby ssyoki » Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:31 pm

Kaloka ang title ng thread very misleading :)>- :)>- :)>-

Hindi po MUPh ang binitawan ng mga designers kundi ang mga handlers ng mga merlat. Next time mag gawa kayo ng mga kasulatan para magdemandahan kayu-kayo :D/ :D/
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Matariki » Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:34 am

ssyoki wrote:Kaloka ang title ng thread very misleading :)>- :)>- :)>-

Hindi po MUPh ang binitawan ng mga designers kundi ang mga handlers ng mga merlat. Next time mag gawa kayo ng mga kasulatan para magdemandahan kayu-kayo :D/ :D/


Uhmmm taga saan ba ang mga handlers ng mga candidates? D ba taga Aces and Queens ?
Sino ba nagpapatakbo ng MUPh? D ba mga taga Aces and Queens din?
Wag na tayo maglokohan. Pare pareho lang ang mga ahas sa competition na to.
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby ssyoki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:16 am

Matariki wrote:
ssyoki wrote:Kaloka ang title ng thread very misleading :)>- :)>- :)>-

Hindi po MUPh ang binitawan ng mga designers kundi ang mga handlers ng mga merlat. Next time mag gawa kayo ng mga kasulatan para magdemandahan kayu-kayo :D/ :D/


Uhmmm taga saan ba ang mga handlers ng mga candidates? D ba taga Aces and Queens ?
Sino ba nagpapatakbo ng MUPh? D ba mga taga Aces and Queens din?
Wag na tayo maglokohan. Pare pareho lang ang mga ahas sa competition na to.


Saang fake school ka bag aral beks? Magkaiba yun at hindi Aces ang may ari ng franchise ng MUP. Kaloka lang ang IQ ng hamug na tohhh :-@
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby Matariki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:38 am

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ssyoki wrote:Kaloka ang title ng thread very misleading :)>- :)>- :)>-

Hindi po MUPh ang binitawan ng mga designers kundi ang mga handlers ng mga merlat. Next time mag gawa kayo ng mga kasulatan para magdemandahan kayu-kayo :D/ :D/


Uhmmm taga saan ba ang mga handlers ng mga candidates? D ba taga Aces and Queens ?
Sino ba nagpapatakbo ng MUPh? D ba mga taga Aces and Queens din?
Wag na tayo maglokohan. Pare pareho lang ang mga ahas sa competition na to.


Saang fake school ka bag aral beks? Magkaiba yun at hindi Aces ang may ari ng franchise ng MUP. Kaloka lang ang IQ ng hamug na tohhh :-@


Dahling I have a masters degree from a reputable university dito sa Australia.
Eh ikaw? Ano? Nganga?
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Re: Pinoy Designers Withdraw Support for Miss U Philippines

Postby ssyoki » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:44 pm

Matariki wrote:
ssyoki wrote:
Matariki wrote:
ssyoki wrote:Kaloka ang title ng thread very misleading :)>- :)>- :)>-

Hindi po MUPh ang binitawan ng mga designers kundi ang mga handlers ng mga merlat. Next time mag gawa kayo ng mga kasulatan para magdemandahan kayu-kayo :D/ :D/


Uhmmm taga saan ba ang mga handlers ng mga candidates? D ba taga Aces and Queens ?
Sino ba nagpapatakbo ng MUPh? D ba mga taga Aces and Queens din?
Wag na tayo maglokohan. Pare pareho lang ang mga ahas sa competition na to.


Saang fake school ka bag aral beks? Magkaiba yun at hindi Aces ang may ari ng franchise ng MUP. Kaloka lang ang IQ ng hamug na tohhh :-@


Dahling I have a masters degree from a reputable university dito sa Australia.
Eh ikaw? Ano? Nganga?


Kaloka, peg mo pa talaga ipahiya ang Australia? Anyway, hindi naman obvious na nag aral ka nga [-X
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