georgj16 wrote:I strongly disagree that it was the worst edition in terms of the top 10.
GlennLRehnan wrote:We have seen the last staging of Miss Universe. Too bad the pageant closed out without so much as a toot. Worst edition. And with one of the worst winners as well.
sophocles wrote:In my opinion, Zozi is the worst Miss Universe ever. The title should have gone to Puerto Rico.
samsie0104 wrote:sophocles wrote:In my opinion, Zozi is the worst Miss Universe ever. The title should have gone to Puerto Rico.
Iceland would have been a better winner if they wanted the black Girl Magic
The Duchess wrote:samsie0104 wrote:sophocles wrote:In my opinion, Zozi is the worst Miss Universe ever. The title should have gone to Puerto Rico.
Iceland would have been a better winner if they wanted the black Girl Magic
I still don't understand how they left Ireland out with one of the best platforms, was she the most beautiful? Not necessarily but its obvious it doesnt matter anymore and Ive seen worst preliminary choices.
The Duchess wrote:samsie0104 wrote:sophocles wrote:In my opinion, Zozi is the worst Miss Universe ever. The title should have gone to Puerto Rico.
Iceland would have been a better winner if they wanted the black Girl Magic
I still don't understand how they left Ireland out with one of the best platforms, was she the most beautiful? Not necessarily but its obvious it doesnt matter anymore and Ive seen worst preliminary choices.
samsie0104 wrote:sophocles wrote:In my opinion, Zozi is the worst Miss Universe ever. The title should have gone to Puerto Rico.
Iceland would have been a better winner if they wanted the black Girl Magic
AUSTIN III wrote:The same was said when Mpule won in 1999, with major favs Miss Puerto Rico, Venezuela, T&T being left out. 21 years later, no Miss Universe cannot outdo the legacy Mpule set, she's not active on instagram but her revolutionary work regarding health, agriculture, global leadership impacted so many young men and women. Zozi will be a boss woman like her I'm sure.
The thread-starter is mentioning about the lack of quality of top 10 and winner this year (production is indeed poor though), I was disagreeing with him how he describes quality.The Duchess wrote:AUSTIN III wrote:The same was said when Mpule won in 1999, with major favs Miss Puerto Rico, Venezuela, T&T being left out. 21 years later, no Miss Universe cannot outdo the legacy Mpule set, she's not active on instagram but her revolutionary work regarding health, agriculture, global leadership impacted so many young men and women. Zozi will be a boss woman like her I'm sure.
Advocacy legacy aside, most people still believe Mpule is not beautiful just saying. Nobody is denying the impact Zozi's advocacy and win has for not only black women but also non-traditional fans.
AUSTIN III wrote:The thread-starter is mentioning about the lack of quality of top 10 and winner this year (production is indeed poor though), I was disagreeing with him how he describes quality.The Duchess wrote:AUSTIN III wrote:The same was said when Mpule won in 1999, with major favs Miss Puerto Rico, Venezuela, T&T being left out. 21 years later, no Miss Universe cannot outdo the legacy Mpule set, she's not active on instagram but her revolutionary work regarding health, agriculture, global leadership impacted so many young men and women. Zozi will be a boss woman like her I'm sure.
Advocacy legacy aside, most people still believe Mpule is not beautiful just saying. Nobody is denying the impact Zozi's advocacy and win has for not only black women but also non-traditional fans.
Even with beauty aspect, the standards of beauty are always evolving, during medieval times, women without eyebrows and blue skin were considered beautiful, in eastern culture hairy woman, petite woman were considered beautiful in the early 20th century, would you agree with that in today's society in terms of beauty concept? Beauty norms are being created by representation in the media, during 90's and trump era, the glamazon beauties prevail, as women like Amelia Vega, Dayana Mendoza, Jennifer Hawkins fits the bill. These days you would notice beauty is more about relatability, thus women like Zozi,Toni Ann won.
It is only us pageant fans, who are very skeptical about superficial beauty and constantly criticizing that she's not pretty enough, hot enough, bashing her left and right on social media, whereas common folks are appreciating the direction pageants are taking these days.
If history taught us one thing, when someone breaks stereotype, the world uproars.
sophocles wrote:They call it Miss Universe because the title holder's beauty and attributes are universally appreciated, no matter the standard or measuring stick. If we have to wait 21 years to appreciate Zozi, she should have joined in 2041.
But Zozi's problem is not her physical beauty. She became Miss Universe because MUO was allegedly looking for a "spokesperson". Come to find out, she's the most reticent and inconsequential Miss Universe EVER.
I'm telling you, having an all-women panel of judges does not work. Especially when the women judges are insecure liberal know-it-alls who do not want anyone prettier than them. That's how you end up with winners like Miss USA 2019 and Zozi.
There was no reason for Zozi to win, especially when Miss Mexico and Miss Puerto Rico were standing right beside her, who were both regal, resplendent, and equally loquacious. Maybe they would have been more active and sensible in social media during the lockdown.AUSTIN III wrote:The thread-starter is mentioning about the lack of quality of top 10 and winner this year (production is indeed poor though), I was disagreeing with him how he describes quality.The Duchess wrote:AUSTIN III wrote:The same was said when Mpule won in 1999, with major favs Miss Puerto Rico, Venezuela, T&T being left out. 21 years later, no Miss Universe cannot outdo the legacy Mpule set, she's not active on instagram but her revolutionary work regarding health, agriculture, global leadership impacted so many young men and women. Zozi will be a boss woman like her I'm sure.
Advocacy legacy aside, most people still believe Mpule is not beautiful just saying. Nobody is denying the impact Zozi's advocacy and win has for not only black women but also non-traditional fans.
Even with beauty aspect, the standards of beauty are always evolving, during medieval times, women without eyebrows and blue skin were considered beautiful, in eastern culture hairy woman, petite woman were considered beautiful in the early 20th century, would you agree with that in today's society in terms of beauty concept? Beauty norms are being created by representation in the media, during 90's and trump era, the glamazon beauties prevail, as women like Amelia Vega, Dayana Mendoza, Jennifer Hawkins fits the bill. These days you would notice beauty is more about relatability, thus women like Zozi,Toni Ann won.
It is only us pageant fans, who are very skeptical about superficial beauty and constantly criticizing that she's not pretty enough, hot enough, bashing her left and right on social media, whereas common folks are appreciating the direction pageants are taking these days.
If history taught us one thing, when someone breaks stereotype, the world uproars.
poker_man wrote:Just because Zozi is not your cup of tea doesn't make her a bad winner. Pinoys and Puerto Ricans are definitely united in bashing her but I love how she has so much class and she knows that she doesn't need to please the fanatics.
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