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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:14 am

    

Handsama wrote:I understand that the idea of abortion is anathema to some very religious developing countries.

But about 2/3 of Americans favor abortion in some or all circumstances. So the MUO is with the majority here.


Even it is majority of Americans believe to have the right to ABORTION, but it's ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL NOW to have such by THE US SUPREME COURT. It feels me to have severe excruciating abdominal pain to be going back to this topic And those that doesn't follow the Law will be punished accordingly.


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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby Smile » Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:09 am

esperasave wrote:
Handsama wrote:I understand that the idea of abortion is anathema to some very religious developing countries.

But about 2/3 of Americans favor abortion in some or all circumstances. So the MUO is with the majority here.


Even it is majority of Americans believe to have the right to ABORTION, but it's ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL NOW to have such by THE US SUPREME COURT. It feels me to have severe excruciating abdominal pain to be going back to this topic And those that doesn't follow the Law will be punished accordingly.


Well, you're half right. It's now up to the states whether to ban abortion or not. Half the US states will keep abortion legal. So if you're a woman living in an anti-abortion state, you can simply travel and have an abortion in a state that allows it.

As for immoral, the Supreme Court cannot determine this so again, you're wrong.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:14 am

Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Handsama wrote:I understand that the idea of abortion is anathema to some very religious developing countries.

But about 2/3 of Americans favor abortion in some or all circumstances. So the MUO is with the majority here.


Even it is majority of Americans believe to have the right to ABORTION, but it's ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL NOW to have such by THE US SUPREME COURT. It feels me to have severe excruciating abdominal pain to be going back to this topic And those that doesn't follow the Law will be punished accordingly.


Well, you're half right. It's now up to the states whether to ban abortion or not. Half the US states will keep abortion legal. So if you're a woman living in an anti-abortion state, you can simply travel and have an abortion in a state that allows it.

As for immoral, the Supreme Court cannot determine this so again, you're wrong.


Abortion is a crime of moral turpitude. That means, you are immoral in legal terms if you in a way participate or undergo abortion.
What is considered as moral turpitude? A crime involving moral turpitude (CIMT) is a criminal or offensive act that can be defined as vile and/or insulting to one's moral compass. A crime of moral turpitude is a crime that disrespects and antagonizes societal norms. Typically, crimes involving moral turpitude are done with vicious, evil intent.

Moral Turpitude Examples:
Murder.
Voluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary manslaughter (in some cases)
Domestic violence.
Spousal abuse.
Child abuse.
Kidnapping.
Paternity fraud.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby Smile » Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:11 am

esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Handsama wrote:I understand that the idea of abortion is anathema to some very religious developing countries.

But about 2/3 of Americans favor abortion in some or all circumstances. So the MUO is with the majority here.


Even it is majority of Americans believe to have the right to ABORTION, but it's ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL NOW to have such by THE US SUPREME COURT. It feels me to have severe excruciating abdominal pain to be going back to this topic And those that doesn't follow the Law will be punished accordingly.


Well, you're half right. It's now up to the states whether to ban abortion or not. Half the US states will keep abortion legal. So if you're a woman living in an anti-abortion state, you can simply travel and have an abortion in a state that allows it.

As for immoral, the Supreme Court cannot determine this so again, you're wrong.


Abortion is a crime of moral turpitude. That means, you are immoral in legal terms if you in a way participate or undergo abortion.
What is considered as moral turpitude? A crime involving moral turpitude (CIMT) is a criminal or offensive act that can be defined as vile and/or insulting to one's moral compass. A crime of moral turpitude is a crime that disrespects and antagonizes societal norms. Typically, crimes involving moral turpitude are done with vicious, evil intent.

Moral Turpitude Examples:
Murder.
Voluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary manslaughter (in some cases)
Domestic violence.
Spousal abuse.
Child abuse.
Kidnapping.
Paternity fraud.


You're an idiot.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby drake_perez » Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:49 am

Yna Magenta wrote:birth control or contraception is healthcare 8-} :O)


Tell that to rape victims.
The audacity of these gays telling women they have no rights to their own bodies. LOL
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:53 am

Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Handsama wrote:I understand that the idea of abortion is anathema to some very religious developing countries.

But about 2/3 of Americans favor abortion in some or all circumstances. So the MUO is with the majority here.


Even it is majority of Americans believe to have the right to ABORTION, but it's ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL NOW to have such by THE US SUPREME COURT. It feels me to have severe excruciating abdominal pain to be going back to this topic And those that doesn't follow the Law will be punished accordingly.


Well, you're half right. It's now up to the states whether to ban abortion or not. Half the US states will keep abortion legal. So if you're a woman living in an anti-abortion state, you can simply travel and have an abortion in a state that allows it.

As for immoral, the Supreme Court cannot determine this so again, you're wrong.


Abortion is a crime of moral turpitude. That means, you are immoral in legal terms if you in a way participate or undergo abortion.
What is considered as moral turpitude? A crime involving moral turpitude (CIMT) is a criminal or offensive act that can be defined as vile and/or insulting to one's moral compass. A crime of moral turpitude is a crime that disrespects and antagonizes societal norms. Typically, crimes involving moral turpitude are done with vicious, evil intent.

Moral Turpitude Examples:
Murder.
Voluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary manslaughter (in some cases)
Domestic violence.
Spousal abuse.
Child abuse.
Kidnapping.
Paternity fraud.


You're an idiot.


You're pissed off because you can't win in an arguement whether in legal or moral aspects.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:56 am

drake_perez wrote:
Yna Magenta wrote:birth control or contraception is healthcare 8-} :O)


Tell that to rape victims.
The audacity of these gays telling women they have no rights to their own bodies. LOL


Even women who were raped, they are not allowed to have an abortion. The state can take over the child's care under The Department of Human Services when they are born if the girl or family refused to accept the baby. On the other hand, the perpetrator will be persecuted. That's the better way to handle situations in legal and moral standards set by the society. This is also the case with incest and medical anomalies but if the girl or woman is in grave danger medically, the doctor has to decide accordingly to terminate the pregnancy to save her life. It's acceptable in the society and to the Laws of Men that The expectant Mom has to live. If this is not happening, Prison sentence will be imposed to those who breaks the Law. Ignorance to Justice System excuses no one. It's already The Supreme Court who has decided to this matter for all of us to follow.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby ToiletPaper » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:28 am

drake_perez wrote:
Yna Magenta wrote:birth control or contraception is healthcare 8-} :O)


Tell that to rape victims.
The audacity of these gays telling women they have no rights to their own bodies. LOL


Why should we impose death penalty on the innocent baby for what his father did?
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby Smile » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:31 am

esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Handsama wrote:I understand that the idea of abortion is anathema to some very religious developing countries.

But about 2/3 of Americans favor abortion in some or all circumstances. So the MUO is with the majority here.


Even it is majority of Americans believe to have the right to ABORTION, but it's ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL NOW to have such by THE US SUPREME COURT. It feels me to have severe excruciating abdominal pain to be going back to this topic And those that doesn't follow the Law will be punished accordingly.


Well, you're half right. It's now up to the states whether to ban abortion or not. Half the US states will keep abortion legal. So if you're a woman living in an anti-abortion state, you can simply travel and have an abortion in a state that allows it.

As for immoral, the Supreme Court cannot determine this so again, you're wrong.


Abortion is a crime of moral turpitude. That means, you are immoral in legal terms if you in a way participate or undergo abortion.
What is considered as moral turpitude? A crime involving moral turpitude (CIMT) is a criminal or offensive act that can be defined as vile and/or insulting to one's moral compass. A crime of moral turpitude is a crime that disrespects and antagonizes societal norms. Typically, crimes involving moral turpitude are done with vicious, evil intent.

Moral Turpitude Examples:
Murder.
Voluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary manslaughter (in some cases)
Domestic violence.
Spousal abuse.
Child abuse.
Kidnapping.
Paternity fraud.


You're an idiot.


You're pissed off because you can't win in an arguement whether in legal or moral aspects.


No, it's the only way to respond to people like you. You do nothing to contribute to the advancement of humankind, except give birth to more stupid people.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:56 am

Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Handsama wrote:I understand that the idea of abortion is anathema to some very religious developing countries.

But about 2/3 of Americans favor abortion in some or all circumstances. So the MUO is with the majority here.


Even it is majority of Americans believe to have the right to ABORTION, but it's ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL NOW to have such by THE US SUPREME COURT. It feels me to have severe excruciating abdominal pain to be going back to this topic And those that doesn't follow the Law will be punished accordingly.


Well, you're half right. It's now up to the states whether to ban abortion or not. Half the US states will keep abortion legal. So if you're a woman living in an anti-abortion state, you can simply travel and have an abortion in a state that allows it.

As for immoral, the Supreme Court cannot determine this so again, you're wrong.


Abortion is a crime of moral turpitude. That means, you are immoral in legal terms if you in a way participate or undergo abortion.
What is considered as moral turpitude? A crime involving moral turpitude (CIMT) is a criminal or offensive act that can be defined as vile and/or insulting to one's moral compass. A crime of moral turpitude is a crime that disrespects and antagonizes societal norms. Typically, crimes involving moral turpitude are done with vicious, evil intent.

Moral Turpitude Examples:
Murder.
Voluntary manslaughter.
Involuntary manslaughter (in some cases)
Domestic violence.
Spousal abuse.
Child abuse.
Kidnapping.
Paternity fraud.


You're an idiot.


You're pissed off because you can't win in an arguement whether in legal or moral aspects.


No, it's the only way to respond to people like you. You do nothing to contribute to the advancement of humankind, except give birth to more stupid people.


GIVING BIRTH IS NOT STUPIDITY. ON THE OTHER HAND, I WAS 6TH IN THE FAMILY OF 8 CHILDREN OF MY PARENTS. BUT MY PARENTS NEVER PRACTICE ANY ABORTION SO THAT'S WHY I ENJOY THE GIFT OF LIFE GIVEN TO ME EVEN EVEN IF MY WHOLE FAMILY EXPERIENCED SO MUCH HARDSHIP IN BRINGING US TO ADULTHOOD BUT IT WAS A BETTER CHOICE TO KEEP US. IT WAS WORTH IT. NOTHING I COULD SAY MORE BUT GOODNESS AND THANKING TO GOD EACH DAY THAT WE LIVE.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby ToiletPaper » Fri Sep 30, 2022 4:59 am

Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
You're an idiot.


You're pissed off because you can't win in an arguement whether in legal or moral aspects.


No, it's the only way to respond to people like you. You do nothing to contribute to the advancement of humankind, except give birth to more stupid people.


the solution for stupidity is not getting rid of the person but education
The solution for unwanted pregnancy is not getting rid of the child’s life but adoption

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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby Smile » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:06 am

ToiletPaper wrote:
Smile wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Smile wrote:
You're an idiot.


You're pissed off because you can't win in an arguement whether in legal or moral aspects.


No, it's the only way to respond to people like you. You do nothing to contribute to the advancement of humankind, except give birth to more stupid people.


the solution for stupidity is not getting rid of the person but education
The solution for unwanted pregnancy is not getting rid of the child’s life but adoption

LOVE WINS, NOT PRIDE


And who's going to pay for all these unwanted children? Not to mention all the orphans whose mothers died giving birth to them because abortion is illegal in their state.

I love how you preach education but then suggest something that is totally irresponsible. So having an abortion is cruel but throwing unwanted kids in the foster care system and orphanages isn't. Don't be stupid.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby ToiletPaper » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:42 am

Smile wrote:
ToiletPaper wrote:
the solution for stupidity is not getting rid of the person but education
The solution for unwanted pregnancy is not getting rid of the child’s life but adoption

LOVE WINS, NOT PRIDE


And who's going to pay for all these unwanted children? Not to mention all the orphans whose mothers died giving birth to them because abortion is illegal in their state.

I love how you preach education but then suggest something that is totally irresponsible. So having an abortion is cruel but throwing unwanted kids in the foster care system and orphanages isn't. Don't be stupid.




Can you state why these women died?

Why do women die?
Women die as a result of complications during and following pregnancy and childbirth. Most of these complications develop during pregnancy and most are preventable or treatable. Other complications may exist before pregnancy but are worsened during pregnancy, especially if not managed as part of the woman’s care. The major complications that account for nearly 75% of all maternal deaths are (4):

severe bleeding (mostly bleeding after childbirth)
infections (usually after childbirth)
high blood pressure during pregnancy (pre-eclampsia and eclampsia)
complications from delivery
unsafe abortion.

Did they die because of the baby? NO! It’s the improper care during pregnancy.
Most maternal deaths are preventable, as the health-care solutions to prevent or manage complications are well known.
However, poor women in remote areas are the least likely to receive adequate health care.

Plus sis, do i really have to educate you regarding adoption? You just need to have a heart to understand that. Are you serious?
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby Smile » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:52 am

ToiletPaper wrote:
Smile wrote:
ToiletPaper wrote:
the solution for stupidity is not getting rid of the person but education
The solution for unwanted pregnancy is not getting rid of the child’s life but adoption

LOVE WINS, NOT PRIDE


And who's going to pay for all these unwanted children? Not to mention all the orphans whose mothers died giving birth to them because abortion is illegal in their state.

I love how you preach education but then suggest something that is totally irresponsible. So having an abortion is cruel but throwing unwanted kids in the foster care system and orphanages isn't. Don't be stupid.




Can you state why these women died?

Why do women die?
Women die as a result of complications during and following pregnancy and childbirth. Most of these complications develop during pregnancy and most are preventable or treatable. Other complications may exist before pregnancy but are worsened during pregnancy, especially if not managed as part of the woman’s care. The major complications that account for nearly 75% of all maternal deaths are (4):

severe bleeding (mostly bleeding after childbirth)
infections (usually after childbirth)
high blood pressure during pregnancy (pre-eclampsia and eclampsia)
complications from delivery
unsafe abortion.

Did they die because of the baby? NO! It’s the improper care during pregnancy.
Most maternal deaths are preventable, as the health-care solutions to prevent or manage complications are well known.
However, poor women in remote areas are the least likely to receive adequate health care.

Plus sis, do i really have to educate you regarding adoption? You just need to have a heart to understand that. Are you serious?


OMG, stop it. Don't you see how foolish you sound?
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby jhunz23 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:54 am

missomisteryoso wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
For those so "religious" in opposing abortion because it is against the commandment of god or the bible or their "faith",
Well let us look at your scripture shall we....

"Life begins at birth - with the first breath (Gen 2:7).
Fetuses are not persons (Ex 21:22-25).
Fetuses should be aborted as proof of adultery (Numbers 5:11-31).
Life is not sacred (Deuteronomy 28: 18-24).
God will rip open pregnant mothers-to-be (2 Kings 8:12).
Israelite King Menahem ripped open pregnant women (2 Kings 15:16).
God will kill unborn fetuses (Isaiah 13:18).
God will destroy fetuses in utero (Hosea 9:10-16).
God will dash infants in pieces and rip open pregnant women (Hosea 13:16).


Trying to convince people by twisting God's Words according to what you WANT them to believe? [-X


Not twisted
Read it yourself
or better yet, let us know that is the real context! That is the always excuse of the delusional believers. its taken out of context! lol! taken out of context my a$$!
You cannot just cherry pick you want it in the bible and SHOVE your beliefs of bronze aged religion to others, and judge them because of your misogynist & hypocritical religion !
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby jhunz23 » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:59 am

Jim_From_Boston wrote:
missomisteryoso wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
For those so "religious" in opposing abortion because it is against the commandment of god or the bible or their "faith",
Well let us look at your scripture shall we....

"Life begins at birth - with the first breath (Gen 2:7).
Fetuses are not persons (Ex 21:22-25).
Fetuses should be aborted as proof of adultery (Numbers 5:11-31).
Life is not sacred (Deuteronomy 28: 18-24).
God will rip open pregnant mothers-to-be (2 Kings 8:12).
Israelite King Menahem ripped open pregnant women (2 Kings 15:16).
God will kill unborn fetuses (Isaiah 13:18).
God will destroy fetuses in utero (Hosea 9:10-16).
God will dash infants in pieces and rip open pregnant women (Hosea 13:16).


Trying to convince people by twisting God's Words according to what you WANT them to believe? [-X


Amen! Folks will learn the hard way that twisting the Word of our Heavenly Father is extremely foolish and unwise. In no way does He support the slaughtering of His creation. Anyone who chooses to believe otherwise should prepare for a smoldering hot afterlife, as they’re clearly worshipping the wrong god. I say this in the mighty name of our lord, savior and hero Jesus Christ.

Thank you for sharing by the way!


Oh yes. The mythical jesus
Lord and savior? Did he stay dead? No, he just died less than 48 hours and boom he is alive. Like he knows the result of his death anyway, he knows he will going to live anyway.
You call that sacrifice? Duhh, maybe yes, if he stayed dead.
Those sacrifical thingy, came from much older religions. yours is not unique!
That is the flaw of christianity, they can do all sins they want and just ask jebus for forgiveness, no accountability, the reason that many of its priests/ ministers are perverts, pedophiles, sex maniac, money grabbers and corrupt.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:11 am

jhunz23 wrote:
Jim_From_Boston wrote:
missomisteryoso wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
For those so "religious" in opposing abortion because it is against the commandment of god or the bible or their "faith",
Well let us look at your scripture shall we....

"Life begins at birth - with the first breath (Gen 2:7).
Fetuses are not persons (Ex 21:22-25).
Fetuses should be aborted as proof of adultery (Numbers 5:11-31).
Life is not sacred (Deuteronomy 28: 18-24).
God will rip open pregnant mothers-to-be (2 Kings 8:12).
Israelite King Menahem ripped open pregnant women (2 Kings 15:16).
God will kill unborn fetuses (Isaiah 13:18).
God will destroy fetuses in utero (Hosea 9:10-16).
God will dash infants in pieces and rip open pregnant women (Hosea 13:16).


Trying to convince people by twisting God's Words according to what you WANT them to believe? [-X


Amen! Folks will learn the hard way that twisting the Word of our Heavenly Father is extremely foolish and unwise. In no way does He support the slaughtering of His creation. Anyone who chooses to believe otherwise should prepare for a smoldering hot afterlife, as they’re clearly worshipping the wrong god. I say this in the mighty name of our lord, savior and hero Jesus Christ.

Thank you for sharing by the way!


Oh yes. The mythical jesus
Lord and savior? Did he stay dead? No, he just died less than 48 hours and boom he is alive. Like he knows the result of his death anyway, he knows he will going to live anyway.
You call that sacrifice? Duhh, maybe yes, if he stayed dead.
Those sacrifical thingy, came from much older religions. yours is not unique!
That is the flaw of christianity, they can do all sins they want and just ask jebus for forgiveness, no accountability, the reason that many of its priests/ ministers are perverts, pedophiles, sex maniac, money grabbers and corrupt.


That's Black Propaganda or character assasination Against Some People without giving any factual proof, only smear campaign. If they really are, how come that Catholism has the most members throughout the world. Catholics wouldn't gain members throughout it's 3000 years of history if The Church Leaders are evil or wicked persons. I studied in Catholic School from kindergarten to College but I have never encountered one what you allegedly they are.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby ToiletPaper » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:12 am

jhunz23 wrote:
missomisteryoso wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
For those so "religious" in opposing abortion because it is against the commandment of god or the bible or their "faith",
Well let us look at your scripture shall we....

"Life begins at birth - with the first breath (Gen 2:7).
Fetuses are not persons (Ex 21:22-25).
Fetuses should be aborted as proof of adultery (Numbers 5:11-31).
Life is not sacred (Deuteronomy 28: 18-24).
God will rip open pregnant mothers-to-be (2 Kings 8:12).
Israelite King Menahem ripped open pregnant women (2 Kings 15:16).
God will kill unborn fetuses (Isaiah 13:18).
God will destroy fetuses in utero (Hosea 9:10-16).
God will dash infants in pieces and rip open pregnant women (Hosea 13:16).


Trying to convince people by twisting God's Words according to what you WANT them to believe? [-X


Not twisted
Read it yourself
or better yet, let us know that is the real context! That is the always excuse of the delusional believers. its taken out of context! lol! taken out of context my a$$!
You cannot just cherry pick you want it in the bible and SHOVE your beliefs of bronze aged religion to others, and judge them because of your misogynist & hypocritical religion !


Thank you for this information! I will add this to my study-list.

However regarding Genesis 2:7, I’ve just done a quick research.
here’s what I’ve found out...

The mother's placenta helps the baby "breathe" while it is growing in the womb. Oxygen and carbon dioxide flow through the blood in the placenta. Most of it goes to the heart and flows through the baby's body.

Therefore, based on the scientific research and the information you’ve given, Where does life really begin? Yes, with their first breath... no, not at birth... in the womb.

Although I agree with you that we cannot just shove other religious beliefs on others, and we really need to take time to analyze what is being preached to us and not hesitate to question everything.

Thank you for the Bible verses! Will take some time to read it.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:17 am

esperasave wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
Jim_From_Boston wrote:
missomisteryoso wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
For those so "religious" in opposing abortion because it is against the commandment of god or the bible or their "faith",
Well let us look at your scripture shall we....

"Life begins at birth - with the first breath (Gen 2:7).
Fetuses are not persons (Ex 21:22-25).
Fetuses should be aborted as proof of adultery (Numbers 5:11-31).
Life is not sacred (Deuteronomy 28: 18-24).
God will rip open pregnant mothers-to-be (2 Kings 8:12).
Israelite King Menahem ripped open pregnant women (2 Kings 15:16).
God will kill unborn fetuses (Isaiah 13:18).
God will destroy fetuses in utero (Hosea 9:10-16).
God will dash infants in pieces and rip open pregnant women (Hosea 13:16).


Trying to convince people by twisting God's Words according to what you WANT them to believe? [-X


Amen! Folks will learn the hard way that twisting the Word of our Heavenly Father is extremely foolish and unwise. In no way does He support the slaughtering of His creation. Anyone who chooses to believe otherwise should prepare for a smoldering hot afterlife, as they’re clearly worshipping the wrong god. I say this in the mighty name of our lord, savior and hero Jesus Christ.

Thank you for sharing by the way!


Oh yes. The mythical jesus
Lord and savior? Did he stay dead? No, he just died less than 48 hours and boom he is alive. Like he knows the result of his death anyway, he knows he will going to live anyway.
You call that sacrifice? Duhh, maybe yes, if he stayed dead.
Those sacrifical thingy, came from much older religions. yours is not unique!
That is the flaw of christianity, they can do all sins they want and just ask jebus for forgiveness, no accountability, the reason that many of its priests/ ministers are perverts, pedophiles, sex maniac, money grabbers and corrupt.


That's Black Propaganda or character assasination Against Some People without giving any factual proof, only smear campaign. If they really are, how come that Catholism has the most members throughout the world. Catholics wouldn't gain members throughout it's 3000 years of history if The Church Leaders are evil or wicked persons. I studied in Catholic School from kindergarten to College but I have never encountered one what you allegedly they are. Besides, you violated One commandment which is highly regarded no matter what Religion you belong, that is Putting God's Name in Vain. You can't do that. Its included in The Ten Commandment that everyone follows as a Guide to be morally good as A person in the community.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:26 am

ToiletPaper wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
missomisteryoso wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
For those so "religious" in opposing abortion because it is against the commandment of god or the bible or their "faith",
Well let us look at your scripture shall we....

"Life begins at birth - with the first breath (Gen 2:7).
Fetuses are not persons (Ex 21:22-25).
Fetuses should be aborted as proof of adultery (Numbers 5:11-31).
Life is not sacred (Deuteronomy 28: 18-24).
God will rip open pregnant mothers-to-be (2 Kings 8:12).
Israelite King Menahem ripped open pregnant women (2 Kings 15:16).
God will kill unborn fetuses (Isaiah 13:18).
God will destroy fetuses in utero (Hosea 9:10-16).
God will dash infants in pieces and rip open pregnant women (Hosea 13:16).


Trying to convince people by twisting God's Words according to what you WANT them to believe? [-X


Not twisted
Read it yourself
or better yet, let us know that is the real context! That is the always excuse of the delusional believers. its taken out of context! lol! taken out of context my a$$!
You cannot just cherry pick you want it in the bible and SHOVE your beliefs of bronze aged religion to others, and judge them because of your misogynist & hypocritical religion !


Thank you for this information! I will add this to my study-list.

However regarding Genesis 2:7, I’ve just done a quick research.
here’s what I’ve found out...

The mother's placenta helps the baby "breathe" while it is growing in the womb. Oxygen and carbon dioxide flow through the blood in the placenta. Most of it goes to the heart and flows through the baby's body.

Therefore, based on the scientific research and the information you’ve given, Where does life really begin? Yes, with their first breath... no, not at birth... in the womb.

Although I agree with you that we cannot just shove other religious beliefs on others, and we really need to take time to analyze what is being preached to us and not hesitate to question everything.

Thank you for the Bible verses! Will take some time to read it.


I know how to deliver babies because I'm in a medical field. Everytime inside The Delivery Room, All the People much more The Mom would have joys and smiles when The Baby Comes out from Thy Womb. It's always the case. Everyone would be focusing to make sure The Baby would be delivered uneventful then, when the baby comes in it's like New Year. Unlike, when I went to work in A Surgical Center that used to be An Abortion Clinic, Everything is Dark including The Hallways and The Rooms of The Patient has no window inside. It's a good sigh of relief when you get out of the building already because so see a good amount of light. It's very frightening especially when I found out about it. And I never went back to that place and I believe no one could last to work there.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby ToiletPaper » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:44 am

esperasave wrote:I know how to deliver babies because I'm in a medical field. Everytime inside The Delivery Room, All the People much more The Mom would have joys and smiles when The Baby Comes out from Thy Womb. It's always the case. Everyone would be focusing to make sure The Baby would be delivered uneventful then, when the baby comes in it's like New Year. Unlike, when I went to work in A Surgical Center that used to be An Abortion Clinic, Everything is Dark including The Hallways and The Rooms of The Patient that has no window inside. It's very frightening especially when I found out about it. And I never went back to that place and I believe no one could last to work there.


This made me reflect my own decisions in life. I wouldn’t want to be in that same dark place or situation. That’s why we really need to find solace on what’s right and what’s good.

There said to be women suffering from the consequences of abortion emotionally. It may seem to be the easiest escape, but the scars of it lasts a lifetime. It’s really devastating to hear such stories....
Imagine if that child was never aborted, it would be smiling, laughing, and enjoying the little things this world has to offer.
You wouldn’t be having feelings of loss, negativity, shame, etc.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby Yna Magenta » Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:43 am

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Yna Magenta wrote:birth control or contraception is healthcare 8-} :O)


Tell that to rape victims.
The audacity of these gays telling women they have no rights to their own bodies. LOL


which accounts 0.4% of women who underwent an abortion, granted, most people don't have a problem with abortion when an EXTREME case like this occurs 8-}

stop using the tragedy of some women to push for your nihilistic agenda :O)

and are you for mandatory shot and vax pass? :-O
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 5:28 pm

Yna Magenta wrote:
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Yna Magenta wrote:birth control or contraception is healthcare 8-} :O)


Tell that to rape victims.
The audacity of these gays telling women they have no rights to their own bodies. LOL


which accounts 0.4% of women who underwent an abortion, granted, most people don't have a problem with abortion when an EXTREME case like this occurs 8-}

stop using the tragedy of some women to push for your nihilistic agenda :O)

and are you for mandatory shot and vax pass? :-O


It's more tragic when you kill an unborn innocent child. Yes, mandatory to vax should be implemented or else you can't travel and it requires you to wear mask all the time. Besides, when it's pandemic everyone should follow strictly certain Rule like getting vaccinated. Other cases like Martial Law or World War, those situations are bad with CIVIL RIGHTS. They want to follow you The Authoritarian Rules or else you'll go to jail and the worst part, kill you.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby ToiletPaper » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:43 pm

jhunz23 wrote:
Oh yes. The mythical jesus
Lord and savior? Did he stay dead? No, he just died less than 48 hours and boom he is alive. Like he knows the result of his death anyway, he knows he will going to live anyway.
You call that sacrifice? Duhh, maybe yes, if he stayed dead.
Those sacrifical thingy, came from much older religions. yours is not unique!
That is the flaw of christianity, they can do all sins they want and just ask jebus for forgiveness, no accountability, the reason that many of its priests/ ministers are perverts, pedophiles, sex maniac, money grabbers and corrupt.


If you would study linguistics or biblical interpretation... you wouldn’t take a piece of verse and take it literally as it is...

Jesus, being alive could mean much deeper spiritual meaning.
Others have maintained that some parts of the Bible must be interpreted literally, and some figuratively....

If you study the Bible, didn’t you notice how Jesus would answer his critics, Saducees and Pharisees, with metaphors?
Just like how you wouldn’t reveal a secret or a mystery to your enemy... but His friends know more of Him, because they can be trusted with such information.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.... —Jesus
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 6:57 pm

ToiletPaper wrote:
jhunz23 wrote:
Oh yes. The mythical jesus
Lord and savior? Did he stay dead? No, he just died less than 48 hours and boom he is alive. Like he knows the result of his death anyway, he knows he will going to live anyway.
You call that sacrifice? Duhh, maybe yes, if he stayed dead.
Those sacrifical thingy, came from much older religions. yours is not unique!
That is the flaw of christianity, they can do all sins they want and just ask jebus for forgiveness, no accountability, the reason that many of its priests/ ministers are perverts, pedophiles, sex maniac, money grabbers and corrupt.


If you would study linguistics or biblical interpretation... you wouldn’t take a piece of verse and take it literally as it is...

Jesus, being alive could mean much deeper spiritual meaning.
Others have maintained that some parts of the Bible must be interpreted literally, and some figuratively....

If you study the Bible, didn’t you notice how Jesus would answer his critics, Saducees and Pharisees, with metaphors?
Just like how you wouldn’t reveal a secret or a mystery to your enemy... but His friends know more of Him, because they can be trusted with such information.

He who has ears to hear, let him hear.... —Jesus


THE BIBLE WORKS IN SOME MYSTERIOUS WAYS BUT IF YOU ARE A BIT CONFUSED OR IGNORANT ON SOME OF THE VERSES OR PHRASES, THE PRIEST COULD GIVE YOU MORE MEANING TO IT. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT IN THE BIBLE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD LIVE BY, IS NOT TO KILL NO ONE. EVEN THE DEATH PENALTY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LEADERS ARE STILL WORKING ON HOW TO FACE THAT ISSUE FAIRLY AND SQUARELY BUT SOON IT WOULD HAPPEN AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY. IT'S JUST UNTIL RIGHT NOW, THEY COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT YET THE RIGHT INGREDIENT OR FORMULA TO STRIKE IT PERFECTLY. THE CHURCH LEADERS DO UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE SO FRUSTATED ABOUT THIS ISSUE BUT GOD WILL WORK IT OUT IN HIS TIME.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby ToiletPaper » Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:28 pm

esperasave wrote:
THE BIBLE WORKS IN SOME MYSTERIOUS WAYS BUT IF YOU ARE A BIT CONFUSED OR IGNORANT ON SOME OF THE VERSES OR PHRASES, THE PRIEST COULD GIVE YOU MORE MEANING TO IT. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT IN THE BIBLE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD LIVE BY, IS NOT TO KILL NO ONE. EVEN THE DEATH PENALTY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LEADERS ARE STILL WORKING ON HOW TO FACE THAT ISSUE FAIRLY AND SQUARELY BUT SOON IT WOULD HAPPEN AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY. IT'S JUST UNTIL RIGHT NOW, THEY COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT YET THE RIGHT INGREDIENT OR FORMULA TO STRIKE IT PERFECTLY.


I think I know the stand of Jesus regarding death penalty.

He's full of mercy, grace, and compassion. For instance, He saved the life of an adulterous woman being stoned by the Jews...

Jesus suffered crucifixion so that we wouldn't have to suffer the same kind of hell— one of the most brutal torture... He ignited the start of revolution..... Because of it, the Roman Empire is overthrown... Whilst Him offering mercy for the sinners....

To those who are mocking the name of Jesus, you are also mocking the Greatest Martyr.... martyrs died so you can enjoy your liberty today and not have to face the injustice system of the past.

However, God is also called a man of war in the Revelation... This is the image of Him which I'm afraid of reading. Still, God is a good God.

"It is finished" –Jesus on the cross.... He's done his part, what is your part? There's much more to be done in this world... This made me reflect on what things I'm spending my time on...


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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:42 pm

ToiletPaper wrote:
esperasave wrote:
THE BIBLE WORKS IN SOME MYSTERIOUS WAYS BUT IF YOU ARE A BIT CONFUSED OR IGNORANT ON SOME OF THE VERSES OR PHRASES, THE PRIEST COULD GIVE YOU MORE MEANING TO IT. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT IN THE BIBLE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD LIVE BY, IS NOT TO KILL NO ONE. EVEN THE DEATH PENALTY, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LEADERS ARE STILL WORKING ON HOW TO FACE THAT ISSUE FAIRLY AND SQUARELY BUT SOON IT WOULD HAPPEN AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY. IT'S JUST UNTIL RIGHT NOW, THEY COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT YET THE RIGHT INGREDIENT OR FORMULA TO STRIKE IT PERFECTLY.


I think I know the stand of Jesus regarding death penalty.

He's full of mercy, grace, and compassion. For instance, He saved the life of an adulterous woman being stoned by the Jews...

Jesus suffered crucifixion so that we wouldn't have to suffer the same kind of hell— one of the most brutal torture... He ignited the start of revolution..... Because of it, the Roman Empire is overthrown... Whilst Him offering mercy for the sinners....

To those who are mocking the name of Jesus, you are also mocking the Greatest Martyr.... martyrs died so you can enjoy your liberty today and not have to face the injustice system of the past.

However, God is also called a man of war in the Revelation... This is the image of Him which I'm afraid of reading. Still, God is a good God.

"It is finished" –Jesus on the cross.... He's done his part, what is your part? There's much more to be done in this world... This made me reflect on what things I'm spending my time on...




It's not all the time that PAPA JESUS is graceful, merciful or compassionate. He could be violent and aggressive. In one incident that happened when PAPA JESUS caught some people who were gambling inside The House of God. PAPA Jesus got so upset and angry because of the shameless and disrespectful acts of the people. He threw the money, tables and other paraphernalia used for betting to the ground. Furthermore, it is just horrific and terrible how they could do such evil ways in the wrong place.
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Who would have thought that this pageant would be so desperate? No wonder why lesser Thai pageants make way more money now.

It won't be a surprise if Miss Universe will allow porn stars and only fans content creators to be contestants.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby Stoichio » Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:42 pm

ToiletPaper wrote:
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Yna Magenta wrote:birth control or contraception is healthcare 8-} :O)


Tell that to rape victims.
The audacity of these gays telling women they have no rights to their own bodies. LOL


Why should we impose death penalty on the innocent baby for what his father did?


It’s tantamount to telling a rapist or murderer’s son or daughter “Why should we let you live if your father was a criminal?”

All these should be blamed on the catholic church. There shouldn’t be an abortion if this sect is not saying that using contraceptives like pills, condoms is tantamount to killing/abortion. Catholic church has a big part why there is population explosion in the world now. Now, UN is trying its might to control it “BY ANY MEANS”.
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Re: MUO: Abortion is Healthcare

Postby esperasave » Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:37 pm

Stoichio wrote:
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drake_perez wrote:
Yna Magenta wrote:birth control or contraception is healthcare 8-} :O)


Tell that to rape victims.
The audacity of these gays telling women they have no rights to their own bodies. LOL


Why should we impose death penalty on the innocent baby for what his father did?


It’s tantamount to telling a rapist or murderer’s son or daughter “Why should we let you live if your father was a criminal?”

All these should be blamed on the catholic church. There shouldn’t be an abortion if this sect is not saying that using contraceptives like pills, condoms is tantamount to killing/abortion. Catholic church has a big part why there is population explosion in the world now. Now, UN is trying its might to control it “BY ANY MEANS”.


EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT CATHOLIC, EVERY WOMEN KNOWS IN ONE MONTH MENTRUAL CYCLE BECAUSE OF THE PRODUCTION OF PREGNANCY HORMONE IN HER SYSTEM THAT THERE WILL BE 3 CONSECUTIVE DAYS PREGNANCY WILL OCCUR IF SEXUAL INTERCOURSE HAPPENS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. IF THIS IS THE CASE, WHY WOULD A WOMAN DO THAT IF SHE IS NOT READY FOR FAMILY LIFE. ALSO, SHE COULD TELL HER HUSBAND TO ABSTAIN FROM SEXUAL INTERCOURSE UNTIL THAT 3 DAYS CYCLE IS DONE SO PREGNANCY WILL NOT OCCUR. SHE AND HER HUSBAND FROM THE START HAS A CHOICE. THEY HAVE A CHOICE TO ABSTAIN ONLY FOR 3 DAYS IN A MONTH. THE WOMAN WILL KNOW FROM HER BODY'S PHYSIOLOGICAL CHANGES THAT SHE IS FERTILE AND WILL GET PREGNANT.
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Western Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Chinese Zodiac: Ox
Hobbies/Interests: internet surfing
Message: Keep believing in the power of beauty in the human person

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