sophocles wrote:$120 million for the crown. Right there is your hint that this is a lie.
Ian Sebastin wrote:I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
aldoteng wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
I'm with you on this. 2012's top 3 was bad. Venezuela was spectacular and leaps ahead of the rest... until she flunked the Q&A. Australia and Brazil were good not great.
I would have never voted both Phils and USA that far.
Ian Sebastin wrote:Dang. We still got some bitter Filipino's that cannot accept beauty won in 2012? I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
They both benefited from a weak year.
Let it go. It has been almost a decade. Olivia won. She was the Miss Universe. Jean was not.
Olivia has hosted Miss Universe. She has appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Where is Jean? What has she done?
Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Dang. We still got some bitter Filipino's that cannot accept beauty won in 2012? I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
They both benefited from a weak year.
Let it go. It has been almost a decade. Olivia won. She was the Miss Universe. Jean was not.
Olivia has hosted Miss Universe. She has appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Where is Jean? What has she done?
Why are you hating on her just because you don't like Filipinos? In reality, I think Philippines is an exception in that they have the classiest, nicest and one of the most deserving queens even if the fans are unruly and annoying. Janine deserved to win that year. Like you said, it was a weak year.
Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Dang. We still got some bitter Filipino's that cannot accept beauty won in 2012? I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
They both benefited from a weak year.
Let it go. It has been almost a decade. Olivia won. She was the Miss Universe. Jean was not.
Olivia has hosted Miss Universe. She has appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Where is Jean? What has she done?
Why are you hating on her just because you don't like Filipinos? In reality, I think Philippines is an exception in that they have the classiest, nicest and one of the most deserving queens even if the fans are unruly and annoying. Janine deserved to win that year. Like you said, it was a weak year.
Janine did not deserve to win that year. That is why she did not win.
Filipino fans are the ones that make me dislike their queens. I mean just look at this post. Someone is still bitter about a crowning that happened a decade ago?
Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Dang. We still got some bitter Filipino's that cannot accept beauty won in 2012? I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
They both benefited from a weak year.
Let it go. It has been almost a decade. Olivia won. She was the Miss Universe. Jean was not.
Olivia has hosted Miss Universe. She has appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Where is Jean? What has she done?
Why are you hating on her just because you don't like Filipinos? In reality, I think Philippines is an exception in that they have the classiest, nicest and one of the most deserving queens even if the fans are unruly and annoying. Janine deserved to win that year. Like you said, it was a weak year.
Janine did not deserve to win that year. That is why she did not win.
Filipino fans are the ones that make me dislike their queens. I mean just look at this post. Someone is still bitter about a crowning that happened a decade ago?
Hello. It's just my opinion. I'm not bitter. I just Janine and Ara were outstanding, even so than Venus, Shamcey and the rest. Of course their beauty didn't play a factor but I don't endorse physical looks especially when the girl lacks performance and preparation like Olivia. I wonder what you think of Japan 2012.
Dear, the ''critiques'' you are recalling are probably just bashing that you see as ''critiques''.Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Dang. We still got some bitter Filipino's that cannot accept beauty won in 2012? I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
They both benefited from a weak year.
Let it go. It has been almost a decade. Olivia won. She was the Miss Universe. Jean was not.
Olivia has hosted Miss Universe. She has appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Where is Jean? What has she done?
Why are you hating on her just because you don't like Filipinos? In reality, I think Philippines is an exception in that they have the classiest, nicest and one of the most deserving queens even if the fans are unruly and annoying. Janine deserved to win that year. Like you said, it was a weak year.
Janine did not deserve to win that year. That is why she did not win.
Filipino fans are the ones that make me dislike their queens. I mean just look at this post. Someone is still bitter about a crowning that happened a decade ago?
Hello. It's just my opinion. I'm not bitter. I just Janine and Ara were outstanding, even so than Venus, Shamcey and the rest. Of course their beauty didn't play a factor but I don't endorse physical looks especially when the girl lacks performance and preparation like Olivia. I wonder what you think of Japan 2012.
People seem to forget it is a beauty pageant. The history of the pageant was about beauty. Beauty is subjective but at the end of the day the outer beauty is important. That is why I chose Olivia over Janine. Olivia was probably the worst girl in the top 16 in terms of walking and stage presence. My problem with Janine was not so much Janine herself but the rather the Filipino fans. It becomes really hard to access the girl when over the top fans consistently push their delegate in your face. Literally thread after thread of hype. It is over the top and ridiculous. When you make a critique you are hounded by disgruntled Filipino fans. When they lose then the fans come out with wild accusations about other nations.
I did not care for either girl that year but in the end I decided to choose the winner based on beauty. I just did not see Janine as Miss Universe material. That is not bullying. It is just my natural opinion.
And I don't remember Japan 2012.
Mariana Erwin wrote:Dear, the ''critiques'' you are recalling are probably just bashing that you see as ''critiques''.Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Dang. We still got some bitter Filipino's that cannot accept beauty won in 2012? I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
They both benefited from a weak year.
Let it go. It has been almost a decade. Olivia won. She was the Miss Universe. Jean was not.
Olivia has hosted Miss Universe. She has appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Where is Jean? What has she done?
Why are you hating on her just because you don't like Filipinos? In reality, I think Philippines is an exception in that they have the classiest, nicest and one of the most deserving queens even if the fans are unruly and annoying. Janine deserved to win that year. Like you said, it was a weak year.
Janine did not deserve to win that year. That is why she did not win.
Filipino fans are the ones that make me dislike their queens. I mean just look at this post. Someone is still bitter about a crowning that happened a decade ago?
Hello. It's just my opinion. I'm not bitter. I just Janine and Ara were outstanding, even so than Venus, Shamcey and the rest. Of course their beauty didn't play a factor but I don't endorse physical looks especially when the girl lacks performance and preparation like Olivia. I wonder what you think of Japan 2012.
People seem to forget it is a beauty pageant. The history of the pageant was about beauty. Beauty is subjective but at the end of the day the outer beauty is important. That is why I chose Olivia over Janine. Olivia was probably the worst girl in the top 16 in terms of walking and stage presence. My problem with Janine was not so much Janine herself but the rather the Filipino fans. It becomes really hard to access the girl when over the top fans consistently push their delegate in your face. Literally thread after thread of hype. It is over the top and ridiculous. When you make a critique you are hounded by disgruntled Filipino fans. When they lose then the fans come out with wild accusations about other nations.
I did not care for either girl that year but in the end I decided to choose the winner based on beauty. I just did not see Janine as Miss Universe material. That is not bullying. It is just my natural opinion.
And I don't remember Japan 2012.
Plus, Olivia deserved to win as well - although she could've done so much more. Your ''hatred'' for Olivia yet trying to trash down ''Jean'' (which is actually Janine) is not helpful at all. If your problem was the Filipino fans, you could've praised their contestant while calling out their actions. And dear, the women who compete in Miss Universe are obviously Miss Universe material. All the top five of that pageant deserved to be there.
And dear, Japan 2012 refers to Miss International 2012, Ikumi Yoshimatsu, who couldn't crown her own successor due to death threats; the organizers feared for her life and decided that she stay somewhere else for her safety during the pageant. She's doing well now, although back then, I was not a fan of her (which obviously does not mean I am going to bash her, since what is to bash in the first place, when she deserved to win too?). Still, she improved and has defined herself.
Mariana Erwin wrote:Dear, the ''critiques'' you are recalling are probably just bashing that you see as ''critiques''.Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Oma-san wrote:Ian Sebastin wrote:Dang. We still got some bitter Filipino's that cannot accept beauty won in 2012? I mean neither Olivia nor Jean had any business in that top 2. Olivia is pretty and she has the face for Universe, so I can at least make sense as to why she was in the final two. Jean? Now that is another story.
They both benefited from a weak year.
Let it go. It has been almost a decade. Olivia won. She was the Miss Universe. Jean was not.
Olivia has hosted Miss Universe. She has appeared in Sports Illustrated.
Where is Jean? What has she done?
Why are you hating on her just because you don't like Filipinos? In reality, I think Philippines is an exception in that they have the classiest, nicest and one of the most deserving queens even if the fans are unruly and annoying. Janine deserved to win that year. Like you said, it was a weak year.
Janine did not deserve to win that year. That is why she did not win.
Filipino fans are the ones that make me dislike their queens. I mean just look at this post. Someone is still bitter about a crowning that happened a decade ago?
Hello. It's just my opinion. I'm not bitter. I just Janine and Ara were outstanding, even so than Venus, Shamcey and the rest. Of course their beauty didn't play a factor but I don't endorse physical looks especially when the girl lacks performance and preparation like Olivia. I wonder what you think of Japan 2012.
People seem to forget it is a beauty pageant. The history of the pageant was about beauty. Beauty is subjective but at the end of the day the outer beauty is important. That is why I chose Olivia over Janine. Olivia was probably the worst girl in the top 16 in terms of walking and stage presence. My problem with Janine was not so much Janine herself but the rather the Filipino fans. It becomes really hard to access the girl when over the top fans consistently push their delegate in your face. Literally thread after thread of hype. It is over the top and ridiculous. When you make a critique you are hounded by disgruntled Filipino fans. When they lose then the fans come out with wild accusations about other nations.
I did not care for either girl that year but in the end I decided to choose the winner based on beauty. I just did not see Janine as Miss Universe material. That is not bullying. It is just my natural opinion.
And I don't remember Japan 2012.
Plus, Olivia deserved to win as well - although she could've done so much more. Your ''hatred'' for Olivia yet trying to trash down ''Jean'' (which is actually Janine) is not helpful at all. If your problem was the Filipino fans, you could've praised their contestant while calling out their actions. And dear, the women who compete in Miss Universe are obviously Miss Universe material. All the top five of that pageant deserved to be there.
And dear, Japan 2012 refers to Miss International 2012, Ikumi Yoshimatsu, who couldn't crown her own successor due to death threats; the organizers feared for her life and decided that she stay somewhere else for her safety during the pageant. She's doing well now, although back then, I was not a fan of her (which obviously does not mean I am going to bash her, since what is to bash in the first place, when she deserved to win too?). Still, she improved and has defined herself.
chellomellow wrote:Missosology giving Ian Sebastin a Superstar tag is an insult to me. He literally craves attention.
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