The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds





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The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Prozac » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:54 pm

    

I don't normally answer back when Indonesians are complaining about Filipino half-breds or Juan Halfs.
But this comment takes the cake for being the most sanctimonious with a holier-than-thou attitude. The
comment was full of venom, it is as though the guy was choking with hatred, rancor, and his anger almost
palpable.

I lifted this comment from one of the recent topics, and I have to reprint it because I discovered some new and
interesting facts that need to be shared. The irony of ironies, I want to savor the pleasure of turning the tables
upside down to this Indonesian accuser and let his accusations and his foul mouth boomerang to his face. This is his
complaints:

Capitella9 wrote:WE'RE PRETTIER AND PROUD. and DON"T RELY ON HALF BREED MIXED WHITE
GIRLS THAT LOOK NOTHING LIKE THE TYPICAL SHORT, DARK AND CHUBBY/FAT OR FLAT FILIPINA GIRLS.

ONLY A FEW OF OUR GIRLS WHO WENT TO COMPETE INTERNATIONALLY ARE MIXED; UNLIKE THE WHITE MASTER
WORSHIPPING PHILLIPPINES WHO ARE - ASS LICKING SERVANTS WHO CONTINUES TO WORSHIP THE WHITE RACE
AND PRETENDING THAT THEY'RE NOT ASIAN


Let me see if you are telling the truth, or you are just barking without checking your facts. As far as
my research was concerned, Indonesia had started sending half-bred candidates 2 decades back much
earlier than the time Catriona Gray and Pia Wurtzbach won their contests. So what do you say now
that I have debunked your allegations? If we are going to examine all contests from 2000 and up,
maybe this list will populate.

And please spare us that crap that Indonesia is a melting pot, because the Philippines is too. You
made the issue of half-breds in all your arguments which is supposed to be a NON ISSUE for us.

By the way, the reason that Indonesians are claiming they are sending 100 percent pure Indonesians to
all pageants is that almost all candidates bear Indonesian surnames, (except maybe for Fredericka
Alexis Cull) but if you are going to delve deeper, you will unearth a can of worms. Here is the partial list:

1. Felicia Hwang - Miss International 2nd Runner up - Chinese - Indonesian
2. Kevin Liliana - Miss International 2017 - Chinese Indonesian
3. Jolene Marie Cholock Rotinsulu - Miss International Indonesia 2019 - American Indonesian
4.Fredericka Alexis Cull - Miss Universe Indonesia 2019 Top Ten - Australian Indonesian
5. Badine Alexandra - Miss Universe Indonesia 2011 - English Indonesian
6. Alya Nurshabrina - Miss Indonesia World 2018 - Sudanese Indonesian
7. Achintya Holte Nilsen - Miss Indonesia World 2017 - Norwegian Indonesian
8 Astrid Yunadi - Miss Indonesia World 2011 - American Indonesian
9. Karenina Sunny Halim - Miss Indonesia World 2009 - American Indonesian
10. Sandra Amgelia - Miss Indonesia World 2008 - Chinese Indonesian
11. Kristania Virginia Besouw - Miss Indonesia World 2007 - American Indonesian
12,Belinda Pritasari- Miss Indonesia Earth 2015 - German Indonesian
13. Jihane Almira Chedid - Miss Indonesia Supranational 2020- Second Runner Up -Lebanese Indonesian
14. Jesica Fitriana Martasari- Miss Indonesia Supranational 2020 - Second Runner Up - Pakistani
Dutch Indonesian
15. Intan Aletrino -Miss Indonesia Supranational 2016 - Top Ten - Dutch Indonesian

We repeat we are not complaining about Indonesian mixed-breds. We even welcome them to join for
friendly competition and may the Best girl wins. Only Indonesians are making a mountain out of a mole
hill. The names appearing above are not being used to spite or retaliate, it was just a means to debunk
lies and falsehoods. And also fake news.

YOU CAN FOOL SOME PEOPLE IN SOME TIME ... BUT NOT ALL THE TIME. Now you can alight from your
high horse ... PRONTO! ORA MISMO!


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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby esperasave » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:04 pm

Why someone has to insinuate about half breed delegates since it's being allowed in the beauty pageant system. They even allowed to cross over a delegate in any countries that they hold citizenships with. I don't see any problem with that. A girl can be Miss Philippines in one beauty pageant then be Miss Canada in another competition. It had happened numerous times.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Prozac » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:10 pm

esperasave wrote:Why someone has to insinuate about half breed delegates since it's being allowed in the beauty pageant system. They even allowed to cross over a delegate in any countries that they hold citizenships with. I don't see any problem with that.


It is obvious. Our half-breds are second to none.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby prowazekii » Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:04 am

prefrred the like of ariela arida, janine tugonon

or any half breed na di dual citenzen
i think of Miss Universe who is the most beautiful, most femininely graceful, most charming, delightful and sweet...
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Prozac » Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:44 pm

My friend Jane called me by phone and she has strong views about the constant use of this narrative: She said:
"Why do our Asian neighbors have to single out the Philippines when half-breeds were sent as our delegates in
international pageants? Was it the country's fault that a mixed-blood auditioned for the contest, and they ended
up winning?

"Why don't they include South Africa, as we always expect being an African nation they will be fielding a black
representatives? But in the contrary, they send the same White prototypes and they always win. So why the double
standard and they play blind, deaf and mute when they emerged the winners? Even Namibia fielded Michelle McLean
in 1992 and she won. So where are these opinionated Indonesians to rally and defend their cause?

Even the powerhouse Venezuela. Not all their representatives are 100 Percent Latinos because they too have the
same "half-half auditionees who really stood out and became eventual winners. Monica Spears in Miss Universe 2005,Mariam
Habbach in Miss Universe 2015, Cynthia Lander in Miss Universe 2001. Marelissa Gibson in Miss Universe 2009, Martina Thorogood MW 1999, Veronica
Schneider in MW 1998, Christina Dieckmann in MW 1997,Consuelo Adler. Miriam Leyderman, Vanessa Holler, Cristina
Keutch, Marilyn Plessmann in MI, Alexandra Braun, Stephany Karina Zreik in Miss Earth, and the list goes on and on.

Do you want me to put a list of mixed-breeds in Puerto Rico, Colombia, and the USA? For three consecutive years, Thailand
fielded mixed pedigrees, Australia fielded two Asians in a row, even Japan sent a Black Japanese. And so where are
the uproar and the protest?

The point of the matter is the world is becoming a melting pot where one person from another country migrate to
another and cultural differences in the world is meld together as if they were metals being melted down to become
a stronger alloy. ... As immigrants came and go from all over the world, they brought pieces of their own culture with
them which makes every country diverse.

Let us welcome and embrace half-breeds in our pageantry midst. There is nothing special about them, except perhaps
that they were fortunate enough and they won. That makes other countries jealous and blames them for their failures.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby esperasave » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:44 pm

Prozac wrote:My friend Jane called me by phone and she has strong views about the constant use of this narrative: She said:
"Why do our Asian neighbors have to single out the Philippines when half-breeds were sent as our delegates in
international pageants? Was it the country's fault that a mixed-blood auditioned for the contest, and they ended
up winning?

"Why don't they include South Africa, as we always expect being an African nation they will be fielding a black
representatives? But in the contrary, they send the same White prototypes and they always win. So why the double
standard and they play blind, deaf and mute when they emerged the winners? Even Namibia fielded Michelle McLean
in 1992 and she won. So where are these opinionated Indonesians to rally and defend their cause?

Even the powerhouse Venezuela. Not all their representatives are 100 Percent Latinos because they too have the
same "half-half auditionees who really stood out and became eventual winners. Monica Spears in Miss Universe 2005,Mariam
Habbach in Miss Universe 2015, Cynthia Lander in Miss Universe 2001. Marelissa Gibson in Miss Universe 2009, Martina Thorogood MW 1999, Veronica
Schneider in MW 1998, Christina Dieckmann in MW 1997,Consuelo Adler. Miriam Leyderman, Vanessa Holler, Cristina
Keutch, Marilyn Plessmann in MI, Alexandra Braun, Stephany Karina Zreik in Miss Earth, and the list goes on and on.

Do you want me to put a list of mixed-breeds in Puerto Rico, Colombia, and the USA? For three consecutive years, Thailand
fielded mixed pedigrees, Australia fielded two Asians in a row, even Japan sent a Black Japanese. And so where are
the uproar and the protest?

The point of the matter is the world is becoming a melting pot where one person from another country migrate to
another and cultural differences in the world is meld together as if they were metals being melted down to become
a stronger alloy. ... As immigrants came and go from all over the world, they brought pieces of their own culture with
them which makes every country diverse.

Let us welcome and embrace half-breeds in our pageantry midst. There is nothing special about them, except perhaps
that they were fortunate enough and they won. That makes other countries jealous and blames them for their failures.


Even Miss USA, they are sending diverse candidates to Miss U. And now, Europeans like Great Britain, France, Iceland etc are bringing to Miss U non local European looking candidates. They are coming from elsewhere.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Prozac » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:54 am

esperasave wrote:
Prozac wrote:My friend Jane called me by phone and she has strong views about the constant use of this narrative: She said:
"Why do our Asian neighbors have to single out the Philippines when half-breeds were sent as our delegates in
international pageants? Was it the country's fault that a mixed-blood auditioned for the contest, and they ended
up winning?

"Why don't they include South Africa, as we always expect being an African nation they will be fielding a black
representatives? But in the contrary, they send the same White prototypes and they always win. So why the double
standard and they play blind, deaf and mute when they emerged the winners? Even Namibia fielded Michelle McLean
in 1992 and she won. So where are these opinionated Indonesians to rally and defend their cause?

Even the powerhouse Venezuela. Not all their representatives are 100 Percent Latinos because they too have the
same "half-half auditionees who really stood out and became eventual winners. Monica Spears in Miss Universe 2005,Mariam
Habbach in Miss Universe 2015, Cynthia Lander in Miss Universe 2001. Marelissa Gibson in Miss Universe 2009, Martina Thorogood MW 1999, Veronica
Schneider in MW 1998, Christina Dieckmann in MW 1997,Consuelo Adler. Miriam Leyderman, Vanessa Holler, Cristina
Keutch, Marilyn Plessmann in MI, Alexandra Braun, Stephany Karina Zreik in Miss Earth, and the list goes on and on.

Do you want me to put a list of mixed-breeds in Puerto Rico, Colombia, and the USA? For three consecutive years, Thailand
fielded mixed pedigrees, Australia fielded two Asians in a row, even Japan sent a Black Japanese. And so where are
the uproar and the protest?

The point of the matter is the world is becoming a melting pot where one person from another country migrate to
another and cultural differences in the world is meld together as if they were metals being melted down to become
a stronger alloy. ... As immigrants came and go from all over the world, they brought pieces of their own culture with
them which makes every country diverse.

Let us welcome and embrace half-breeds in our pageantry midst. There is nothing special about them, except perhaps
that they were fortunate enough and they won. That makes other countries jealous and blames them for their failures.


Even Miss USA, they are sending diverse candidates to Miss U. And now, Europeans like Great Britain, France, Iceland etc are bringing to Miss U non local European looking candidates. They are coming from elsewhere.



You hit the nail right on the head. BULLSEYE!
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Capitella9 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:44 am

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Let's get real here as you pulled Venezuela into your arguments LOL

Venezuela's population - 40% of them are with mostly white features, 20% with mostly black features and 10% with mostly Indians features), 45% are white, 2% are black and 1% Indians. In addition, according to a genetic autosomal DNA study conducted in 2008 by the University of Brasilia (UNB), the composition of the population of Venezuela is: 60.60% European, 23% of Native American contribution and 16% of Africa's contribution. Can you say the same thing about the Phillippines.

Same thing with Latin America, most of them are mestizos mixed with Europeans and natives and most of the Latin countries have a large and sizeable white European minority. Some countries has more than others. It's laughable for you to use these country as an example of your constant worshipping of mixed white girls. Your country can't even sniff past 4% mestizos.

The other countries seldom sends a super minority group to represent their countries in pageants. The USA has roughly 49 million blacks, representing 14% of America. Isn't this % far far greater then the mixed white race in the Philippines? Yet, America seldom crown blacks until the last decade and more now due to pollical pressure and the current political environment.

Other countries occasionally send a girls who's ethnicity is not a majority of the population. IT'S A FACT THAT THE PHILLIPPINES IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN PAGEANTRY THAT SENDS MIXED WHITE GIRLS TO PAGEANTS..... REPEATEDLY.... OVER AND OVER AGAIN; FOR A RACIAL GROUP THAT IS SUPER SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT TO THE COUNTRY'S OVERAL RACIAL MAKEUP. Just look at your country's pageants for decades, the majority of contestants (like 70%) of the girls are mixed with white or other western features. Majority of top 15 finishers in your country's pageants are mixed white girls.

The constant denials, the usual delusion is plain sickening. Time to start a WOKE culture in your country to confront this issue and start a Malay beauty movement.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby dismas » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:43 pm

“Your country can't even sniff past 4% mestizos.” Think again.

Applying physical anthropology, approximately 72.7% of Filipinos are Asian, 12.7% are classified as Hispanic (Latin-American Mestizos or Malay-Spanish Mestizos), 7.3% as indigenous American, 4.5% African, and 2.7% European— this is in accordance with a 2019 research conducted by Matthew Go, PhD (a forensic anthropologist) published in the Journal of Human Biology.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Prozac » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:32 pm

Capitella9 said: "Other countries occasionally send a girls who's ethnicity is not a majority of the population.IT'S A FACT THAT THE PHILLIPPINES IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN PAGEANTRY THAT SENDS MIXED WHITE GIRLS TO PAGEANTS..... REPEATEDLY.... OVER AND OVER AGAIN; FOR A RACIAL GROUP THAT IS SUPER SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT TO THE COUNTRY'S OVERAL RACIAL MAKEUP. Just look at your country's pageants for decades, the majority of contestants (like 70%) of the girls are mixed with white or other western features. Majority of top 15 finishers in your country's pageants are mixed white girls.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________

So what is really your problem with Filipino half breeds or Mixed White Girls? Is there some kind of racial anxiety
we smell in this thread?

Racial anxiety” is a newly coined term referring to a person who exhibits an increased level of grief and trepidation
when confronted with people of white derivative. Asians and people of color are worried that they will be the object
of bias and bigotry and that they will be treated unfairly. The whites also have that fear that they will be assumed to be
a prejudiced person, an extremist, or a supremacist

Constant drumbeating that the Philippines is sending half thorough breeds is not only foul but it reeks discriminatory
and racist overtones especially when they are being singled out and censured in public. And the issues they are fighting
are only directed to the Philippines and the rest of the countries that do the same are exempt from rebuke.

Can you imagine if we follow his advice and ban half breeds from joining, what happens to their basic and fundamental
rights? Are we going to follow him blindly knowing the Human Rights group will be knocking at our door? Do you think
those half breeds will not line the streets and protest for overreaching? And besides, there is no rule that prevents these
group from joining, not in Miss Universe, not in Miss World, and definitely not in Indonesia.

Lister to his words: .IT'S A FACT THAT THE PHILLIPPINES IS THE ONLY COUNTRY IN PAGEANTRY THAT SENDS MIXED WHITE
GIRLS TO PAGEANTS..... REPEATEDLY.... OVER AND OVER AGAIN; FOR A RACIAL GROUP THAT IS SUPER SMALL AND
INSIGNIFICANT TO THE COUNTRY'S OVERALL RACIAL MAKEUP.

Take note of the operative word ONLY because it defies honesty and truth in his pronouncement. How about South Africa sir?
Google said: Blacks comprised 80.2% of the South African population and the whites are only 8.4% And they keep send-
ing White Barbies in pageants who eventually won titles. And we haven't heard a word of protest from you, sir. Thailand is slowly
waking up and had smelled the coffee, that's three in a row in Miss Universe and they won the title in Miss Supranational.
By the time we knew it, they will have a massive campaign for Thai halfbreeds around the world and encourage them to
compete locally and be the country's representative. Shall we look in a different direction when they do that and say:
"spare the Thais, our object of ridicule is the Philippines?"

Do you want us to join forces with you and condemn them until they turned blue? But nay, Filipinos don't have Lactose
intolerance (intolerant to halfbreeds) in our veins? The fact of the matter is we repeatedly encourage everybody to join.
We are inclusive and our battle cry is diversity.

Let's make a pact. How about a crusade to encourage our mixed countrymen to go home and be our country's representative.
Get that megaphone and lure mixed Indonesians to return home and join Puteri Indonesia. And I will do the same.

But if you insist on spearheading A WOKE CULTURE as ONLY MALAYS MOVEMENT in your pageants, it is your choice. But
don't blame us if we won again. In Binibining Pilipinas, Maureen Montagne (a resident of Arizona chose to live in the
Philippines leaving a good life in America. Nobody has twisted her arm to make that decision. She was supposed to be
crowned Miss Eco International 2020 after Peru was dethroned but she was generous and magnanimous enough to give
it to our Malaysian friend. We chuckled at how Maureen let another crown go down the drain. Maureen now is threatening
to be the next Filipino Mixed breed to win a title.

You have to be flexible with your choice of queens. If Indonesia will sing the ONLY MALAY MOVEMENT refrain you have
placed yourself in a box and there no room for change or improvement or growth. Leave that fungus-laden mindset behind
and embrace change. Open your minds to new possibilities, but if you are stubborn and want to be imprisoned in strategies that
don't work, prepare yourself to be a habitual wallflower in any contest. And don't say we didn't tell or warn you.

ONE WORD IS ENOUGH FOR A WISE MAN. And with this ... I rest my case.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Smile » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:24 am

I feel that if a woman is a citizen of a country, she should be eligible to represent that country, regardless of her race or skin color.

Anything else is cheating. Case closed.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby DULCENEA » Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:00 pm

In short INDONESIANS are so envious and felt threatened when PHILIPPINES send halfies to international pageants they make big issues about it. As if they did not do the same thing or other nations as well but the different is they send halfies also but not as competitive as FILIPINAS are. And now why indo pageant pages in instagram they kept pushing FIFI to join pageant if they claiming 100% pure blooded indonesians they are sending. hahahahaha. WE already proven that we can reach top 5 eventhough we are sending PURE BLOODED filipina like MIRIAM QUIAMBAO- 1ST RUNNER UP MISS UNIVERSE 1999, JANINE TUGUNON- 1ST Miss Universe 2012, ARIELLA ARIDA- 3RD RUNNER UP Miss Universe 13, SHAMCEY SUPSUP- 3RD RUNNER UP Miss Universe 2011. We dont need to rely to halfies we rely because we are filipina a fighter and BEAUTIFUL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;))
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby beautywatchnyc » Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:05 pm


Outbound migration. Overseas employment destination. Inter-racial marriages. Porous geographical boundaries. Ease in international travel and legit communication platforms. Result: Mixed breed, fair-skinned Filipinas of mixed lineages who were born, raised and educated abroad yet opted Filipino citizenship as delineated by the Constitution of the country. The diaspora of 11M Filipinos dates back more than 50 years ago and bears witness to the phenomenon of "half-bred" younger generation of fair-skinned Filipinos.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby lingintexas » Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:51 am

The word half breed is so disgusting since it was meant for animals. As a Bi-racial person, it makes me sick to hear that word. I believe if you have a birthright in a country then represent regardless of your skin color, race or ethnicity.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby Smile » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:30 am

lingintexas wrote:The word half breed is so disgusting since it was meant for animals. As a Bi-racial person, it makes me sick to hear that word. I believe if you have a birthright in a country then represent regardless of your skin color, race or ethnicity.


It's a dated term that some still use because they don't know any better, though I do admit, I don't know anyone who still does, except on this site.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby beautywatchnyc » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:38 am

lingintexas wrote:The word half breed is so disgusting since it was meant for animals. As a Bi-racial person, it makes me sick to hear that word. I believe if you have a birthright in a country then represent regardless of your skin color, race or ethnicity.


"half-bred" enclosed in a parenthesis denotes a borrowed term. You have serious comprehension issues.
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby lingintexas » Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:48 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
lingintexas wrote:The word half breed is so disgusting since it was meant for animals. As a Bi-racial person, it makes me sick to hear that word. I believe if you have a birthright in a country then represent regardless of your skin color, race or ethnicity.


"half-bred" enclosed in a parenthesis denotes a borrowed term. You have serious comprehension issues.


Dude go away, you are a fucking stalker. You have an opinion on EVERYTHING and as usual, you are WRONG. What the f**k are you really talking about? See a coherent response above you nitwit
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby qwertyu » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:43 am

i cant believe some Indonesian trolls =;)) they are barking about bi-racial girls of other countries, when they have the likes of Nadine Chandrawinata, Tya Nielsen and Fredericka Cull 8-}

Thailand sent 3 halfies (Mareeya, Fahsai and Amanda) from the last 5 Miss Universe editions, and yet you dont hear anything from these Indonesians 8-}

lol dont mind those Indonesians. some of their fans are just so delusional =;))
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Re: The Nagging Issue About Half-Breds

Postby lesham » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:07 am

Half white Indonesians will never be as beautiful as their Thai and Filipino counterparts.

That's a given fact.
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