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An example of "historical revisionism/distortion"?

Postby ajsy0203 » Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:50 am

    



Some netizens claimed that Ariadna was the "real Miss Universe 2015" just because Steve Harvey announced it first and think that the first announcement of winner is final & irrevocable? Some people are still committing this type of "historical revisionism/distortion" in the world of pageants.


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Re: An example of "historical revisionism"?

Postby esperasave » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:35 pm

ajsy0203 wrote:

Some netizens claimed that Ariadna was the "real Miss Universe 2015" just because Steve Harvey announced it first and think that the first announcement of winner is final & irrevocable? Some people are still committing this type of "historical revisionism" in the world of pageants.


It happened to JAPAN AND GERMANY from Being AN AXIS TO ALLIED in World War 2. ALSO, FROM BEING SUPERPOWER IN WAR TO SUPERPOWER IN World ECONOMY AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS. ON THE OTHER HAND, IS THE PHILIPPINES WILL BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT'S COURSE OF HISTORY? Revision could only be achieved when you see a better change for a long term but not so sudden or abrupt. It's improbable to happen that quick. Likewise, what happened at Miss Universe 2015 between Pia and Adriana was just DRAMA OR PUBLIC STUNT.
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Re: An example of "historical revisionism"?

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Re: An example of "historical revisionism"?

Postby Mariana Erwin » Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:46 pm

To be honest, these things are made simply because they hate Pia Wurtzbach for so many reasons. And plus, they have to realize that announcements of something do allow for revisions later on if the said announced message no longer reflects the truth at the moment. If Colombia really wants to win their third crown, they should motivate Maria Fernanda, especially that she is the last Señorita Colombia to compete in Miss Universe.
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Re: An example of "historical revisionism"?

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:40 am

ajsy0203 wrote:

Some netizens claimed that Ariadna was the "real Miss Universe 2015" just because Steve Harvey announced it first and think that the first announcement of winner is final & irrevocable? Some people are still committing this type of "historical revisionism" in the world of pageants.


ajsy0203, I think this example falls under historical distortion rather than historical revisionism. To understand these
two terms they need to be defined separately and making examples is a must to drive home the meaning.

If we are going to listen to Krasner (2019), he defined historical revisionism as the reinterpretation of a historical account
or narrative based on actual facts and aforementioned evidence. The best example of this was Lapulapu and Magellan.
I used to hear my history teachers telling us that Lapulapu killed Magellan last March 16, 1521. Later studies found out
that somebody under Lapulapu's command did the killing. As we see, kudos to the historians and the evidence they accu-
mulate, past events that were ambiguous became crystal clear as they were clarified. This can be considered historical
revisionism.

While according to Cristobal (2019), historical distortion occurs when historical accounts or narratives are changed to suit
a personal agenda. It involves disinformation and lies to change history. I hope nobody will bash me for quoting the example
of one writer Joshua Corcuera about historical distortion and he mentioned the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos and how "he
was often praised by many of his loyalists to this day. Some of them spread misleading content and lies on social media.
One example of those lies is that the Marcoses did not steal from state coffers even though several court rulings, at home
and abroad, ruled otherwise."

"There is also clear and compelling evidence of human rights violations during the martial law years but many loyalists either
deny that this truly happened as they defend the Marcoses from blame. There are even bloggers on YouTube who contradict
historians when it comes to the controversies and atrocities committed by the Marcoses."

"Worse, many people believe in bloggers rather than historians when it comes to history. To me, they seem like severely ill
patients who believe more in the remedies suggested by quack doctors rather than licensed medical professionals. Obviously,
since lies and disinformation are involved, claiming that there were no human rights violations or corruption under Marcos’
martial law is a form of historical distortion."

In the case of Ariadna, if social media platforms such as Facebook and YouTube are being used and taken advantage of, to
spread disinformation in an attempt for powerful people to advance their interests... then it is historical distortion.
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Re: An example of "historical revisionism"?

Postby ajsy0203 » Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:22 am

Prozac wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:

Some netizens claimed that Ariadna was the "real Miss Universe 2015" just because Steve Harvey announced it first and think that the first announcement of winner is final & irrevocable? Some people are still committing this type of "historical revisionism" in the world of pageants.


ajsy0203, I think this example falls under historical distortion rather than historical revisionism. To understand these
two terms they need to be defined separately and making examples is a must to drive home the meaning.

If we are going to listen to Krasner (2019), he defined historical revisionism as the reinterpretation of a historical account
or narrative based on actual facts and aforementioned evidence. The best example of this was Lapulapu and Magellan.
I used to hear my history teachers telling us that Lapulapu killed Magellan last March 16, 1521. Later studies found out
that somebody under Lapulapu's command did the killing. As we see, kudos to the historians and the evidence they accu-
mulate, past events that were ambiguous became crystal clear as they were clarified. This can be considered historical
revisionism.

While according to Cristobal (2019), historical distortion occurs when historical accounts or narratives are changed to suit
a personal agenda. It involves disinformation and lies to change history. I hope nobody will bash me for quoting the example
of one writer Joshua Corcuera about historical distortion and he mentioned the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos and how "he
was often praised by many of his loyalists to this day. Some of them spread misleading content and lies on social media.
One example of those lies is that the Marcoses did not steal from state coffers even though several court rulings, at home
and abroad, ruled otherwise."

"There is also clear and compelling evidence of human rights violations during the martial law years but many loyalists either
deny that this truly happened as they defend the Marcoses from blame. There are even bloggers on YouTube who contradict
historians when it comes to the controversies and atrocities committed by the Marcoses."

"Worse, many people believe in bloggers rather than historians when it comes to history. To me, they seem like severely ill
patients who believe more in the remedies suggested by quack doctors rather than licensed medical professionals. Obviously,
since lies and disinformation are involved, claiming that there were no human rights violations or corruption under Marcos’
martial law is a form of historical distortion."

In the case of Ariadna, if social media platforms such as Facebook and YouTube are being used and taken advantage of, to
spread disinformation in an attempt for powerful people to advance their interests... then it is historical distortion.


Most of Colombians are still committing this historical distortion. Unfortunately all 4 judges voted for Pia and EY & MUO production staff stopped Ariadna from celebrating her short lived "victory".
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Re: An example of "historical revisionism"?

Postby Prozac » Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:49 pm

ajsy0203 wrote:
Prozac wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:

Some netizens claimed that Ariadna was the "real Miss Universe 2015" just because Steve Harvey announced it first and think that the first announcement of winner is final & irrevocable? Some people are still committing this type of "historical revisionism" in the world of pageants.


ajsy0203, I think this example falls under historical distortion rather than historical revisionism. To understand these
two terms they need to be defined separately and making examples is a must to drive home the meaning.

If we are going to listen to Krasner (2019), he defined historical revisionism as the reinterpretation of a historical account
or narrative based on actual facts and aforementioned evidence. The best example of this was Lapulapu and Magellan.
I used to hear my history teachers telling us that Lapulapu killed Magellan last March 16, 1521. Later studies found out
that somebody under Lapulapu's command did the killing. As we see, kudos to the historians and the evidence they accu-
mulate, past events that were ambiguous became crystal clear as they were clarified. This can be considered historical
revisionism.

While according to Cristobal (2019), historical distortion occurs when historical accounts or narratives are changed to suit
a personal agenda. It involves disinformation and lies to change history. I hope nobody will bash me for quoting the example
of one writer Joshua Corcuera about historical distortion and he mentioned the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos and how "he
was often praised by many of his loyalists to this day. Some of them spread misleading content and lies on social media.
One example of those lies is that the Marcoses did not steal from state coffers even though several court rulings, at home
and abroad, ruled otherwise."

"There is also clear and compelling evidence of human rights violations during the martial law years but many loyalists either
deny that this truly happened as they defend the Marcoses from blame. There are even bloggers on YouTube who contradict
historians when it comes to the controversies and atrocities committed by the Marcoses."

"Worse, many people believe in bloggers rather than historians when it comes to history. To me, they seem like severely ill
patients who believe more in the remedies suggested by quack doctors rather than licensed medical professionals. Obviously,
since lies and disinformation are involved, claiming that there were no human rights violations or corruption under Marcos’
martial law is a form of historical distortion."

In the case of Ariadna, if social media platforms such as Facebook and YouTube are being used and taken advantage of, to
spread disinformation in an attempt for powerful people to advance their interests... then it is historical distortion.


Most of Colombians are still committing this historical distortion. Unfortunately all 4 judges voted for Pia and EY & MUO production staff stopped Ariadna from celebrating her short lived "victory".


Thanks ajsy 0203. And while we are at it, there are still 2 terms we need to know while talking historical distortion and
historical revisionism. They are historical denial or historical negation which are both forms of historical distortion.

By itself, historical revisionism is “considered important and necessary, and must be done continually. Historical revisionism
is not a bad thing because many things need to be revised in the way that history is presented.

Historical denial or negation (according to one Inquirer writer) is when there is an effort to deny that there were thousands
killed during martial law, or there is a concerted attempt to repudiate that billions were stolen from the national coffers,
that’s denialism, that’s distortion,

One “outright lie, was the claim that the Marcos period was a “golden age for the Philippines” despite evidence to the contrary.

With regards to Ariadna, let them deny, negate and distort facts and history. People know better and after seven years they
should come to terms with it and move on. There are a lot of things more important to focus your energies ... not drown
or wallow in self pity and self-destruct!


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Re: An example of "historical revisionism"?

Postby esperasave » Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:03 pm

Prozac wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:
Prozac wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:

Some netizens claimed that Ariadna was the "real Miss Universe 2015" just because Steve Harvey announced it first and think that the first announcement of winner is final & irrevocable? Some people are still committing this type of "historical revisionism" in the world of pageants.


ajsy0203, I think this example falls under historical distortion rather than historical revisionism. To understand these
two terms they need to be defined separately and making examples is a must to drive home the meaning.

If we are going to listen to Krasner (2019), he defined historical revisionism as the reinterpretation of a historical account
or narrative based on actual facts and aforementioned evidence. The best example of this was Lapulapu and Magellan.
I used to hear my history teachers telling us that Lapulapu killed Magellan last March 16, 1521. Later studies found out
that somebody under Lapulapu's command did the killing. As we see, kudos to the historians and the evidence they accu-
mulate, past events that were ambiguous became crystal clear as they were clarified. This can be considered historical
revisionism.

While according to Cristobal (2019), historical distortion occurs when historical accounts or narratives are changed to suit
a personal agenda. It involves disinformation and lies to change history. I hope nobody will bash me for quoting the example
of one writer Joshua Corcuera about historical distortion and he mentioned the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos and how "he
was often praised by many of his loyalists to this day. Some of them spread misleading content and lies on social media.
One example of those lies is that the Marcoses did not steal from state coffers even though several court rulings, at home
and abroad, ruled otherwise."

"There is also clear and compelling evidence of human rights violations during the martial law years but many loyalists either
deny that this truly happened as they defend the Marcoses from blame. There are even bloggers on YouTube who contradict
historians when it comes to the controversies and atrocities committed by the Marcoses."

"Worse, many people believe in bloggers rather than historians when it comes to history. To me, they seem like severely ill
patients who believe more in the remedies suggested by quack doctors rather than licensed medical professionals. Obviously,
since lies and disinformation are involved, claiming that there were no human rights violations or corruption under Marcos’
martial law is a form of historical distortion."

In the case of Ariadna, if social media platforms such as Facebook and YouTube are being used and taken advantage of, to
spread disinformation in an attempt for powerful people to advance their interests... then it is historical distortion.


Most of Colombians are still committing this historical distortion. Unfortunately all 4 judges voted for Pia and EY & MUO production staff stopped Ariadna from celebrating her short lived "victory".


Thanks ajsy 0203. And while we are at it, there are still 2 terms we need to know while talking historical distortion and
historical revisionism. They are historical denial or historical negation which are both forms of historical distortion.

By itself, historical revisionism is “considered important and necessary, and must be done continually. Historical revisionism
is not a bad thing because many things need to be revised in the way that history is presented.

Historical denial or negation (according to one Inquirer writer) is when there is an effort to deny that there were thousands
killed during martial law, or there is a concerted attempt to repudiate that billions were stolen from the national coffers,
that’s denialism, that’s distortion,

One “outright lie, was the claim that the Marcos period was a “golden age for the Philippines” despite evidence to the contrary.

With regards to Ariadna, let them deny, negate and distort facts and history. People know better and after seven years they
should come to terms with it and move on. There are a lot of things more important to focus your energies ... not drown
or wallow in self pity and self-destruct!




History revisions could be achieved when there's lesson learned and good things come out afterwards. Let's take Japan and Germany as an example during World War 2 where millions of people had died and injured during the battle and fighting for several years. However, they had built their country to be progressive and shared their technological advancements to the world rather the universe so their course of history was on their side afterwards. But if there's a denial up against past video footage or real documentations, then history would stay as it happens today. AS BBM PROMISED WITH HIS PRESIDENCY THAT HE WILL NOT HURT ANY FELLOW FILIPINOS. On the other hand, eventhough that there was mixed up with winners at Miss Universe 2015, Pia W. handled her reign with dignity and respect throughout the duration so that's the most important thing that happened. She worked hard to show the World the Universe rather that She's INTELLECTUALLY BEAUTIFUL WITH A CONSCIENCE for whole year round in 2015. As I have said that eventhough something was broken but it was fixed eventually, all the wounds should be healed. AND IF ADRIANNA GUTIERREZ, MISS UNIVERSE FIRST RUNNER FOREVER HAD THE INTENTION TO SERVE THE WORLD, THE UNIVERSE RATHER, SHE COULD HAVE JOINED OTHER INTERNATIONAL PAGEANTS AFTERWARDS AND COULD EASILY WIN IT. PIA HAD TRIED 3 TIMES BEFORE SHE EVENTUALLY WON THE RIGHT TO REPRESENT THE PHILIPPINES AT MISS UNIVERSE STAGE.
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