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Postby abby_saatchi » Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:27 am

    

For the safety of everyone I say MW2013 should just be held in a different country.

Indonesian muslim extremists might do horrible things to the girls. :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%((


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Postby What_is_Beauty » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:26 am

I highly suggest MWO to move the contest to another non-muslim country for the safety of the girls! They are just not ready for beauty pageants! China would definately be capable of putting a great show without many preparations!
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Postby karissa » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:38 am

Can't they move it to another country? Miss World still have the time. It will be held in September and we are in the beginning of June.
I think Julia should have thought twice before she decided Indonesia.....Don't take me wrong I love that country and it's beauty is magical but maybe they aren't ready for it.
Thailand in other hand is a nice choice too and Philippines?
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Postby silly10 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:40 am

I GUESS MISS WORLD WILL BE BACK TO INNER MONGOLIA, CHINA.

ITS TOO RISKY TO HAVE THE PAGEANT AT INDONESIA.
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Postby tresure » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:02 pm

DO Y'ALL REMEMBER THE LONDON BOMBINGS ? OR BOSTON'S??

YOU CAN GET THREATHENED EVERYWHERE NOW......WORLD IS NOT A SAFE PLACE ANYMORE !


THE ONES WHO PUT THE MONEY ALWAYS WIN IN EVERY CASE...THAT'S HOW THIS WORLD RUNS ........I THINK INDONESIA WILL BE HOSTING NO MATTER WHAT BECAUSE JULIA HAS GOT HER MONEY ....


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Postby Kerishnie » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:58 pm

if the indonesian organizers can guarantee the safety of the girls and the foreign guest that will come to watch.. then its ok for them to be held there.
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Re: Indonesian Muslims vow to stop Miss World

Postby Canuck1986 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:06 pm

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Mess Whoreld is not even a pageant. They deserve this!.

I hope that there will be no host country this year. I hope that the National Directors will be awakened and drop the pathetic franchise.

This pageant will flop this year and will die soon.


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As if cleaning up the dirt in the Philippines under the name of ME is a better pageant..please..stop being a fucking pathetic nationalistic pinoy
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Postby irahhh » Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:25 pm

might as well move it to a different venue. Ordos or Sanya or Johannesburg or London?

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Postby Vivid » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:44 pm

Has anyone ever been to Indonesia here? I'm asking this especially to those who seem to have negative opinion abt Indonesia hosting this event. I don't know if it's a general feeling of hatred towards Islam and Indonesia having the biggest number of Muslim people or just lame jealousy... I just think that many of you don't know what Indonesia looks like don't know anything abt the culture or the people. You don't know that Islam just came in Indonesia very recently and that Indonesian Islam is influenced by local animism and layered previous religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism. It is a much more complex country than any other in Southeast Asia, diverse and rich: more languages, heritage, culture, ethnic groups spread in 17000 islands. It is a new democracy with a thriving civil society and an open public sphere where one can freely express itself. Economically, it has the 5th highest GDP per capita in SEA just behind Thailand and above Philippines. It has one of the most important middle class in Asia and is a member of the G20.
I'm sorry but many of you sound like uneducated and uncritical persons full of stereotypes who satisfy themselves with vulgarized ideas from the media... I think Miss W should be seen as a chance for a country like Indonesia to show that it is capable of hosting this kind of event (not everyone have to like it) even if it has to compromise on certain things. it is disappointing for many of us that there ain't gonna be bikinis this year but why can't people just wish for the best to happen and not the worst? Why being so negative?
Anyway thx for reading if you did, don't even know if people can be receptive to this anyway...
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Postby Adrian Klemann » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:50 am

you guys need to relax, and I'm wondering why some people here talk like they know Indonesia better than its native? and describing Indonesia like the home for extremist, really?

FYI Balinese more than ready to welcome Miss World contestants, how do I know? because I am Balinese, and I can feel the atmosphere when I go back to my home province. It's really sickening how people react negatively about this issue, Indonesia is the best place to host this pageant that's why we won the bidding last year.

no amount of rantings and immature complains can turn us down ;/))
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Postby Adrian Klemann » Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:53 am

Jaishee wrote:
If I am Julia, I would move the venue as soon as possible.


sweet Jesus, you ain't Morley >=p


What_is_Beauty wrote:I highly suggest MWO to move the contest to another non-muslim country for the safety of the girls! They are just not ready for beauty pageants! China would definately be capable of putting a great show without many preparations!


you should have said MW should be moved to your country instead, it would be a million times more logical for people like you ;,)
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Postby Adrian Klemann » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:01 am

Vivid wrote:Has anyone ever been to Indonesia here? I'm asking this especially to those who seem to have negative opinion abt Indonesia hosting this event. I don't know if it's a general feeling of hatred towards Islam and Indonesia having the biggest number of Muslim people or just lame jealousy... I just think that many of you don't know what Indonesia looks like don't know anything abt the culture or the people.


OMG you stole my words, yes I can feel the hatreds and jealousy, I'm not moslem but I feel bad for our moslem compatriots in this forum who reading this thread. the way people describing islam is really make me vomit. insensitive and clueless.


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Now I recalled the thread: it's entitled "Indonesia to Host Ms World & Ms U 2013" dated Jan 20th Sunday edition at Misso. The thread was penned by "jmgemini" and there was a heated debate as to the pros and the cons of Indonesia hosting the annual pageants respectively. It's most ardent respondent was a Adrian Klemman and Ms S. who were trying really hard to convince the readers that Indonesia can mount and host the pageants succeessfully.


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Postby kristof » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:11 am

Adrian Klemann wrote:
you guys need to relax, and I'm wondering why some people here talk like they know Indonesia better than its native? and describing Indonesia like the home for extremist, really?

FYI Balinese more than ready to welcome Miss World contestants, how do I know? because I am Balinese, and I can feel the atmosphere when I go back to my home province. It's really sickening how people react negatively about this issue, Indonesia is the best place to host this pageant that's why we won the bidding last year.

no amount of rantings and immature complains can turn us down ;/))


You have a point but you can't blame people for overreacting with some of the things we hear about everyday. The people in charge seem to have it under control, the press has a way of blowing thing out of proportion.
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Postby Adrian Klemann » Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:39 am

kristof wrote:
You have a point but you can't blame people for overreacting with some of the things we hear about everyday. The people in charge seem to have it under control, the press has a way of blowing thing out of proportion.


I know, but this sensationalized news is beyond me, I just can't understand why people being insensitive and clueless about some country and a religion. besides, we held national beauty pageants every year alright, and nobody has stopped beauty pageants here. so definitely I will stand for my country and my people on this issue.
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Postby oxymoroniac » Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:51 am

People here need to learn how to show respect for the beliefs and religion of others. If you know nothing about Indonesia and its culture, you'd better not say anything. #:-S
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Postby Smile » Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:42 am

The Indonesians of this board should not be offended simply because some here, myself included, are concerned for the girls' safety particularly when we're hearing about protests by right wings Muslim groups. All it takes is one lunatic to do damage.

I'm not at all familiar with the politics in Indonesia but a friend of mine who is told me today that the Indonesian government has become much more conservative in recent years and is heavily influenced by right wing political groups. The political climate there isn't as rosy as some here want us to believe.
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Postby Adrian Klemann » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:11 am

Smile wrote:The Indonesians of this board should not be offended simply because some here, myself included, are concerned for the girls' safety particularly when we're hearing about protests by right wings Muslim groups. All it takes is one lunatic to do damage.

I'm not at all familiar with the politics in Indonesia but a friend of mine who is told me today that the Indonesian government has become much more conservative in recent years and is heavily influenced by right wing political groups. The political climate there isn't as rosy as some here want us to believe.


Sorry to burst your bubble, I don't get offended by people here, I just want to get their fact straight and not parroting around, most people here just clueless about what really happens in my country, and your friend is wrong, there is no such a thing as right wing muslim groups influencing government since our country is not moslem dominated in political term.
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Postby sleuth08 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:52 am

HiddenSpice wrote:
Mess Whoreld is not even a pageant. They deserve this!.

I hope that there will be no host country this year. I hope that the National Directors will be awakened and drop the pathetic franchise.

This pageant will flop this year and will die soon.


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HiddenSpice wrote:
Mess Whoreld is not even a pageant. They deserve this!.

I hope that there will be no host country this year. I hope that the National Directors will be awakened and drop the pathetic franchise.

This pageant will flop this year and will die soon.


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As if cleaning up the dirt in the Philippines under the name of ME is a better pageant..please..stop being a fucking pathetic nationalistic pinoy




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Re: Indonesian Muslims vow to stop Miss World

Postby ventheprofessor » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:18 am

As an Indonesian, i really support this pageant.....whatever the controversy, i still believe that Miss World 2013 will be success...
and i hope the Islamic Organization will realize the meaning & the purpose of this event... [-X
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Postby ventheprofessor » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:22 am

Vivid wrote:Has anyone ever been to Indonesia here? I'm asking this especially to those who seem to have negative opinion abt Indonesia hosting this event. I don't know if it's a general feeling of hatred towards Islam and Indonesia having the biggest number of Muslim people or just lame jealousy... I just think that many of you don't know what Indonesia looks like don't know anything abt the culture or the people. You don't know that Islam just came in Indonesia very recently and that Indonesian Islam is influenced by local animism and layered previous religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism. It is a much more complex country than any other in Southeast Asia, diverse and rich: more languages, heritage, culture, ethnic groups spread in 17000 islands. It is a new democracy with a thriving civil society and an open public sphere where one can freely express itself. Economically, it has the 5th highest GDP per capita in SEA just behind Thailand and above Philippines. It has one of the most important middle class in Asia and is a member of the G20.
I'm sorry but many of you sound like uneducated and uncritical persons full of stereotypes who satisfy themselves with vulgarized ideas from the media... I think Miss W should be seen as a chance for a country like Indonesia to show that it is capable of hosting this kind of event (not everyone have to like it) even if it has to compromise on certain things. it is disappointing for many of us that there ain't gonna be bikinis this year but why can't people just wish for the best to happen and not the worst? Why being so negative?
Anyway thx for reading if you did, don't even know if people can be receptive to this anyway...


great comment..i really respect that u can "open minded" about my country
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abby_saatchi wrote:Indonesian muslim extremists might do horrible things to the girls. :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%((


that very same thing freaks me out A LOT. l woke up yesterday to this news and l was like WTF? Julia, you fat-ass cow you better do something asap because lndonesians do not want your pageant in their country. COME TO SPAIN GIRL, Eres mas que bienvenida, joder! XD
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Re: Indonesian Muslims vow to stop Miss World

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abby_saatchi wrote:Indonesian muslim extremists might do horrible things to the girls. :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%(( :%((


that very same thing freaks me out A LOT. l woke up yesterday to this news and l was like WTF? Julia, you fat-ass cow you better do something asap because lndonesians do not want your pageant in their country. COME TO SPAIN GIRL, Eres mas que bienvenida, joder! XD


LOL Spain can hardly held national competition for Miss Universe, the organizer files bankruptcy not so long time ago ;/))
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Postby ajsy0203 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:29 am

Mr International was held in Indonesia before without any controversy or protests but this a large scale beauty pageant that will put this country to the test if they can this successfully. If they held SEA games very successful why not this one or just a fear by the fans of a repeat in Nigeria 11 years ago?
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Postby Torres23 » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:32 am

I really want Miss World to be held in Indonesia but if the Indonesian Muslims keep doing this protests then it would be better if they moved the pageant to October and hosted in London :=p
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Postby sophocles » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:29 am

Vivid wrote:Has anyone ever been to Indonesia here? I'm asking this especially to those who seem to have negative opinion abt Indonesia hosting this event. I don't know if it's a general feeling of hatred towards Islam and Indonesia having the biggest number of Muslim people or just lame jealousy... I just think that many of you don't know what Indonesia looks like don't know anything abt the culture or the people. You don't know that Islam just came in Indonesia very recently and that Indonesian Islam is influenced by local animism and layered previous religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism. It is a much more complex country than any other in Southeast Asia, diverse and rich: more languages, heritage, culture, ethnic groups spread in 17000 islands. It is a new democracy with a thriving civil society and an open public sphere where one can freely express itself. Economically, it has the 5th highest GDP per capita in SEA just behind Thailand and above Philippines. It has one of the most important middle class in Asia and is a member of the G20.
I'm sorry but many of you sound like uneducated and uncritical persons full of stereotypes who satisfy themselves with vulgarized ideas from the media... I think Miss W should be seen as a chance for a country like Indonesia to show that it is capable of hosting this kind of event (not everyone have to like it) even if it has to compromise on certain things. it is disappointing for many of us that there ain't gonna be bikinis this year but why can't people just wish for the best to happen and not the worst? Why being so negative?
Anyway thx for reading if you did, don't even know if people can be receptive to this anyway...


I don't have to be a pig to know how it feels to lay in the mud. Oooops. I'm sorry for being politically incorrect. Muslims are repelled by the very idea of a pig.

This is exactly what is wrong with muslims in Indonesia. They want their religion to be above criticism, and yet, everytime I check they are quiet when their extremists threaten to blow up people because they are "too western". Why on earth did you bid to host the event in the first place? Muslim extremists in Indonesia threaten to dismantle Miss World "by force", and because of what this implies about everyone's (including the candidates') safety, we reacted. Instead of criticizing the muslim extremists in their midst who are thratening violence against the innocent, most of the Indonesians in this forum criticize the members for calling them out on their intellectual backwardness. Who cares if Indonesia is a member of G20, or if it is this or that or the other. The fact is, there is a vocal group in that country that is threatening to dismantle Miss World "by force". Who, in this day and age threatens to use force against a beauty pageant? Instead of being too defensive about Indonesia's place among the civilized countries in the world, why don't rational and peace-loving Indonesians rail against the muslim extremists in their country?
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Postby sophocles » Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:48 am

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You have a point but you can't blame people for overreacting with some of the things we hear about everyday. The people in charge seem to have it under control, the press has a way of blowing thing out of proportion.


I know, but this sensationalized news is beyond me, I just can't understand why people being insensitive and clueless about some country and a religion. besides, we held national beauty pageants every year alright, and nobody has stopped beauty pageants here. so definitely I will stand for my country and my people on this issue.


Oh yes, Indonesian muslim extremists threaten to use force to stop Miss World from happening, and people who are speaking out against this are "insensitive and clueless". If you want your country to be respected, you need to comport yourselves in a way that is deserving of respect. You guys cannot even push through with a Lady Gaga concert. I understand that Lady Gaga can be a bit raunchy, but come on, even the honored film, Schindler's List, was banned in Indonesia. I have no problem with the choices that you make as a country. If you do not want to welcome Lady Gaga, and if you want to censor films like Schindler's List, that is your choice. But why did you agree to host Miss World when you could not even defend it against your insane and violent extremists? It is not as if it came as a surprise to you that Miss World has a swimsuit portion, so why are you now demanding that the contestants wear a ridiculous sarong? I have not heard of anything more absurd. You might be Indonesian and muslim, but I am not, and thank God (whoever I conceive Him to be), I am not bound by your code of silence.
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