I think she is more interesting to look at than Hawaii and I know she will get hate if she wins, but I will not complain, I like her
keyss wrote:Contestants will have to do their own makeup and hair?
Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
Juan Sebastian wrote:The Duchess wrote:
So.... yeah....A black woman is going to win again, I guarantee you 100%, I knew they would capitalize off of Black Lives Matter and I was right. Miss Teen USA will probably be Black too and when Miss USA goes onto win Miss Universe in a few months like it is already pre-determined that will be the whole thing, how she won Miss Universe during a time where race relations are bad.
I am totally here for it if it's the right girl like New York. Also kind of here for they have to do makeup and hair themselves because it will help separate the strongest, so many of them will look like clowns though.
itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
Triana Browne was of Chickasaw descent and talked about it all night and got 2nd Runner Up, and the current Miss OK USA is of Native descent too (Choctaw). Oklahoma has the second-highest percentage of Native American people in the country, and they're a powerhouse too. Granted, neither of them are full-blooded Native American, but they're still proud of their heritage.
Natalie Mendoza wrote:The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
Even with the Latinas most of them are very Caucasian or black looking, I guess a Latina with a strong native look yet beautiful would be a good alternative.
itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
Triana Browne was of Chickasaw descent and talked about it all night and got 2nd Runner Up, and the current Miss OK USA is of Native descent too (Choctaw). Oklahoma has the second-highest percentage of Native American people in the country, and they're a powerhouse too. Granted, neither of them are full-blooded Native American, but they're still proud of their heritage.
itsrowdy801 wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:The Duchess wrote:
So.... yeah....A black woman is going to win again, I guarantee you 100%, I knew they would capitalize off of Black Lives Matter and I was right. Miss Teen USA will probably be Black too and when Miss USA goes onto win Miss Universe in a few months like it is already pre-determined that will be the whole thing, how she won Miss Universe during a time where race relations are bad.
I am totally here for it if it's the right girl like New York. Also kind of here for they have to do makeup and hair themselves because it will help separate the strongest, so many of them will look like clowns though.
Counterpoint -- Miss USA 2018 was all about the Me Too movement, but they didn't crown any of the contestants who talked about being a victim of sexual assault on stage or in the video package on the subject. Nothing's a done deal, everyone has a chance. If a black woman wins - that's awesome! but it'll be on her own merits.
Juan Sebastian wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:The Duchess wrote:
So.... yeah....A black woman is going to win again, I guarantee you 100%, I knew they would capitalize off of Black Lives Matter and I was right. Miss Teen USA will probably be Black too and when Miss USA goes onto win Miss Universe in a few months like it is already pre-determined that will be the whole thing, how she won Miss Universe during a time where race relations are bad.
I am totally here for it if it's the right girl like New York. Also kind of here for they have to do makeup and hair themselves because it will help separate the strongest, so many of them will look like clowns though.
Counterpoint -- Miss USA 2018 was all about the Me Too movement, but they didn't crown any of the contestants who talked about being a victim of sexual assault on stage or in the video package on the subject. Nothing's a done deal, everyone has a chance. If a black woman wins - that's awesome! but it'll be on her own merits.No, lets be realistic for a second, not everyone has a chance. It is a bit naïve to think that in my opinion, especially during a time like this. Do you realize how bad it would look socially if a white girl wins in the year of BLM, when they do lots of promo for it, after having 3 all Black titleholders, I see your point about Me Too but BLM has been way more explosive this year than Me Too was. And Miss USA needs to become relevant again so by capitalizing off of this would be the perfect way. Just saying.
The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
Even with the Latinas most of them are very Caucasian or black looking, I guess a Latina with a strong native look yet beautiful would be a good alternative.
Well I think a problem we have is that since Latinos are sometimes seen as a race, which we are not we are a mix of them, we tend to have this idea that Latinos should look a specific way. Depending on the country you may not even find people that have full on native look, colonialism sadly did its job in erasing a lot of Native from our DNA which in turn shows in our looks. For example in Puerto Rico, we have the largest amount of Taino DNA (our native americans) of the Antilles but sadly every year is harder and harder to find people that look Native. Specially when as opposed to other latin countries, Spanish DEMOLISHED the Taino given their calmer nature and of course you know... weapons. I WISH we had more native looking girls to showcase, I really wish.
The Duchess wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:Juan Sebastian wrote:The Duchess wrote:
So.... yeah....A black woman is going to win again, I guarantee you 100%, I knew they would capitalize off of Black Lives Matter and I was right. Miss Teen USA will probably be Black too and when Miss USA goes onto win Miss Universe in a few months like it is already pre-determined that will be the whole thing, how she won Miss Universe during a time where race relations are bad.
I am totally here for it if it's the right girl like New York. Also kind of here for they have to do makeup and hair themselves because it will help separate the strongest, so many of them will look like clowns though.
Counterpoint -- Miss USA 2018 was all about the Me Too movement, but they didn't crown any of the contestants who talked about being a victim of sexual assault on stage or in the video package on the subject. Nothing's a done deal, everyone has a chance. If a black woman wins - that's awesome! but it'll be on her own merits.No, lets be realistic for a second, not everyone has a chance. It is a bit naïve to think that in my opinion, especially during a time like this. Do you realize how bad it would look socially if a white girl wins in the year of BLM, when they do lots of promo for it, after having 3 all Black titleholders, I see your point about Me Too but BLM has been way more explosive this year than Me Too was. And Miss USA needs to become relevant again so by capitalizing off of this would be the perfect way. Just saying.
People think I'm crazy for saying that the moment Madison and Sofia, specially Madison, ended up in the Top 3 with Zozi they lost but I don't say that as a sore loser... I say that because I know how important optics are in the american media and society
If they want a Native Hawaiian to win, I think Hawaii is the best candidate for that criteria. I'm not sure but I think she is both African-American and Native Hawaiian (as far as I know).Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
Not really surprised, considering that they want to do the competition as safe as they can. I actually want the girls to do it on their own since they probably know it somehow much better. All I pray is that they are able to bring their best shot in the final night and no one withdraws or gets sick.The Duchess wrote:
So.... yeah....
Mariana Erwin wrote:If they want a Native Hawaiian to win, I think Hawaii is the best candidate for that criteria. I'm not sure but I think she is both African-American and Native Hawaiian (as far as I know).Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
For an African-American winner, I already like all of this year's candidates. This year's batch is the strongest since Alyssa and Olivia's, in my opinion - it's just that they are dealing with all of this.
Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
Mariana Erwin wrote:If they want a Native Hawaiian to win, I think Hawaii is the best candidate for that criteria. I'm not sure but I think she is both African-American and Native Hawaiian (as far as I know).Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
For an African-American winner, I already like all of this year's candidates. This year's batch is the strongest since Alyssa and Olivia's, in my opinion - it's just that they are dealing with all of this.
The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
Natalie Mendoza wrote:Mariana Erwin wrote:If they want a Native Hawaiian to win, I think Hawaii is the best candidate for that criteria. I'm not sure but I think she is both African-American and Native Hawaiian (as far as I know).Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
For an African-American winner, I already like all of this year's candidates. This year's batch is the strongest since Alyssa and Olivia's, in my opinion - it's just that they are dealing with all of this.
Hawaii is pretty whilst having native blood, but if I didn't know she is I wouldn't notice, I might be too judgmental I guess but I want a delegate that you would immediately say they are Hawaiian or Native American even if they are mixed but they should have prominent native features that would immediately identify them as such. A more authentic look would be nice for a change rather than the modern ambiguous mixed breeds or the usual races.
Natalie Mendoza wrote:itsrowdy801 wrote:The Duchess wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
I don't really think Native populations, with sadly all they have to endure, find participating in beauty pageants as a priority or something even feasible.
We could get a Latina Miss USA, we haven't had one since Susie Castillo (half-dominican/half-puertorrican) even tho some say Crystle Stewart was half puertorrican but I don't know about that. I think a Latina would be a refreshing change... and yes I am shamelessly pushing for OHIO because I really like her and she looks great in a ton of looks
Triana Browne was of Chickasaw descent and talked about it all night and got 2nd Runner Up, and the current Miss OK USA is of Native descent too (Choctaw). Oklahoma has the second-highest percentage of Native American people in the country, and they're a powerhouse too. Granted, neither of them are full-blooded Native American, but they're still proud of their heritage.
And a majority of them are only 1/8 native or 1/50 native lol. I really deslike the 'token status' mentality belittling the true culture of the natives. Likewise I'm wanting a native girl with a strong ethnic beauty not a 1/8 status claiming native whom probably knows very little about what it really means to be native american. America has been polarizing the natives this belittling needs to stop...
Queen of the Clouds wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
Oklahoma this year is Native American, she talked about it in her video. She's blonde haired and blue eyed but Native identity is more complex and I believe she's registered with a tribe. Because of history very few people are still 100% Native, most are mixed with other things, but most of those mixed race Natives still only identify with their Native heritage. This was the same case for North Carolina 2018, who was the first runner-up; she was Native mixed with white but her Native ancestry was all she knew about so that's what she identified as. Last year's Oklahoma was also Native, but mixed with black and I believe white ancestry too. I'm sure there are other girls too, mixed Native girls are not that uncommon in Miss USA.
Native Hawaiians are similar. A lot of people in Hawaii have some Native ancestry, but most of them are mixed with either white or Asian heritage too. I believe last year's Hawaii had partial Native Hawaiian ancestry, but she looked Asian and had an Asian name so nobody realized, but she talked about being Native. The queen Chelsea Hardin (Hawaii 2016; first runner-up) was mixed white, Asian, and Native Hawaiian; I think most Hawaiian titleholders have had some Native Hawaiian in them, Brook Lee (the only Hawaiian Miss Universe) was part Native too.
Natalie Mendoza wrote:Queen of the Clouds wrote:Natalie Mendoza wrote:it would be refreshing to see a native american or native hawaiian but like àlways no participations. Sad to see these cultures being washed away yet Americans love to claim diversity yet the true natives are are pushed to extinction or oblivion.
It seems its gonna be the usual white or black winner
Oklahoma this year is Native American, she talked about it in her video. She's blonde haired and blue eyed but Native identity is more complex and I believe she's registered with a tribe. Because of history very few people are still 100% Native, most are mixed with other things, but most of those mixed race Natives still only identify with their Native heritage. This was the same case for North Carolina 2018, who was the first runner-up; she was Native mixed with white but her Native ancestry was all she knew about so that's what she identified as. Last year's Oklahoma was also Native, but mixed with black and I believe white ancestry too. I'm sure there are other girls too, mixed Native girls are not that uncommon in Miss USA.
Native Hawaiians are similar. A lot of people in Hawaii have some Native ancestry, but most of them are mixed with either white or Asian heritage too. I believe last year's Hawaii had partial Native Hawaiian ancestry, but she looked Asian and had an Asian name so nobody realized, but she talked about being Native. The queen Chelsea Hardin (Hawaii 2016; first runner-up) was mixed white, Asian, and Native Hawaiian; I think most Hawaiian titleholders have had some Native Hawaiian in them, Brook Lee (the only Hawaiian Miss Universe) was part Native too.
It's good to know as it's very hard to identify the native contestants, but hopefully more can be done to encourage those with potential. Likewise it should all be about merit even if I want more native 'looking' faces, but more importantly I hope it doesn't take a 'trending' movement to facilitate change where a bunch of posers begin to 'care' about natives because it's in fashion to do so, a more authentic approach is much better, because for example its belittling to win a pageant only because of the token status rather than the total package itself.
Queen of the Clouds wrote:I did not expect the Massachusetts love at all. She's like bottom five on my list lol
Juan Sebastian wrote:Queen of the Clouds wrote:I did not expect the Massachusetts love at all. She's like bottom five on my list lol
I think she is stronger than District of Columbia who will also do very well and even Hawaii who is too youthful and too fresh for me. Massachusetts is more fierce and striking. But as I have said the only Miss Universe in this group is New York.
Also for the BLM topic, you may be right, but I will say if a non-Black girl wins, I will be shocked and I am never shocked when it comes to the MUO
Queen of the Clouds wrote:I did not expect the Massachusetts love at all. She's like bottom five on my list lol
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