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The Other Side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby Susie Minaj » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:46 am

    

“Proud to be Filipino!” “Pinoy Pride!” “Filipinos are the best!” “She’s Filipino!”

How many times have you seen these types of responses on any Youtube videos that showcase someone, who happens to be Filipino, doing something rather amusing?

Through my years of education and interaction with such diverse population here in the U.S., I can safely say that the strength of nationalism that Filipinos have is unbreakable. I do not have a strong Philippine Studies background so anyone is welcome to educate me on this. But based on what I’ve learned from books and articles; nationalism is strongly influenced by its history of colonialism. And this type of nationalism we see among Filipinos today is, in a sense, a form of retaliation from colonialism. For Filipinos (in my own analysis) being known to the whole world is a way for them to express this anti-colonialism mentality. That it is time for the Philippines to be known for something other than being a property of another country.
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This could explain why many Filipinos are into Pageants. They often hype their representatives and rejoice if they make it all the way. We all saw how they celebrated when Miss Philippines was called in the Miss Universe stage. I would not be surprised if Filipinos know who Gloria Diaz is and what she did the same way Americans remember President Richard Nixon. Beauty pageant is probably one of the few easiest ways to place the Philippines’ name on the world map. Unlike other domains, It doesn’t require spending a fair chunk of its national budget on building sports facilities like what other countries do to prepare their athletes for the Olympics. Fortunately, the Philippines does not seem prioritize doing well in the Olympics because it already has Manny Pacquiao, Boxing’s Third World Emperor and the Philippine’s modern day national hero.
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But something has been bothering me lately. Are Filipinos becoming too thirsty for any world recognition that they are now trying to own American Idol runner up, Jessica Sanchez the same way they own Manny Pacquiao? I can still remember how one of the sport announcers questioned whether or not it is already too much that the Philippines has been riding on Manny’s back before his fight with Bradley? Is it always about being Filipino before anything else?
It baffles me when I see something like this:
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Does she think Jessica owes the Philippines something? Are people forgetting the fact that she’s American?
and then we have this video:

How many times does Jessica Sanchez have to answer that she doesn’t know if she’s going to visit the Philippines? What do these Filipino reporters want to hear her say?
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Even an American swimmer and eleven-time Olympic medalists, Natalie Coughlin has been criticized before for choosing to represent the U.S. instead of the Philippines despite the fact that she’s only 25% Filipino.

And in the case of a Miss Universe Canada finalist, Kesiah Papasin who plagiarized her answer to an interview:
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Do you think being Filipino is enough of an excuse for this act I personally consider to be shameful? Should we celebrate instead?
Is it always going to be about being Filipino? Or is it just an act of ignorance? What do you think?


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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby touch_of_class » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:59 am


it is all about misplaced pride, too much media hype by media people who think they are know it alls, arrogant media people, corrupt politicians who says they are not corrupt but actually are, and ignorant people who thinks they are not LOL. What I am saying is, it is not the fault of the ordinary folks to believe these lies fed to them by self-righteous politicians, media with business interests, the communist leftists and so many opinionated pinoys with a myopic view of the world stage that convolutes and pollutes the ordinary filipino psyche. what the ordinary folks should focus more are not motivations but to be enterprising and to work hard for their own gain and not too much a consumer of entertainment. your points above are that filipinos are too engrossed with recognition esp by americans, which is very much true. and my point is, they were deceived by their do nothing politicians, media and various interest groups coupled by so many opinionated civilian fools and end result is a national disaster. and it shows with the diaspora. and poverty despite the so many propaganda too against it.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby Susie Minaj » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:06 am


touch_of_class wrote:it is all about misplaced pride, too much media hype by media people who think they are know it alls, arrogant media people, corrupt politicians who says they are not corrupt but actually are, and ignorant people who thinks they are not LOL. What I am saying is, it is not the fault of the ordinary folks to believe these lies fed to them by self-righteous politicians, media with business interests, the communist leftists and so many opinionated pinoys with a myopic view of the world stage that convolutes and pollutes the ordinary filipino psyche. what the ordinary folks should focus more are not motivations but to be enterprising and to work hard for their own gain and not too much a consumer of entertainment.


What lies do these self-righteous politicians, media with business interests etc feed these ordinary folks and how do these lies contribute to this misplaced pride? I am interested to know so please elaborate and provide examples if possible!
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

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SUPER AISH wrote:i agree miss pussy minaj!! :=p :=p :=p :=p


agree with what?
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby MISS COSMOPOLITAN » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:20 am


I myself is a proud Filipino but I think too much nationalism isn't good. Other nationalities could interpret it the other way which is very common here in Missosology.

I couldn't agree more with the Jessica Sanchez case. Yes, I am proud that she is half Filipina but everytime I watch the news about her constantly saying that she is half Filipina is quite too much. Everyone knows that and there's no need to repeat it all the time.

But too much nationalism doesn't happen only to Filipinos. I could understand the reason for this but I hope we should know our boundaries.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

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Susie Minaj wrote:
SUPER AISH wrote:i agree miss pussy minaj!! :=p :=p :=p :=p


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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby Susie Minaj » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:35 am


MISS COSMOPOLITAN wrote:I myself is a proud Filipino but I think too much nationalism isn't good. Other nationalities could interpret it the other way which is very common here in Missosology.

I couldn't agree more with the Jessica Sanchez case. Yes, I am proud that she is half Filipina but everytime I watch the news about her constantly saying that she is half Filipina is quite too much. Everyone knows that and there's no need to repeat it all the time.

But too much nationalism doesn't happen only to Filipinos. I could understand the reason for this but I hope we should know our boundaries.


Generally, too much of anything is not good.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby Susie Minaj » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:36 am


SUPER AISH wrote:
Susie Minaj wrote:
SUPER AISH wrote:i agree miss pussy minaj!! :=p :=p :=p :=p


agree with what?


opinion..thread..


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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby -=donnie=- » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:39 am


well most of your examples i think is more about ignorance.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby beautywatchnyc » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:50 am


As to your comment on beauty pageants, here's my take:

The Philippines is a pageant-obsessed country I know most foreign members in this forum despise Filipino pageants fans but to us Pinoys it is more of a “culture thing”. Perhaps it is in the way Filipinos exalt bravado, in ways they react to anything and everything related to beauty pageants. I think it's difficult for fans in other countries to understand how deeply Filipinos care about the placement of their beauty queens on the international level. To Filipinos, it is a reflection on our country. For Filipino pageant pundits, beauty pageants are one way in which the country can really distinguish itself, and winning pageants becomes a matter of national pride. Most Filipinos in the Philippines particularly the gay population watches the international pageants, and there is a tangible sense of shared elation among Filipinos when their candidate does well (and as well a profound disappointment when she doesn't.) It's a tremendous honor if the country wins a major title and a cause for shame and embarrassment if she does not. I trust pageant enthusiasts in other parts of the world take a time to understand the Filipino psyche as it relates to this bravado.

Foreign based forumers should take into account that a handful of crazy pageant Pinoy fanatics differs largely from the greater majority of decent Filipinos and do not represent the whole archipelago of 7107 islands.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby brixlaw » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:52 am


i would rather have this dark side of Pinoy pride than none at all .......
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby beautywatchnyc » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:05 am


It's not only the Filipinos who suffer from an "overdose" of extreme nationalistic fervor brought about by national honors as exemplified by their compatriots achievements, local or foreign-based. Nationalism is predominantly inherent among all other races. Look at the Vietnamese, the Thais, the Indians, the Japanese, and the Koreans. The have all made claims to national greatness one way or the other. But putting national pride aside, not all Filipinos are like that. Especially those who have traveled extensively and have seen and experienced how it was to live overseas and work with other nationalities in the workplace, the latter breed tends to be more internationalist in outlook and belief system and are not limited in their worldview and respect for other peoples' achievements outside of their own. I am embarrassed by these types and despise them in whichever form they come across as detestable. And these guys do not represent a nations of 7107 islands of 96 million population.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby Ric Galvez » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:23 am


This isn't dark. With nationalism, Britain colonized many countries, the Germans went Nazi, Russians go KGB. With nationalism, Turks went genocidal against Armenians, football turned into hooliganism. That's the dark side of nationalism. Let us Filipinos do our peaceful and harmless nationalism. And it is so sad how ignorant you are to call it dark
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby rainiel » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:39 am


it's actually hunger for recognition.
I also do not understand. If there is person succeeding or being recognized world wide, with a Filipino blood, it's just nice to know it, but to die and ever make a fuzz of it is really sickening.
sometimes even to a point that we filipinos mock other nationalities who we thought might have done something wrong to us Filipinos.
Another is when we Filipinos mock other natioanlities and when done to us, we reacted furiously like that one in Desperate Housewives.
Last year when Shamcey landed on 3rd RU, other politicians would like to reappeal the result because only Shamcey spoke in English in the q&a, how foolish can we filipinos get sometimes and it's a shame.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby rainiel » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:39 am


it's actually hunger for recognition.
I also do not understand. If there is person succeeding or being recognized world wide, with a Filipino blood, it's just nice to know it, but to die and ever make a fuzz of it is really sickening.
sometimes even to a point that we filipinos mock other nationalities who we thought might have done something wrong to us Filipinos.
Another is when we Filipinos mock other natioanlities and when done to us, we reacted furiously like that one in Desperate Housewives.
Last year when Shamcey landed on 3rd RU, other politicians would like to reappeal the result because only Shamcey spoke in English in the q&a, how foolish can we filipinos get sometimes and it's a shame.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby XAMURAI » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:44 am


Filipinos do not excel in a lot of things. Allow us to celebrate for a few of our achievements... they are the only ones we have.

But, I have to agree at a certain extent that there are overzealous fanatics who take things over the board.
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Postby keanurem » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:01 am


I can't understand why some nor many Filipinos arrogantly said: FILIPINO YAN! (Whenever one pinoy brought fame in our country.) I mean what if di siya nanalo for an instance, hindi siya pinoy? Tsaka lang ba saibihin na FILIPINO YAN kung ang isang pinoy ay nagbigay parangal sa bansa natin? Tapos kung natalo ang isang pinoy, puno ng panlalait! SEE? Bakit ganito ang ugali ng pinoy? I am outside of the Philippines for 8 years and pa-visit visit na lang ako jan but still ganun pa rin ang pananaw ko sa kapwa pinoy. =O/ =O/ =O/ =O/ =O/
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Postby SPITTING BANANA » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:05 am


Ric Galvez wrote:This isn't dark. With nationalism, Britain colonized many countries, the Germans went Nazi, Russians go KGB. With nationalism, Turks went genocidal against Armenians, football turned into hooliganism. That's the dark side of nationalism. Let us Filipinos do our peaceful and harmless nationalism. And it is so sad how ignorant you are to call it dark


I saw the news...just a couple of hours ago.



Euro 2012 violence among Polish and Russian fans could prompt changes by UEFA and FIFA

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer--euro-2012-polish-russian-fan-violence-uefa-fifa-investigate.html

The most widespread case of soccer hooliganism for more than two decades erupted between fans of Poland and Russia on Tuesday, and the incident has prompted the sport's two biggest governing bodies to order an investigation that may change the way major tournaments are organized.
In the hours leading up to a 1-1 draw between the two teams in Group A of Euro 2012, hundreds of fans fought bloody battles with fists, bottles and metal weapons on the streets of the Polish capital Warsaw, as riot police firing rubber bullets and releasing tear gas tried to keep them apart.
A series of factors combined to make this the highest-risk match of the championships in terms of fan violence, as highlighted by Yahoo! Sports on Monday, and unfortunately violence transpired. Although officials claimed only 10 people had been seriously injured, onlookers estimated that figure to be much lower than they observed.
The disgraceful scenes, the likes of which soccer hoped were a thing of the past, will prompt an immediate response from both UEFA (the European governing body that is organizing the tournament) and FIFA (the international overseer of all things soccer).
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby sugar&spice » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:16 am


MISS SUSIE MINAJ, DO YOU LIVE HERE IN THE STATES?

IF YOU DO, DO YOU SEE HOW SOME IMMIGRANTS HERE SHOW THEIR SO-CALLED "ULTRA" NATIONALISM TO THE DETRIMENT OF THIS EXCEPTIONAL NATION?

IT'S LIKE THEY CAME HERE IN AMERICA AND YET THEY EXPECT THIS COUNTRY TO ADAPT AND ASSIMILATE THEIR WAY OF LIFE...

AND NOW YOU'RE POINTING OUT THE SO-CALLED DARK SIDE OF FILIPINO NATIONALISM?

TO DESCRIBE IT AS BEING 'DARK"...

THAT'S AN EXTREMIST POINT OF VIEW. YOU DON'T KNOW THE TRUE SENTIMENTS AND FEELINGS OF THE "KABABAYANS" BACK IN "INANG BAYAN" AND THOSE WHO ARE LIVING ABROAD!!!
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Postby Kelly_Priestly » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:50 am


Maria Venus Raj..... 22......The Philippines ....and the stadium went berserk. I love Filipinos, they are the best fans in the Universe.
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby MALDITO » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:56 am


in my honest opinion, some filipino are just ignorant in terms of global recognition, why because majority of filipino when they heard that our fellow filipino was been lost in the competition they will say automatically na "nadaya" or "its cooked competition" they dont even think that the competition was made for every participants not for a single contestant only...
and only filipino around the world is so bashful from other nationalities, we are the traitor of our on country in terms of international arena....

anyway this is for those who are narrow-minded yet crab mentality personality of every single filipino who will read this.....masaktan pikon

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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby COCOronahan » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:05 am


Ric Galvez wrote:This isn't dark. With nationalism, Britain colonized many countries, the Germans went Nazi, Russians go KGB. With nationalism, Turks went genocidal against Armenians, football turned into hooliganism. That's the dark side of nationalism. Let us Filipinos do our peaceful and harmless nationalism. And it is so sad how ignorant you are to call it dark




Brilliant post Ric, brilliant.... =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


I really don't know why a lot of people are making a big fuss out of the PINOY PRIDE expressions we see everywhere... It's not like we're holding a dagger while saying it so to go as far as call it DARK SIDE of our nationalism is a bit of a stretch.... Only when reading PROUD PINOY comments on youtube causes death to someone will I agree to those jaded people's sentiments but even then, we must conduct a thorough investigation coz who knows... he/she just probably ate too much cheeseburgers. :-j
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby kurtij » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:30 am


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it is kinda annoying that we always relate everything with the philippines,,,
and when a particular thing/person has something to do about philippines,we overhype it and all that....
i believe every race do that but hey, ours is like a disease,,.....
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby Yuffie » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:24 pm


Nationalism is good but overpatriotism isn't.
YouTube is one the initial sites I go whenever I'm online and there are a LOT of Flips who comment "Proud to be Pinoy!" on every Jessica Sanchez video I watched. You know what I did? I flagged them as spam! >:)
It's not like Jessica's there on AI to represent the PHL or the Flips. Sure she has Filipino blood but posting "Proud to be Pinoy!" in every video is irrelevant. AI is a talent show, not Olympics. lol
As a fellow Filipino, I'm happy for Jessica for her achievements and that's all I want to say.
I'm putting the blame for this pathetic overpatriotism to the Philippine media. =O/ They always say "Filipinos are the best in the world" or something like that every freaking time. *cough* *cough* station 7. :finger:
Nationalism is good but we must know our limitations. =b
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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby caloy » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:28 pm


miss susie, i may agree with you on some points u raised...pero ano yang meron ka pang pa-dark side darkside na nalalaman...ano yan, horror film?!!...the nerve!!!

at bakit masyado mong sineseryoso ang mga lintanya ng mga pilipino na “Proud to be Filipino!” “Pinoy Pride!” “Filipinos are the best!”She’s Filipino!” ...for God's sake...LET THEM BE..because they are filipinos!!!! and as you said, you are being bothered lately..just a piece of advice...juast relax..chill..cge ka, ang puso mo..bka atakihin ka ateh...

and lastly, you also said, it was your own analysis..well and good...but miss susie, since your thread concerns society and social stucture..why not go to a sociologist?...a sociologist will definitely help you in your analysis as they focus primarily on refining the theoretical understanding of social processes.

and to the filipinos...cge lang sa mga litanyang...“Proud to be Filipino!” “Pinoy Pride!” “Filipinos are the best!”She’s Filipino!.... :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!!

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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby sexy_mel143 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:36 pm


caloy wrote:miss susie, i may agree with you on some points u raised...pero ano yang meron ka pang pa-dark side darkside na nalalaman...ano yan, horror film?!!...the nerve!!!

at bakit masyado mong sineseryoso ang mga lintanya ng mga pilipino na “Proud to be Filipino!” “Pinoy Pride!” “Filipinos are the best!”She’s Filipino!” ...for God's sake...LET THEM BE..because they are filipinos!!!! and as you said, you are being bothered lately..just a piece of advice...juast relax..chill..cge ka, ang puso mo..bka atakihin ka ateh...

and lastly, you also said, it was your own analysis..well and good...but miss susie, since your thread concerns society and social stucture..why not go to a sociologist?...a sociologist will definitely help you in your analysis as they focus primarily on refining the theoretical understanding of social processes.

and to the filipinos...cge lang sa mga litanyang...“Proud to be Filipino!” “Pinoy Pride!” “Filipinos are the best!”She’s Filipino!.... :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!! :!!

p.s. if in case you didn't tagalog...refer to a english-tagalog dictionary.... [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X


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Re: The Dark side of Filipino Nationalism by Susie Minaj

Postby HiddenSpice2 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:39 pm


touch_of_class wrote:it is all about misplaced pride, too much media hype by media people who think they are know it alls, arrogant media people, corrupt politicians who says they are not corrupt but actually are, and ignorant people who thinks they are not LOL. What I am saying is, it is not the fault of the ordinary folks to believe these lies fed to them by self-righteous politicians, media with business interests, the communist leftists and so many opinionated pinoys with a myopic view of the world stage that convolutes and pollutes the ordinary filipino psyche. what the ordinary folks should focus more are not motivations but to be enterprising and to work hard for their own gain and not too much a consumer of entertainment. your points above are that filipinos are too engrossed with recognition esp by americans, which is very much true. and my point is, they were deceived by their do nothing politicians, media and various interest groups coupled by so many opinionated civilian fools and end result is a national disaster. and it shows with the diaspora. and poverty despite the so many propaganda too against it.



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Anong sabi mo sakin? "Natatawa ako sa english mo, magtagalog nalang kc".
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