YOU GUYS EFFING DISGUST ME.....!!!

[zephyr]

Nothing against transgenders. They can do whatever they want to their bodies. But seeing them in a major beauty pageant for women will never happen. Maimai was correct when she said there are limits to everything. So somebody needs to organize a Miss Transgender Universe, World, Earth, etc.

[sugar&spice]

TRANSGENDERS= ...

NO MATTER WHAT!!!

[maimai]

Nothing against transgenders. They can do whatever they want to their bodies. But seeing them in a major beauty pageant for women will never happen. Maimai was correct when she said there are limits to everything. So somebody needs to organize a Miss Transgender Universe, World, Earth, etc.

[maimai]

TRANSGENDERS= ...

NO MATTER WHAT!!!

[song1]

i don't understand why transgender complains about inequality because there are pageant specifically for transgender people

[Palawanista]

it's funny that most trans want to have equality , acceptance and be respected , but we forgot to think that we are not the only people in the world who needs that. we should respect the femininity of biological women.the world is right because of rules and regulations otherwise it will be chaotic to live in.

Nicely said.

[maimai]

it's funny that most trans want to have equality , acceptance and be respected , but we forgot to think that we are not the only people in the world who needs that. we should respect the femininity of biological women.the world is right because of rules and regulations otherwise it will be chaotic to live in.

Nicely said.

thanks...

[Bremsstrahlung]

I think Maimai's argument sums it all up. Very well said.
The rules HAVE to be followed.
I believe this is not a case of discrimination.
(I'd like to give my thoughts on the matter as it's quite easy to be all sensitive and jump to conclusions.)

BTW, I absolutely have nothing against transgendered peeps., but I have to agree with their decision to boot Jenna out.

First and foremost, the rules have been clear from the beginning i.e. "Naturally-born female" ( with XX chromosomes )
Now IF Jenna was born to have an Ambiguous genitalia (a Rare condition in which external genitals don't appear to be clearly either male or female)... then they could file a complaint in court and actually WIN because scientifically speaking, 80% of these infants ARE raised as females. (In the medical field, infants with ambiguous genitalia are also raised and considered naturally-born females)
By the way, ambiguous genitalia ISN'T a disease.
So, unless you guys prove that she is really phenotypically female, (naturally born female) then she shouldn't be allowed to participate. Simple as that.

However if Miss Canada's rules state something like : Female or Anatomically Female, then they should probably allow Jenna to join.

My two cents.

And the Athena pics were definitely uncalled for,
THAT is discrimination.

[SANTI MENdbER]

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.......am so fed up of this topic... I hope a country crown a new girl soon to have something new to talk about....

[novemberRain]

Boys will always be boys no matter what.

[GlamRock]

I think Maimai's argument sums it all up. Very well said.
The rules HAVE to be followed.
I believe this is not a case of discrimination.
(I'd like to give my thoughts on the matter as it's quite easy to be all sensitive and jump to conclusions.)

BTW, I absolutely have nothing against transgendered peeps., but I have to agree with their decision to boot Jenna out.

First and foremost, the rules have been clear from the beginning i.e. "Naturally-born female" ( with XX chromosomes )
Now IF Jenna was born to have an Ambiguous genitalia (a Rare condition in which external genitals don't appear to be clearly either male or female)... then they could file a complaint in court and actually WIN because scientifically speaking, 80% of these infants ARE raised as females. (In the medical field, infants with ambiguous genitalia are also raised and considered naturally-born females)
By the way, ambiguous genitalia ISN'T a disease.
So, unless you guys prove that she is really phenotypically female, (naturally born female) then she shouldn't be allowed to participate. Simple as that.

However if Miss Canada's rules state something like : Female or Anatomically Female, then they should probably allow Jenna to join.

My two cents.

And the Athena pics were definitely uncalled for,
THAT is discrimination.

CHECK!
For me there's a perfect time and stage to celebrate the beauty of transgenders and women. Yes, there may be similarities BUT u can't deny they are still different. Be fair to women too as much as we respect gays and transgenders (at least here, where I live).

[Thomas876]

Imo, this isnt about discriminating or going against a transexual's rights but i think there's a pageant for everyone.

And i dont think the MUO will ever let transexuals compete because it'll probably affect the viewership.

Elodie Gossuin (Miss France 2001) was suspected to be a transsexual, Trump inquired her to go to the doctor but she refused and said that she wouldn't spread her thighs for them.

BRAVO OMA FOR YOUR POST. BUT IN ONE HAND, I STILL THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR OTHERS TO COMPETE IN MAJOR INTERNATIONAL PAGEANTS SINCE THEY ARE NOT REAL WOMEN. (they are but not born women) BUT I DON'T CARE IF THEY TAKE PART AT MISS UNIVERSE, WORLD OR WHATEVER! I WOULDN'T DISRESPECT THEM.

[maimai]

I think Maimai's argument sums it all up. Very well said.
The rules HAVE to be followed.
I believe this is not a case of discrimination.
(I'd like to give my thoughts on the matter as it's quite easy to be all sensitive and jump to conclusions.)

BTW, I absolutely have nothing against transgendered peeps., but I have to agree with their decision to boot Jenna out.

First and foremost, the rules have been clear from the beginning i.e. "Naturally-born female" ( with XX chromosomes )
Now IF Jenna was born to have an Ambiguous genitalia (a Rare condition in which external genitals don't appear to be clearly either male or female)... then they could file a complaint in court and actually WIN because scientifically speaking, 80% of these infants ARE raised as females. (In the medical field, infants with ambiguous genitalia are also raised and considered naturally-born females)
By the way, ambiguous genitalia ISN'T a disease.
So, unless you guys prove that she is really phenotypically female, (naturally born female) then she shouldn't be allowed to participate. Simple as that.

However if Miss Canada's rules state something like : Female or Anatomically Female, then they should probably allow Jenna to join.

My two cents.

And the Athena pics were definitely uncalled for,
THAT is discrimination.

[ssnape]

it's funny that most trans want to have equality , acceptance and be respected , but we forgot to think that we are not the only people in the world who needs that. we should respect the femininity of biological women.the world is right because of rules and regulations otherwise it will be chaotic to live in.

Wow. I actually agree with you. There are pageants for Transsexuals after all. They may join that. Miss Universe, along with other major pageants are for biological women and we just have to respect that. This isn't even about discrimination.

It's like letting Lucas Malvacini compete in Ms. Universe.

[maimai]

it's funny that most trans want to have equality , acceptance and be respected , but we forgot to think that we are not the only people in the world who needs that. we should respect the femininity of biological women.the world is right because of rules and regulations otherwise it will be chaotic to live in.

Wow. I actually agree with you. There are pageants for Transsexuals after all. They may join that. Miss Universe, along with other major pageants are for biological women and we just have to respect that. This isn't even about discrimination.

It's like letting Lucas Malvacini compete in Ms. Universe.

[maimai]

I agree with you 100% OMA! That case of the Canadian girl is discrimination at its best from every angle you look at it!!! So sad that we are living in this modern era but majority still have the traditional bullshit on their minds! This represents equality, I don't understand the fuss! Who cares if a woman wasn't really born a woman if she looks and is a 100% certified woman??? This is beyond ridiculous.

deary...people like you just makes the world complicated....be happy and accept yourself,be contented.if you feel like a woman so be it..if you looklike one....good for you....if your a post -op , congrats.....but not allowing you to join in MISS UNIVERSE.....does this make you any less of a woman? does this mean they're disrespecting you? i dont think so.... if you want a post-op ts to join in miss u...what will be next...a pre-op ts can join too? making ts a priest/nun? ....why cant you people just accept that there's limitations in everything.and that doesnt mean disrespecting and not giving equal rights!

...Wow!?... You really have the best perspective on this issue!... Keep it up, gurl!...

thanks mao...wow so good to see you again here...how are you? miss you lots...

[TissuePaper]

her nips is so hot even shes tranny aaaaaaaaaa

[DivabyNature]

Do you think Chaz Bono should be allowed to participate in any male contest?

Yes, absolutely!

[DivabyNature]

Imo, this isnt about discriminating or going against a transexual's rights but i think there's a pageant for everyone.

And i dont think the MUO will ever let transexuals compete because it'll probably affect the viewership.

For you to say the above, it's obvious that you have no clue of what discrimination, civil rights, human rights, equality, and laws are all about. Don't turn the page until you have read and understand it thoroughly.

MUO may or may not allow transsexuals in their turf, but the utlimate decision will be given down by a court of law, not court of public opinions. Or just pay up as in "hash money."

[DivabyNature]

How about female to male trangenders, they should be allowed to join Mr. World or Mr. International...

Why not?

HELL NOOOOOOO

I never expect, though it happens, that discrimination comes from a minority group, a gay boy.

[Eddie]

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Same here ... it's getting so predictable.

[JEANP]

What do these women all have in common?








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They were all BORN in the WRONG BODY.
Yet according to some of you guys, they are not considered women.
I know that I cannot convince all of yall but if you consider any of the women above beautiful, then why can they not participate in a beauty pageant?
I understand the morals, legalities and the controversies that would result from transsexuals competing in beauty pageants.
Especially since they are not considered "women" in many countries.
But how could some of you, who are in the LGBT community not consdier these people women?
Don't we all fight for the same rights?
It disgusts me when I see a gay man insult a transsexual, just like some of yall did with Jenna.
As if "cutting your dick off" is all it takes to become a transsexual. As if it's really that "easy".
How ignorant some of you guys sounds.
The beauty of women come in all forms, why can't we just respect it?

well speaking OMA i'm with you.

they are all born male?

[OMA]

What do these women all have in common?








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They were all BORN in the WRONG BODY.
Yet according to some of you guys, they are not considered women.
I know that I cannot convince all of yall but if you consider any of the women above beautiful, then why can they not participate in a beauty pageant?
I understand the morals, legalities and the controversies that would result from transsexuals competing in beauty pageants.
Especially since they are not considered "women" in many countries.
But how could some of you, who are in the LGBT community not consdier these people women?
Don't we all fight for the same rights?
It disgusts me when I see a gay man insult a transsexual, just like some of yall did with Jenna.
As if "cutting your dick off" is all it takes to become a transsexual. As if it's really that "easy".
How ignorant some of you guys sounds.
The beauty of women come in all forms, why can't we just respect it?

well speaking OMA i'm with you.

they are all born male?

Yes. All of them are.
And why, I understand why transsexuals can't compete.
It's rude to refer to them as "men" just as it is to refer to a gay man as "fag".
I think the issue stands on what is the definition of "woman". Because a woman who has had her ovaries removed is not so far off from a transsexual, besides the fact that she was born anatomically woman.

[minivaan]

i'm sorry but just because you THINK you were born in the wrong body, does not
make you part of the body you want to be. WE WERE BORN IN WAYS WE CANT ALTER.
If it werent for modern medicine sex changes wouldnt be happening. Its now an option and
its cool to have that but it doesnt mean anything in the long run, atleast to me.
I dont understand if youre gay its because youre a man who likes a man NOT A WOMAN!
same thing for lesbians, look how Chaz Bono RUINED her relationship by becoming a man.
Her gf fell in love with a WOMAN NOT A MAN!

[wardy]

i'm sorry but just because you THINK you were born in the wrong body, does not
make you part of the body you want to be. WE WERE BORN IN WAYS WE CANT ALTER.
If it werent for modern medicine sex changes wouldnt be happening. Its now an option and
its cool to have that but it doesnt mean anything in the long run, atleast to me.
I dont understand if youre gay its because youre a man who likes a man NOT A WOMAN!
same thing for lesbians, look how Chaz Bono RUINED her relationship by becoming a man.
Her gf fell in love with a WOMAN NOT A MAN!

That is the disgusting part !!!!!!!

[OMA]

i'm sorry but just because you THINK you were born in the wrong body, does not
make you part of the body you want to be. WE WERE BORN IN WAYS WE CANT ALTER.
If it werent for modern medicine sex changes wouldnt be happening. Its now an option and
its cool to have that but it doesnt mean anything in the long run, atleast to me.
I dont understand if youre gay its because youre a man who likes a man NOT A WOMAN!
same thing for lesbians, look how Chaz Bono RUINED her relationship by becoming a man.
Her gf fell in love with a WOMAN NOT A MAN!

I can partly see the logic behind what you're saying, but often transsexuals/transgendered identify as being the opposite sex from as young as they could remember. If they were born in ways that can't be alter, why do they feel uncomfortable in their bodies at such young ages in which most children barely understand the differences between sexes? But why are we judging Chaz and other transsexuals by their relationships? Their relationships have nothing to do with the reason they became a transsexual. Chaz was still a man (maybe not physically) who fell in love with a women. Whether her change hurt her relationship or not, it shouldn't matter. Chaz is now a heterosexual man.

[DivabyNature]

TRANSSEXUAL should be happy that the world are changing it's point of view when it comes with their status. But we should still bare in mind that we cannot have it all. Things are set according to standards/rules. You were born male or female (biologically speaking) and there's nothing you can do ABOUT IT. Even if you CHANGE your sexuality (male to female vice versa) OR how many times you ALTERED yourself according to what YOU want still there something in you that can't be changed.
PERIOD.

JUST BE HAPPY with what you achieved and try to be productive.
THAT'S ALL.

Sorry but your way of thinking is too archaic for me. I understand that we all come from different corners of the world and that may be the case why you think the way you do. Fighting for someone rights is not having it all. It is so obvious how difficult it is to argue with someone who has different mindset, and yes, it is an uphill battle. As you claim that changing a person's sexuality and no matter how many times that person alter thyself, there is still something that cannot be changed. And... what is that? For all what is worth, if and when a person is reassigned sex in the United States, that person assumes the new sex and U.S. laws fully recognize that. It does not get the approval of each and everyone of the citizens of the country, but equality, civil rights, and human rights are protected so that no one is discriminated against.

And this may sound foreign to you, but I hold onto this line and still believe to this day and until I die that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Yeah, Americans can be happy with what they have achieved and always productive each and everyday of their lives, but stop at that and not pursue happiness is just what sets them "apart and afar" from certain group of individuals who settle for anything.

[minivaan]

I can partly see the logic behind what you're saying, but often transsexuals/transgendered identify as being the opposite sex from as young as they could remember. If they were born in ways that can't be alter, why do they feel uncomfortable in their bodies at such young ages in which most children barely understand the differences between sexes? But why are we judging Chaz and other transsexuals by their relationships? Their relationships have nothing to do with the reason they became a transsexual. Chaz was still a man (maybe not physically) who fell in love with a women. Whether her change hurt her relationship or not, it shouldn't matter. Chaz is now a heterosexual man.

having an identity crisis is psychological for me, as it applies in this case.
Men and woman can now turn into opposite sexes due to how medicine works now, before
you were born a man you stay a man same for woman. Now just because you have an ultimate
desire of wanting to be a certain sex doesnt mean you have to go out of the park
to change it.Men can act/dress like woman without having a sex change. They just think that just
because they have certain desires they have furfill what the innerself tells them. Im not judging Chaz
I gave sort of an example. Chaz was a girl who became a man! Being a girl she was in a gay relationship
with another woman because in reality a gay relationship is between the same sex. When Chaz became a man
it all went downhill, because that woman is now with a man essentially turning out to a hetero relationship.
Its just a psychological way of putting it from a certain angle which concludes in: Just because you had
a sex change doesn't mean anything it's all good. Celebrating womanhood entails a lot of things that someone
with a sex change will never understand or feel. The natural way we were born is what defines us and there
is no reason why we should change it. You can look like a woman and be beautiful, but thats just appearance nothing more
and nothing less

[Dionysus]

it would be boring if trans join major pageants. we need more varied pageants!

[wardy]

We want real girls!!!! Not copycats!!!!!!