UK and France Competing in Universe/World

[ariseric]

I cannot help but notice this:

In the earlier years of Miss Universe, England, Scotland and Wales competed separately until in 1991. Now they have to compete under United Kingdom/Great Britain.

In earlier years of Miss World, they compete as United Kingdom. Since 1999, they compete separately: Northern Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland

In the earlier years of Miss Universe, Guadaloupe, Tahiti, Reunion and Martinique compete separately. Now they have to compete in Miss France since 1987.

in the earlier years of Miss World, only Miss France competes (with the exception of Tahiti - now French Polynesia). Now Martinique, Reunion and Guadaloupe compete separately (to which Genevieve de Fontanay despise as she thinks these 2 countries are territories of France so they should compete under the Miss France)

Makes you wonder why Miss Universe doesn't want, for example, United Kingdom, to compete separately. And why Miss Universe doesn't want territories like Martinique and Guadaloupe to compete separately

[Jaishee]

It's a waste of damn franchise fee! It's better to have a general representative than to have two or more. It lessens the expenses.

[XAMURAI]

Even under the United Kingdom franchise, they can hardly get decent contestants to represent the UK, how much more if they are separated into four different contingents? Things have changed, so United Kingdom has to be represented by one girl alone. Maybe it was a lot easier to scout for girls from all over Britain to represent England, Scotland and Wales respectively but nowadays, it's not.

As for the French territories, well, I guess that practicality makes it a lot easier for them to compete at Miss France first where there's no need of humongous franchise fee .

[chellomellow]

Guadaloupe, Tahiti, Reunion and Martinique ARE COMPETING IN THIS YEAR MISS WORLD PAGEANT BY THEMSELVES NOT UNDER MISS FRANCE!

[clemacle]

To my mind martinique, guadeoupe are french ( it's a bit differents for french polynesia which is only a territory)! Martinique competing in an internationale beauty pageant would be like hawaï competing with the miss hawaï title and not the miss usa title!

If Martinique and Guadeloupe are competing to miss World, I think they should stop competing in the miss France pageant. Imagine if Miss France next year would be Miss Martinique; there would be two miss martiniques competing in miss World! And I don't think it's fair!

[Eddie]

The more territories, the more candidates ... and in most cases, number matters in an international pageant.

[ariseric]

To my mind martinique, guadeoupe are french ( it's a bit differents for french polynesia which is only a territory)! Martinique competing in an internationale beauty pageant would be like hawaï competing with the miss hawaï title and not the miss usa title!

If Martinique and Guadeloupe are competing to miss World, I think they should stop competing in the miss France pageant. Imagine if Miss France next year would be Miss Martinique; there would be two miss martiniques competing in miss World! And I don't think it's fair!

According to Miss World, the reps of Miss France must come from Mainland France and not it's overseas territories.

[chellomellow]

PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM AND NOT SO INTELLIGENT I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH MISS FRANCE HAVE TO BE FROM :France, Guadeloupe, Tahiti, Reunion and Martinique . I BELIEVE THAT MISS FRANCE SHOULD BE FROM FRANCE NOT NO OTHER TERRITORY . BTW THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES UP THE TERRITORIES OF FRANCE ARE REALLY FAR APART FROM FRANCE . ALTHOUGH THESE TERRITORIES SPEAK FRENCH THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW THE FRENCH(FRANCE) CULTURE AND ALSO ABOUT FRANCE AND ITS PEOPLE . THEY WILL KNOW ABOUT THEY OWN TERRITORY .THEY ARE ALOT MORE REASONS!

[ariseric]

PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM AND NOT SO INTELLIGENT I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH MISS FRANCE HAVE TO BE FROM :France, Guadeloupe, Tahiti, Reunion and Martinique . I BELIEVE THAT MISS FRANCE SHOULD BE FROM FRANCE NOT NO OTHER TERRITORY . BTW THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES UP THE TERRITORIES OF FRANCE ARE REALLY FAR APART FROM FRANCE . ALTHOUGH THESE TERRITORIES SPEAK FRENCH THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW THE FRENCH(FRANCE) CULTURE AND ALSO ABOUT FRANCE AND ITS PEOPLE . THEY WILL KNOW ABOUT THEY OWN TERRITORY .THEY ARE ALOT MORE REASONS!

i agree with you that Miss France must be from the Mainland and not it's territories. However, when Genevieve de Fontanay acquired the franchise for Miss Universe and Miss World, she required that all girls not just in mainland France but it's territories to compete under the flag of France. Even when she retired from the pageant and Sylvie Tellier took over, they still required it's territories to compete under France.

when Genevieve lost the Miss World franchise, that was the time other territories like Martinique, Guadaloupe and now Reunion could compete. And when Martinique and Guadaloupe compete for the first time in 2005 and 2006, Genevieve made a nasty remark saying that these 2 territories should compete under the Miss France (but of course, she can't do anything about it)

[Jon A]

I think that if MU could actually get contestants from England, Wales and Scotland to compete, they would love to have them back, but it is just that they don't have any interest.

Gaudeloupe, Martinique etc are also interesting cases, the opinions on this (as also places like PR, Aruba, Guam, American Samoa, USVI, HK etc.) are quite diverse. Personally, I am very divided, on the one hand, I believe that the sovereign definition of a country should apply to participation in pageants, but then again, these are also culturally (and in many cases, ethnically) very distinct places, and if the local residents feel that they would like their own representation, why not? After all, many of them, like French Polynesia have their own stamps, currencies and airlines, so why not a Miss?

[ariseric]

I think that if MU could actually get contestants from England, Wales and Scotland to compete, they would love to have them back, but it is just that they don't have any interest.

Don't forget the expensive franchise fee. Imagine England, Wales, Scotland and maybe Northern Ireland will each pay that hefty franchise fee

[THE_KING]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

[hybrid]

PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM AND NOT SO INTELLIGENT I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH MISS FRANCE HAVE TO BE FROM :France, Guadeloupe, Tahiti, Reunion and Martinique . I BELIEVE THAT MISS FRANCE SHOULD BE FROM FRANCE NOT NO OTHER TERRITORY . BTW THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES UP THE TERRITORIES OF FRANCE ARE REALLY FAR APART FROM FRANCE . ALTHOUGH THESE TERRITORIES SPEAK FRENCH THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW THE FRENCH(FRANCE) CULTURE AND ALSO ABOUT FRANCE AND ITS PEOPLE . THEY WILL KNOW ABOUT THEY OWN TERRITORY .THEY ARE ALOT MORE REASONS!

i agree with you that Miss France must be from the Mainland and not it's territories. However, when Genevieve de Fontanay acquired the franchise for Miss Universe and Miss World, she required that all girls not just in mainland France but it's territories to compete under the flag of France. Even when she retired from the pageant and Sylvie Tellier took over, they still required it's territories to compete under France.

when Genevieve lost the Miss World franchise, that was the time other territories like Martinique, Guadaloupe and now Reunion could compete. And when Martinique and Guadaloupe compete for the first time in 2005 and 2006, Genevieve made a nasty remark saying that these 2 territories should compete under the Miss France (but of course, she can't do anything about it)

You guys don't understand, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Guyane and La Reunion and 100% french those are not countries, those are regions of France. And i know what i am talking about as my mom is from France mainland and my dad from Guadeloupe, i myself have been living in Guadeloupe for 15 years. People in those overseas islands, have french nationality, french passport, speak french, they vote for the french elections, watch french national TV..... they have exactly the same rights and same statut as French mainland people.
I know that it is kinda difficult to understand for non-french people as those islands and territories are far away form the mainland France, but really they are 100% french , and are part of France just like other mainland regions like Bourgogne, Auvergne... and so it is completely normal that they take part in Miss France pageant. Those islands and territories have been french for centuries, so the french culture is present there of course. They have their own regional culture and language too, but so do mainland region like Alsace and Bretagne and others.
Also, saying that Miss France should be only from France mainland, is very insulting for those overseas territories who has been french for centuries and are part of the history of France.

[clemacle]

PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM AND NOT SO INTELLIGENT I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH MISS FRANCE HAVE TO BE FROM :France, Guadeloupe, Tahiti, Reunion and Martinique . I BELIEVE THAT MISS FRANCE SHOULD BE FROM FRANCE NOT NO OTHER TERRITORY . BTW THE COUNTRY THAT MAKES UP THE TERRITORIES OF FRANCE ARE REALLY FAR APART FROM FRANCE . ALTHOUGH THESE TERRITORIES SPEAK FRENCH THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW THE FRENCH(FRANCE) CULTURE AND ALSO ABOUT FRANCE AND ITS PEOPLE . THEY WILL KNOW ABOUT THEY OWN TERRITORY .THEY ARE ALOT MORE REASONS!

i agree with you that Miss France must be from the Mainland and not it's territories. However, when Genevieve de Fontanay acquired the franchise for Miss Universe and Miss World, she required that all girls not just in mainland France but it's territories to compete under the flag of France. Even when she retired from the pageant and Sylvie Tellier took over, they still required it's territories to compete under France.

when Genevieve lost the Miss World franchise, that was the time other territories like Martinique, Guadaloupe and now Reunion could compete. And when Martinique and Guadaloupe compete for the first time in 2005 and 2006, Genevieve made a nasty remark saying that these 2 territories should compete under the Miss France (but of course, she can't do anything about it)

You guys don't understand, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Guyane and La Reunion and 100% french those are not countries, those are regions of France. And i know what i am talking about as my mom is from France mainland and my dad from Guadeloupe, i myself have been living in Guadeloupe for 15 years. People in those overseas islands, have french nationality, french passport, speak french, they vote for the french elections, watch french national TV..... they have exactly the same rights and same statut as French mainland people.
I know that it is kinda difficult to understand for non-french people as those islands and territories are far away form the mainland France, but really they are 100% french , and are part of France just like other mainland regions like Bourgogne, Auvergne... and so it is completely normal that they take part in Miss France pageant. Those islands and territories have been french for centuries, so the french culture is present there of course. They have their own regional culture and language too, but so do mainland region like Alsace and Bretagne and others.
Also, saying that Miss France should be only from France mainland, is very insulting for those overseas territories who has been french for centuries and are part of the history of France.

I agree with hybrid, I come from Alsace and in my region we speak our own dialect, we have our own culture but we can represent France like every french people. For exemple, Delphine wespiser miss france 2012 is from alsace like miss france 2004, 1988, 1985,... And we became French after Martinique and Guadeloupe!

If you still can't understand; I have an exemple: Hawaï is a state of USA but the island are not next to the USA, but it's a us state like Arizona or Alabama! In France we don't have states but region: Reunion, guadeloupe, martinique , guyane and mayottes are region: they are totaly french.
For french polynesia, it's a bit diferent because they have their own government so I can understand they compete separately in miss world

[ajsy0203]

So why Miss Martinique would not win Caribbeans Queen of Beauty at Miss World 3 years ago and gave to Miss Barbados because Martinique is part of France and should be in Europe.

[Eddie]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

[THE_KING]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

Hi Eddie, yes I think it will happen personally I don't think it's a smart move specially in these dark financial times, power in numbers I say but Im sure many would disagree!

[Eddie]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

Hi Eddie, yes I think it will happen personally I don't think it's a smart move specially in these dark financial times, power in numbers I say but Im sure many would disagree!

It was a long, bloody struggle for a united kingdom. I can't just imagine how people would disregard this moment in history. There should be a motive behind this move.

[THE_KING]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

Hi Eddie, yes I think it will happen personally I don't think it's a smart move specially in these dark financial times, power in numbers I say but Im sure many would disagree!

It was a long, bloody struggle for a united kingdom. I can't just imagine how people would disregard this moment in history. There should be a motive behind this move.

Actually it wasn't a struggle..... it just happened when Queen Elizabeth I died without issue bringing an end to the Tudor line in England. The English throne went into the hands of King James IV of Scotland, he was a descendant of king Henry VII of England through Margaret Tudor who married into Scottish Royalty and thus inherited both thrones, making him the first king of a united Great Britian and Ireland. But I think you mean how Scotland has struggled for independance throughout history from the west the Gaels invasion of Scotland, from the south the Roman invasion and from the east the Scandinavian invasions and then again the English tried to invade many times in the past, the union of crowns sort of ended all that. The first minister probably wants all the free-Scotland glory!

[Eddie]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

Hi Eddie, yes I think it will happen personally I don't think it's a smart move specially in these dark financial times, power in numbers I say but Im sure many would disagree!

It was a long, bloody struggle for a united kingdom. I can't just imagine how people would disregard this moment in history. There should be a motive behind this move.

Actually it wasn't a struggle..... it just happened when Queen Elizabeth I died without issue bringing an end to the Tudor line in England. The English throne went into the hands of King James IV of Scotland, he was a descendant of king Henry VII of England through Margaret Tudor who married into Scottish Royalty and thus inherited both thrones, making him the first king of a united Great Britian and Ireland. But I think you mean how Scotland has struggled for independance throughout history from the west the Gaels invasion of Scotland, from the south the Roman invasion and from the east the Scandinavian invasions and then again the English tried to invade many times in the past, the union of crowns sort of ended all that. The first minister probably wants all the free-Scotland glory!

Thanks for that piece of history. Oh yeah, the union was due to a mutual inheritance and good for both kingdoms. Why should such union be broken when it's good for both countries? Do the Scots feel discriminated by the English? These peoples are very much related to one another.

[THE_KING]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

Hi Eddie, yes I think it will happen personally I don't think it's a smart move specially in these dark financial times, power in numbers I say but Im sure many would disagree!

It was a long, bloody struggle for a united kingdom. I can't just imagine how people would disregard this moment in history. There should be a motive behind this move.

Actually it wasn't a struggle..... it just happened when Queen Elizabeth I died without issue bringing an end to the Tudor line in England. The English throne went into the hands of King James IV of Scotland, he was a descendant of king Henry VII of England through Margaret Tudor who married into Scottish Royalty and thus inherited both thrones, making him the first king of a united Great Britian and Ireland. But I think you mean how Scotland has struggled for independance throughout history from the west the Gaels invasion of Scotland, from the south the Roman invasion and from the east the Scandinavian invasions and then again the English tried to invade many times in the past, the union of crowns sort of ended all that. The first minister probably wants all the free-Scotland glory!

Thanks for that piece of history. Oh yeah, the union was due to a mutual inheritance and good for both kingdoms. Why should such union be broken when it's good for both countries? Do the Scots feel discriminated by the English? These peoples are very much related to one another.

It's understandable Scotland has a rich, older history with a strong cultural identity, they were an independant nation before the act of unions so it kinda makes sense.. the nothern scots even speak their own language. The mutual hostility has died down over the past 300 years but there are rare isolated incidences for example when I was in Edinburgh in 2008 the tour guide made a lot of anti-english remarks to amuse the american tourists - pathetic but Im just sad to see them go because I adore the country and culture, a lot will change even our flag!

[Eddie]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

Hi Eddie, yes I think it will happen personally I don't think it's a smart move specially in these dark financial times, power in numbers I say but Im sure many would disagree!

It was a long, bloody struggle for a united kingdom. I can't just imagine how people would disregard this moment in history. There should be a motive behind this move.

Actually it wasn't a struggle..... it just happened when Queen Elizabeth I died without issue bringing an end to the Tudor line in England. The English throne went into the hands of King James IV of Scotland, he was a descendant of king Henry VII of England through Margaret Tudor who married into Scottish Royalty and thus inherited both thrones, making him the first king of a united Great Britian and Ireland. But I think you mean how Scotland has struggled for independance throughout history from the west the Gaels invasion of Scotland, from the south the Roman invasion and from the east the Scandinavian invasions and then again the English tried to invade many times in the past, the union of crowns sort of ended all that. The first minister probably wants all the free-Scotland glory!

Thanks for that piece of history. Oh yeah, the union was due to a mutual inheritance and good for both kingdoms. Why should such union be broken when it's good for both countries? Do the Scots feel discriminated by the English? These peoples are very much related to one another.

It's understandable Scotland has a rich, older history with a strong cultural identity, they were an independant nation before the act of unions so it kinda makes sense.. the nothern scots even speak their own language. The mutual hostility has died down over the past 300 years but there are rare isolated incidences for example when I was in Edinburgh in 2008 the tour guide made a lot of anti-english remarks to amuse the american tourists - pathetic but Im just sad to see them go because I adore the country and culture, a lot will change even our flag!

Well, if the referendum proves that majority of the Scots would like to remain in the UK, that would be a big slap to the first minister. But is there a growing Scottish nationalism?

[Joanne]

This year, Great Britain or UK withdraws from MU, but England will be participating. What is happening?

[THE_KING]

United Kingdom maybe no more The current first minister of Scotland wants to hold a referendum on the future of Scotland in the UK, if he gets his way SCOTLAND WILL BECOME INDEPENDANT and break away in the next couple of years, this means Scotland will have to send seperate competitor like before.

And what do you think? Will the Scots vote for or against such move?

Hi Eddie, yes I think it will happen personally I don't think it's a smart move specially in these dark financial times, power in numbers I say but Im sure many would disagree!

It was a long, bloody struggle for a united kingdom. I can't just imagine how people would disregard this moment in history. There should be a motive behind this move.

Actually it wasn't a struggle..... it just happened when Queen Elizabeth I died without issue bringing an end to the Tudor line in England. The English throne went into the hands of King James IV of Scotland, he was a descendant of king Henry VII of England through Margaret Tudor who married into Scottish Royalty and thus inherited both thrones, making him the first king of a united Great Britian and Ireland. But I think you mean how Scotland has struggled for independance throughout history from the west the Gaels invasion of Scotland, from the south the Roman invasion and from the east the Scandinavian invasions and then again the English tried to invade many times in the past, the union of crowns sort of ended all that. The first minister probably wants all the free-Scotland glory!

Thanks for that piece of history. Oh yeah, the union was due to a mutual inheritance and good for both kingdoms. Why should such union be broken when it's good for both countries? Do the Scots feel discriminated by the English? These peoples are very much related to one another.

It's understandable Scotland has a rich, older history with a strong cultural identity, they were an independant nation before the act of unions so it kinda makes sense.. the nothern scots even speak their own language. The mutual hostility has died down over the past 300 years but there are rare isolated incidences for example when I was in Edinburgh in 2008 the tour guide made a lot of anti-english remarks to amuse the american tourists - pathetic but Im just sad to see them go because I adore the country and culture, a lot will change even our flag!

Well, if the referendum proves that majority of the Scots would like to remain in the UK, that would be a big slap to the first minister. But is there a growing Scottish nationalism?

Scottish Nationalism has always been present and yes I hope he does get that big slap but we shall know for sure in the next couple of years. If it does happen I expect the other 2 realms (wales, N.I) might follow in Scotland's footsteps.

[Eddie]

Scottish Nationalism has always been present and yes I hope he does get that big slap but we shall know for sure in the next couple of years. If it does happen I expect the other 2 realms (wales, N.I) might follow in Scotland's footsteps.

I could just imagine what the first minister would do in the next 2 years to mobilize his minions.

If Wales separates too, what would happen to the Prince of Wales?

[THE_KING]

Scottish Nationalism has always been present and yes I hope he does get that big slap but we shall know for sure in the next couple of years. If it does happen I expect the other 2 realms (wales, N.I) might follow in Scotland's footsteps.

I could just imagine what the first minister would do in the next 2 years to mobilize his minions.

If Wales separates too, what would happen to the Prince of Wales?

A lot of empty promises I would imagine, the usual political lies

That's a very good question. Unlike Scotland, Wales as a whole was never a kingdom in it's own right because it was ruled by various native Welsh Kings with their own smaller kingdoms, each kingdom was invaded by romans, normans and finally the English under Henry VIII (Ironically the Tudor line had Welsh origins) Wales is a principality, if the Queen remains as the head of state, then I would presume the title would still be used for the 1st born heirs..I don't think the title will be abolished.

[ariseric]

Scottish Nationalism has always been present and yes I hope he does get that big slap but we shall know for sure in the next couple of years. If it does happen I expect the other 2 realms (wales, N.I) might follow in Scotland's footsteps.

I could just imagine what the first minister would do in the next 2 years to mobilize his minions.

If Wales separates too, what would happen to the Prince of Wales?

A lot of empty promises I would imagine, the usual political lies

That's a very good question. Unlike Scotland, Wales as a whole was never a kingdom in it's own right because it was ruled by various native Welsh Kings with their own smaller kingdoms, each kingdom was invaded by romans, normans and finally the English under Henry VIII (Ironically the Tudor line had Welsh origins) Wales is a principality, if the Queen remains as the head of state, then I would presume the title would still be used for the 1st born heirs..I don't think the title will be abolished.

what about Northern Ireland? What's its history? And what would happen if Northern Ireland separates or reunited with Ireland?

[THE_KING]

Scottish Nationalism has always been present and yes I hope he does get that big slap but we shall know for sure in the next couple of years. If it does happen I expect the other 2 realms (wales, N.I) might follow in Scotland's footsteps.

I could just imagine what the first minister would do in the next 2 years to mobilize his minions.

If Wales separates too, what would happen to the Prince of Wales?

A lot of empty promises I would imagine, the usual political lies

That's a very good question. Unlike Scotland, Wales as a whole was never a kingdom in it's own right because it was ruled by various native Welsh Kings with their own smaller kingdoms, each kingdom was invaded by romans, normans and finally the English under Henry VIII (Ironically the Tudor line had Welsh origins) Wales is a principality, if the Queen remains as the head of state, then I would presume the title would still be used for the 1st born heirs..I don't think the title will be abolished.

what about Northern Ireland? What's its history? And what would happen if Northern Ireland separates or reunited with Ireland?

Northern Ireland was previously a province known as Ulster, which was a part of Ireland. The History there is very old just like Wales and Scotland. I'm not familiar with the whole story all I know is that When Ireland became Independant (after long bitter wars with protestant Britain in early 1920s) "Northern" Ireland already had a significant number of protestant settlers of Scottish and English origins dating back to the 1600s (When the Scots and English crowns united under the first king of a UK & IRE) and "Southern" Ireland was predominantly roman catholic. I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons why Northern Ireland remained a UK country after the Irish wars of Independance. It's a sensitive topic the Unionists want N.I to remain a UK constitution while the nationalists want N.I to break-away from the UK and be re-united with Ireland as it was before various foreign invasions, difficult to say what could happen there.

[Eddie]

Scottish Nationalism has always been present and yes I hope he does get that big slap but we shall know for sure in the next couple of years. If it does happen I expect the other 2 realms (wales, N.I) might follow in Scotland's footsteps.

I could just imagine what the first minister would do in the next 2 years to mobilize his minions.

If Wales separates too, what would happen to the Prince of Wales?

A lot of empty promises I would imagine, the usual political lies

That's a very good question. Unlike Scotland, Wales as a whole was never a kingdom in it's own right because it was ruled by various native Welsh Kings with their own smaller kingdoms, each kingdom was invaded by romans, normans and finally the English under Henry VIII (Ironically the Tudor line had Welsh origins) Wales is a principality, if the Queen remains as the head of state, then I would presume the title would still be used for the 1st born heirs..I don't think the title will be abolished.

what about Northern Ireland? What's its history? And what would happen if Northern Ireland separates or reunited with Ireland?

Northern Ireland was previously a province known as Ulster, which was a part of Ireland. The History there is very old just like Wales and Scotland. I'm not familiar with the whole story all I know is that When Ireland became Independant (after long bitter wars with protestant Britain in early 1920s) "Northern" Ireland already had a significant number of protestant settlers of Scottish and English origins dating back to the 1600s (When the Scots and English crowns united under the first king of a UK & IRE) and "Southern" Ireland was predominantly roman catholic. I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons why Northern Ireland remained a UK country after the Irish wars of Independance. It's a sensitive topic the Unionists want N.I to remain a UK constitution while the nationalists want N.I to break-away from the UK and be re-united with Ireland as it was before various foreign invasions, difficult to say what could happen there.

Because of the present tension, it is highly probable that NI will stay in the UK. Forcing NI to join with the Irish Republic will result to another bloody war. And England will support, as it had in the past, the Protestants' cause.

[ariseric]

Scottish Nationalism has always been present and yes I hope he does get that big slap but we shall know for sure in the next couple of years. If it does happen I expect the other 2 realms (wales, N.I) might follow in Scotland's footsteps.

I could just imagine what the first minister would do in the next 2 years to mobilize his minions.

If Wales separates too, what would happen to the Prince of Wales?

A lot of empty promises I would imagine, the usual political lies

That's a very good question. Unlike Scotland, Wales as a whole was never a kingdom in it's own right because it was ruled by various native Welsh Kings with their own smaller kingdoms, each kingdom was invaded by romans, normans and finally the English under Henry VIII (Ironically the Tudor line had Welsh origins) Wales is a principality, if the Queen remains as the head of state, then I would presume the title would still be used for the 1st born heirs..I don't think the title will be abolished.

what about Northern Ireland? What's its history? And what would happen if Northern Ireland separates or reunited with Ireland?

Northern Ireland was previously a province known as Ulster, which was a part of Ireland. The History there is very old just like Wales and Scotland. I'm not familiar with the whole story all I know is that When Ireland became Independant (after long bitter wars with protestant Britain in early 1920s) "Northern" Ireland already had a significant number of protestant settlers of Scottish and English origins dating back to the 1600s (When the Scots and English crowns united under the first king of a UK & IRE) and "Southern" Ireland was predominantly roman catholic. I'm pretty sure that's one of the main reasons why Northern Ireland remained a UK country after the Irish wars of Independance. It's a sensitive topic the Unionists want N.I to remain a UK constitution while the nationalists want N.I to break-away from the UK and be re-united with Ireland as it was before various foreign invasions, difficult to say what could happen there.

Thanks for the information.

So in your opinion, do you think Northern Ireland, England, Wales and Scotland should be compete separately just like in Miss World and Miss Earth? Or they should compete under Great Britain or United Kingdon just like in Miss Universe and Miss international?