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Postby esperasave » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:45 pm

    

As I roam around the streets of London, I see Muslim people in Burja with their head to the feet are fully covered. They are also allowed to wear that type of clothing in any Anglo Saxon countries like Ireland, Scotland, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. But for people of those Countries and others are not allowed to enter The Muslim or Arab countries in their customary casual clothes but unless they would wear the traditional Burja or hajib. On the other hand, Muslim people could carry Quaran, their Holy Book to The USA, UK and other Anglo Saxon countries but on the contrary, The Bible is not permitted even in The Arab Airports. It will be considered contraband. While the Muslim Churches have grown over the years to be established in The US, UK, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia or New Zealand but any Christian Movements in these Arab Nations are considered Crime. One thing also, Muslim Women are not allowed to enter A beauty Pageant because they called it indecent for them to do that. However, in their Religion, they are allowing two persons to get married even they are first cousins and could marry as many wives if they could support them financially. Likewise, Muslim, Jewish and others are not allowing their members to eat anything pork or fat on their food but if you look at them, they're overweight and obese themselves. This is the reason why, relationships could be strained because one party just wants to take, take and take but doesn't want to give anything at all.


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Postby beautywatchnyc » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:05 am


esperasave, first, the places of worship for all Moslems and its legit worshippers are called mosques, not churches (in accord of your "mis-information".) No one, however, forbades you, being an avowed Christian, to use a convenient terminology owing your boxed background and orientation. It seems to me that you're only exposing your ignorance by your initial impression.

Second, no law exists in Britain or anywhere in the UK and the Commonwealth of Nations that would bar entry or prohibit Moslems and its womenfolk from wearing a burqa/hijab (a non-violent practice of faith) for as long as they were assessed prior to have no criminal records in violation of any entry requirement at any European immigration port of entry. You haven't yet heard about the pronounced unease and wariness of the Christian faithful particularly against the "Islamization" of France and the European mainland, a phenomenon which had taken roots in the rest of Europe since as far as we can remember? You're not familiar perhaps with the count and the %es of the living population of Muslims all over Europe as of the latest stats!

Apropos, the opposite view: it skipped your inquisitive mind to even think appropriately that before any non-resident, regardless of nationality, is allowed entry by the immigration authorities in any foreign Moslem country of destination, there are stated rules that a prospective visitor has to abide strictly with before a visit or entry visa is issued! Flagrant violations are meted with penalties or any possible infraction of the local laws is flagged correspondingly for guidance of the entry-seeking temporary visitor. Worse, the visitor could be refused/denied entry and will be waved back if not detained for more questioning by immigration authorities before he's sent back to his port of origin.

This is where the difference lies. You have the choice. If that was your line of thinking as a random tourist beforehand, now it can be told. Who's clearly the bigot and the hypocrite in this particular instance?

Sorry to burst your bubble. It kind'a sounds pretentious or stating the obvious? Or you just want your readers to know which countries have you visited thus far? No offense meant!

Imposing your sense of beliefs and values as a Christian person to peoples of other faith is the highest form of what did you say, hypocrisy? I was tempted to lecture you on that because as a person who has seen key cities of the world, you could have exercise a little restraint out of respect and better still self-respect by sowing the seeds of toleranceand not by fomenting hatred between peoples of opposite beliefs and cultural or religious traditions.

You pride yourself of being "learned" but you forgot the lessons history, of countless useless wasteful and destructive wars fought in the name of religious fervor and orientation! Now stop the utterHYPOCRISY!
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby esperasave » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:33 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
esperasave, first, the places of worship for all Moslems and its legit worshippers are called mosques, not churches (in accord of your "mis-information".) No one, however, forbades you, being an avowed Christian, to use a convenient terminology owing your boxed background and orientation. It seems to me that you're only exposing your ignorance by your initial impression.

Second, no law exists in Britain or anywhere in the UK and the Commonwealth of Nations that would bar entry or prohibit Moslems and its womenfolk from wearing a burqa/hijab (a non-violent practice of faith) for as long as they were assessed prior to have no criminal records in violation of any entry requirement at any European immigration port of entry. You haven't yet heard about the pronounced unease and wariness of the Christian faithful particularly against the "Islamization" of France and the European mainland, a phenomenon which had taken roots in the rest of Europe since as far as we can remember? You're not familiar perhaps with the count and the %es of the living population of Muslims all over Europe as of the latest stats!

Apropos, the opposite view: it skipped your inquisitive mind to even think appropriately that before any non-resident, regardless of nationality, is allowed entry by the immigration authorities in any foreign Moslem country of destination, there are stated rules that a prospective visitor has to abide strictly with before a visit or entry visa is issued! Flagrant violations are meted with penalties or any possible infraction of the local laws is flagged correspondingly for guidance of the entry-seeking temporary visitor. Worse, the visitor could be refused/denied entry and will be waved back if not detained for more questioning by immigration authorities before he's sent back to his port of origin.

This is where the difference lies. You have the choice. If that was your line of thinking as a random tourist beforehand, now it can be told. Who's clearly the bigot and the hypocrite in this particular instance?

Sorry to burst your bubble. It kind'a sounds pretentious or stating the obvious? Or you just want your readers to know which countries have you visited thus far? No offense meant!


You see, you won't allow us to use Mosque as A term for Church as an English transalation but We Catholics, Christians or other Religion would permit the term Mosque to be used at their own convinience. Besides, The Muslim of The Arab Countries could Practice their own Religion and Faith freely in All Anglo Saxon Countries like The US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK, Scotland but if you Practice your Faith there other than Islam, YOU WILL BE BEHEADED.
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby beautywatchnyc » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:38 am


esperasave, Imposing your sense of beliefs and values as a Christian person to peoples of other faith is the highest form of what did you say, hypocrisy?

I was tempted to lecture you on that because as a person who has seen key cities of the world, you could have exercised a little restraint out of respect of others, and better still self-respect, by sowing the seeds of tolerance and not by fomenting hatred between peoples of opposite beliefs and cultural or religious traditions.

You pride yourself of being "learned" but you forgot the lessons history, of countless useless wasteful and destructive wars fought in the name of religious fervor, bigotry and intolerance!

Now stop your juvenile thinking and utter HYPOCRISY!
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Stoichio » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:42 am



Inatake na naman ng pagka-sintu-sinto ung nuknukan ng ignorante dito sa forum. :-j :-j

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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby esperasave » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:59 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
esperasave, Imposing your sense of beliefs and values as a Christian person to peoples of other faith is the highest form of what did you say, hypocrisy?

I was tempted to lecture you on that because as a person who has seen key cities of the world, you could have exercised a little restraint out of respect of others, and better still self-respect, by sowing the seeds of tolerance and not by fomenting hatred between peoples of opposite beliefs and cultural or religious traditions.

You pride yourself of being "learned" but you forgot the lessons history, of countless useless wasteful and destructive wars fought in the name of religious fervor, bigotry and intolerance!

Now stop your juvenile thinking and utter HYPOCRISY!


If their culture or Religion are being accepted to countries of The World, they should be opened to that ideology of acceptance too. You don't have to learn and land to other countries like I do but Give and Take is a commonality for any relationship to last supreme. Likewise, when it comes to World History that you mentioned about that I'm so ignorant, it's been over thousands of year that acceptance and tolerance where handed to them in silver platter that even now, the respect were always there. They've built and established thousands of Churches or Mosque in all those Anglo Saxon Countries alone but not a Single Christian, Catholic Church and other major Religions was ever built in Saudia Arabia, Qatar and other Rich Arab Nations. They would always complain about being Islamophobic from The Anglo Saxon countries with their people but they have never given other Religions the chance to thrive in their own countries.
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Kukay » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:59 am

Tama si esperasave.
But for the wrong reasons .
Ang babaw and really ..kabalbalan lang ang pinagsasabe.
How can esperasave impose sa Islamic countries that they should be tolerant to other religions ? ... porke Christian countries eh tolerant of other religions eh Islamic countries should do the same ? Hindi pede yan oy .
Each country eh meh kanya kanyang sovereignty.
When in Rome , do what the Romans do ... ika nga di ba ?
Pagka you’re in Islamic country ... just follow their laws so you won’t get into trouble .

Sorry na lang senyong mga bakla kayo but I actually researched and studied Islam .
I have religion debate groups ( that’s plural ‘ha ) and we’ve been going on for 15 years na ( we may even outlast Misso . Ha ha ) .
By no means na I’m saying that I’m an expert in Islam or other religions ...but pretty much I’m very confident discussing its origin , its history ( including the pre Islam Arab nations’ religion na paganism ) , the tenet of Islam and their prophecies .
And just so you baklas know ... wala sa Quran ang Islamic prophecies ... it’s in their hadiths . It’s mind boggling ... the biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are total opposites na on a collision course .
I have read parts of the Quran , the Hadiths and Tafsirs...and I really I was this close in actually buying the books and read it in full ... pero my gulay ... it’s really creepy . I’m not nahihiyang sabihin na nakakatakot sobra . Kasi I’ve read not just Islam but yung history mismo ng Quran and how it came to be . Kasi Mohammad did not write the Quran . He was illiterate. No read no write sya . When he became rich and powerful he hired scribes . Eh one of the scribes eh he killed . And if you baklas know about Salman Rushdie’s book na Satanic Verses . .. ngek ... its true pala . Totoong may satanic verses sa Quran .
Yung book pala ni Salman Rushdie eh patama sa Islam kaya galit na galit sa kanya ang mga Muslim .
And get this ... it’s not just Christians questioning Islam , the Quran and its history ... Muslims themselves eh questioning Islam , the Quran and its history . They ask tough questions to Muslim clerics . Eh eto namang mga Muslim clerics eh they tell the truth..they have no choice kasi they are cornered.
Just so you baklas know ... may denominations din ang Islam . Kung may Catholics and Protestants sa Christianity, may Shiite and Sunni naman ang Islam . Sila sila ding mga Muslims eh they discuss and debate din .

Of course ... I will be labeled as spreading islamophobia .
Ba .. in my case eh actually did research and it’s not just a one time deal ... its years and years of research and study .
Kasi for more than 10 years I did believe yung mga haters ng Islam ...sabi ko they are just trolling . Kasi di ba ... I’m from the Philippines and we have Filipino Muslims in mindanao . And my dad pa is from Misamis Occidental tapos my best friend in college eh Muslim ... pero yun nga ... I did research about Islam .

Right now it’s not “fashionable “ to discuss Islam pero garantisado in the future it will be .
Kasi nasa prophecies nila ... that Islam will become the dominant religion in the world when their Islamic messiah called The Mahdi will come.
The Mahdi will force everyone to convert to Islam or face death .


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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby esperasave » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:18 am

Kukay wrote:Tama si esperasave.
But for the wrong reasons .
Ang babaw and really ..kabalbalan lang ang pinagsasabe.
How can esperasave impose sa Islamic countries that they should be tolerant to other religions ? ... porke Christian countries eh tolerant of other religions eh Islamic countries should do the same ? Hindi pede yan oy .
Each country eh meh kanya kanyang sovereignty.
When in Rome , do what the Romans do ... ika nga di ba ?
Pagka you’re in Islamic country ... just follow their laws so you won’t get into trouble .

Sorry na lang senyong mga bakla kayo but I actually researched and studied Islam .
I have religion debate groups ( that’s plural ‘ha ) and we’ve been going on for 15 years na ( we may even outlast Misso . Ha ha ) .
By no means na I’m saying that I’m an expert in Islam or other religions ...but pretty much I’m very confident discussing its origin , its history ( including the pre Islam Arab nations’ religion na paganism ) , the tenet of Islam and their prophecies .
And just so you baklas know ... wala sa Quran ang Islamic prophecies ... it’s in their hadiths . It’s mind boggling ... the biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are total opposites na on a collision course .
I have read parts of the Quran , the Hadiths and Tafsirs...and I really I was this close in actually buying the books and read it in full ... pero my gulay ... it’s really creepy . I’m not nahihiyang sabihin na nakakatakot sobra . Kasi I’ve read not just Islam but yung history mismo ng Quran and how it came to be . Kasi Mohammad did not write the Quran . He was illiterate. No read no write sya . When he became rich and powerful he hired scribes . Eh one of the scribes eh he killed . And if you baklas know about Salman Rushdie’s book na Satanic Verses . .. ngek ... its true pala . Totoong may satanic verses sa Quran .
Yung book pala ni Salman Rushdie eh patama sa Islam kaya galit na galit sa kanya ang mga Muslim .
And get this ... it’s not just Christians questioning Islam , the Quran and its history ... Muslims themselves eh questioning Islam , the Quran and its history . They ask tough questions to Muslim clerics . Eh eto namang mga Muslim clerics eh they tell the truth..they have no choice kasi they are cornered.
Just so you baklas know ... may denominations din ang Islam . Kung may Catholics and Protestants sa Christianity, may Shiite and Sunni naman ang Islam . Sila sila ding mga Muslims eh they discuss and debate din .

Of course ... I will be labeled as spreading islamophobia .
Ba .. in my case eh actually did research and it’s not just a one time deal ... its years and years of research and study .
Kasi for more than 10 years I did believe yung mga haters ng Islam ...sabi ko they are just trolling . Kasi di ba ... I’m from the Philippines and we have Filipino Muslims in mindanao . And my dad pa is from Misamis Occidental tapos my best friend in college eh Muslim ... pero yun nga ... I did research about Islam .


Yes, Muslim too have several denominations just like Christians with Protestants, Born Againsts, Mormons etc. But The equation is not right. The Quran could find its way to The Anglo Saxons, The European Unions, Asia, South America countries etc but The Bible would be considered Contraband in The Arab Muslim Countries so it's prohibited to carry with it over there or else you could beheaded. The Muslims have branded us Islamaphobic when in fact, there's so many Muslim Churches or Mosques built upon our lands. But in Saudi, no other Churches but Mosque.
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Stoichio » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:32 am

Puwede ba i-correct mo muna yung title ng thread mo. Wrong grammar.
Kahit Grade 1, makikita agad ang mali sa English mo.
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Kukay » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:37 am

esperasave wrote:
Kukay wrote:Tama si esperasave.
But for the wrong reasons .
Ang babaw and really ..kabalbalan lang ang pinagsasabe.
How can esperasave impose sa Islamic countries that they should be tolerant to other religions ? ... porke Christian countries eh tolerant of other religions eh Islamic countries should do the same ? Hindi pede yan oy .
Each country eh meh kanya kanyang sovereignty.
When in Rome , do what the Romans do ... ika nga di ba ?
Pagka you’re in Islamic country ... just follow their laws so you won’t get into trouble .

Sorry na lang senyong mga bakla kayo but I actually researched and studied Islam .
I have religion debate groups ( that’s plural ‘ha ) and we’ve been going on for 15 years na ( we may even outlast Misso . Ha ha ) .
By no means na I’m saying that I’m an expert in Islam or other religions ...but pretty much I’m very confident discussing its origin , its history ( including the pre Islam Arab nations’ religion na paganism ) , the tenet of Islam and their prophecies .
And just so you baklas know ... wala sa Quran ang Islamic prophecies ... it’s in their hadiths . It’s mind boggling ... the biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are total opposites na on a collision course .
I have read parts of the Quran , the Hadiths and Tafsirs...and I really I was this close in actually buying the books and read it in full ... pero my gulay ... it’s really creepy . I’m not nahihiyang sabihin na nakakatakot sobra . Kasi I’ve read not just Islam but yung history mismo ng Quran and how it came to be . Kasi Mohammad did not write the Quran . He was illiterate. No read no write sya . When he became rich and powerful he hired scribes . Eh one of the scribes eh he killed . And if you baklas know about Salman Rushdie’s book na Satanic Verses . .. ngek ... its true pala . Totoong may satanic verses sa Quran .
Yung book pala ni Salman Rushdie eh patama sa Islam kaya galit na galit sa kanya ang mga Muslim .
And get this ... it’s not just Christians questioning Islam , the Quran and its history ... Muslims themselves eh questioning Islam , the Quran and its history . They ask tough questions to Muslim clerics . Eh eto namang mga Muslim clerics eh they tell the truth..they have no choice kasi they are cornered.
Just so you baklas know ... may denominations din ang Islam . Kung may Catholics and Protestants sa Christianity, may Shiite and Sunni naman ang Islam . Sila sila ding mga Muslims eh they discuss and debate din .

Of course ... I will be labeled as spreading islamophobia .
Ba .. in my case eh actually did research and it’s not just a one time deal ... its years and years of research and study .
Kasi for more than 10 years I did believe yung mga haters ng Islam ...sabi ko they are just trolling . Kasi di ba ... I’m from the Philippines and we have Filipino Muslims in mindanao . And my dad pa is from Misamis Occidental tapos my best friend in college eh Muslim ... pero yun nga ... I did research about Islam .


Yes, Muslim too have several denominations just like Christians with Protestants, Born Againsts, Mormons etc. But The equation is not right. The Quran could find its way to The Anglo Saxons, The European Unions, Asia, South America countries etc but The Bible would be considered Contraband in The Arab Muslim Countries so it's prohibited to carry with it over there or else you could beheaded. The Muslims have branded us Islamaphobic when in fact, there's so many Muslim Churches or Mosques built upon our lands. But in Saudi, no other Churches but Mosque.


The Quran clearly says that Muslims should kill the infidels ( Christians and Jews ) kaya hindi katakataka that Islamic countries are very strict against different religions .

But here’s the thing ...
There’s so many things to discuss about this thread .
Kasi maraming aspeto na pedeng ih discuss .
Take for example ang Amerika ....
Sa ngayon pedeng sabihin na very tolerant ang mga kano sa Islam , sa Muslims , sa having possession of the Quran ...kasi right now there’s no immediate danger but it could change in a flash .
Or any other country for that matter .

I edited my original post and added that .... in the future na garantisado na the topic of Islam and the Quran will be relevant kasi it’s in the Islamic prophecies.
Sabi sa Islamic prophecies,,,, Islam will become the dominant religion in the world when their Islamic messiah called The Mahdi will come .
The Mahdi will force everyone to convert to Islam or face death .
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby esperasave » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:06 am

Kukay wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Kukay wrote:Tama si esperasave.
But for the wrong reasons .
Ang babaw and really ..kabalbalan lang ang pinagsasabe.
How can esperasave impose sa Islamic countries that they should be tolerant to other religions ? ... porke Christian countries eh tolerant of other religions eh Islamic countries should do the same ? Hindi pede yan oy .
Each country eh meh kanya kanyang sovereignty.
When in Rome , do what the Romans do ... ika nga di ba ?
Pagka you’re in Islamic country ... just follow their laws so you won’t get into trouble .

Sorry na lang senyong mga bakla kayo but I actually researched and studied Islam .
I have religion debate groups ( that’s plural ‘ha ) and we’ve been going on for 15 years na ( we may even outlast Misso . Ha ha ) .
By no means na I’m saying that I’m an expert in Islam or other religions ...but pretty much I’m very confident discussing its origin , its history ( including the pre Islam Arab nations’ religion na paganism ) , the tenet of Islam and their prophecies .
And just so you baklas know ... wala sa Quran ang Islamic prophecies ... it’s in their hadiths . It’s mind boggling ... the biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are total opposites na on a collision course .
I have read parts of the Quran , the Hadiths and Tafsirs...and I really I was this close in actually buying the books and read it in full ... pero my gulay ... it’s really creepy . I’m not nahihiyang sabihin na nakakatakot sobra . Kasi I’ve read not just Islam but yung history mismo ng Quran and how it came to be . Kasi Mohammad did not write the Quran . He was illiterate. No read no write sya . When he became rich and powerful he hired scribes . Eh one of the scribes eh he killed . And if you baklas know about Salman Rushdie’s book na Satanic Verses . .. ngek ... its true pala . Totoong may satanic verses sa Quran .
Yung book pala ni Salman Rushdie eh patama sa Islam kaya galit na galit sa kanya ang mga Muslim .
And get this ... it’s not just Christians questioning Islam , the Quran and its history ... Muslims themselves eh questioning Islam , the Quran and its history . They ask tough questions to Muslim clerics . Eh eto namang mga Muslim clerics eh they tell the truth..they have no choice kasi they are cornered.
Just so you baklas know ... may denominations din ang Islam . Kung may Catholics and Protestants sa Christianity, may Shiite and Sunni naman ang Islam . Sila sila ding mga Muslims eh they discuss and debate din .

Of course ... I will be labeled as spreading islamophobia .
Ba .. in my case eh actually did research and it’s not just a one time deal ... its years and years of research and study .
Kasi for more than 10 years I did believe yung mga haters ng Islam ...sabi ko they are just trolling . Kasi di ba ... I’m from the Philippines and we have Filipino Muslims in mindanao . And my dad pa is from Misamis Occidental tapos my best friend in college eh Muslim ... pero yun nga ... I did research about Islam .


Yes, Muslim too have several denominations just like Christians with Protestants, Born Againsts, Mormons etc. But The equation is not right. The Quran could find its way to The Anglo Saxons, The European Unions, Asia, South America countries etc but The Bible would be considered Contraband in The Arab Muslim Countries so it's prohibited to carry with it over there or else you could beheaded. The Muslims have branded us Islamaphobic when in fact, there's so many Muslim Churches or Mosques built upon our lands. But in Saudi, no other Churches but Mosque.


The Quran clearly says that Muslims should kill the infidels ( Christians and Jews ) kaya hindi katakataka that Islamic countries are very strict against different religions .

But here’s the thing ...
There’s so many things to discuss about this thread .
Kasi maraming aspeto na pedeng ih discuss .
Take for example ang Amerika ....
Sa ngayon pedeng sabihin na very tolerant ang mga kano sa Islam , sa Muslims , sa having possession of the Quran ...kasi right now there’s no immediate danger but it could change in a flash .
Or any other country for that matter .

I edited my original post and added that .... in the future na garantisado na the topic of Islam and the Quran will be relevant kasi it’s in the Islamic prophecies.
Sabi sa Islamic prophecies,,,, Islam will become the dominant religion in the world when their Islamic messiah called The Mahdi will come .
The Mahdi will force everyone to convert to Islam or face death .


It's impossible that Islam would rule the World because their Religion started way after other Religions were born. There were Religion's that was built upon 5,000 years ago while Islam was born at 650 AD. There's a huge gap that Islam should fill in order to Rule The World's Religion and its not gonna happen in today's society. Christianity was formed about 3000 years with The Bible as The Holy Book we lived by. The Holy Bible is a collection of books and is like a library that many authors contributed but every contents are unabridged with the inspiration coming from Almighty God.
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Postby esperasave » Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:15 am

The Main Propaganda of Major Religion's of The World are not To Steal, Kill, Being Dishonest and Putting God's Name in Vain. I'm not sure if Islam is All about it as compare from other Major Religions. Beauty Pageants Like Miss Universe or Miss World Propagate those Advocacy and Propaganda so that's why they were able to pull almost 100 countries into their system because they are inclusive to everyone irregardless of their race, nationality, creed, religion, body shapes and sizes etc. These beauty pageant organization embraces them all. But as far as I am concerned, we never Short changed The Muslim Community because we embraced them all. We have thousands of Mosque built all over the World rather The Universe to their dedication.
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Kukay » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:12 pm

esperasave wrote:
Kukay wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Kukay wrote:Tama si esperasave.
But for the wrong reasons .
Ang babaw and really ..kabalbalan lang ang pinagsasabe.
How can esperasave impose sa Islamic countries that they should be tolerant to other religions ? ... porke Christian countries eh tolerant of other religions eh Islamic countries should do the same ? Hindi pede yan oy .
Each country eh meh kanya kanyang sovereignty.
When in Rome , do what the Romans do ... ika nga di ba ?
Pagka you’re in Islamic country ... just follow their laws so you won’t get into trouble .

Sorry na lang senyong mga bakla kayo but I actually researched and studied Islam .
I have religion debate groups ( that’s plural ‘ha ) and we’ve been going on for 15 years na ( we may even outlast Misso . Ha ha ) .
By no means na I’m saying that I’m an expert in Islam or other religions ...but pretty much I’m very confident discussing its origin , its history ( including the pre Islam Arab nations’ religion na paganism ) , the tenet of Islam and their prophecies .
And just so you baklas know ... wala sa Quran ang Islamic prophecies ... it’s in their hadiths . It’s mind boggling ... the biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are total opposites na on a collision course .
I have read parts of the Quran , the Hadiths and Tafsirs...and I really I was this close in actually buying the books and read it in full ... pero my gulay ... it’s really creepy . I’m not nahihiyang sabihin na nakakatakot sobra . Kasi I’ve read not just Islam but yung history mismo ng Quran and how it came to be . Kasi Mohammad did not write the Quran . He was illiterate. No read no write sya . When he became rich and powerful he hired scribes . Eh one of the scribes eh he killed . And if you baklas know about Salman Rushdie’s book na Satanic Verses . .. ngek ... its true pala . Totoong may satanic verses sa Quran .
Yung book pala ni Salman Rushdie eh patama sa Islam kaya galit na galit sa kanya ang mga Muslim .
And get this ... it’s not just Christians questioning Islam , the Quran and its history ... Muslims themselves eh questioning Islam , the Quran and its history . They ask tough questions to Muslim clerics . Eh eto namang mga Muslim clerics eh they tell the truth..they have no choice kasi they are cornered.
Just so you baklas know ... may denominations din ang Islam . Kung may Catholics and Protestants sa Christianity, may Shiite and Sunni naman ang Islam . Sila sila ding mga Muslims eh they discuss and debate din .

Of course ... I will be labeled as spreading islamophobia .
Ba .. in my case eh actually did research and it’s not just a one time deal ... its years and years of research and study .
Kasi for more than 10 years I did believe yung mga haters ng Islam ...sabi ko they are just trolling . Kasi di ba ... I’m from the Philippines and we have Filipino Muslims in mindanao . And my dad pa is from Misamis Occidental tapos my best friend in college eh Muslim ... pero yun nga ... I did research about Islam .


Yes, Muslim too have several denominations just like Christians with Protestants, Born Againsts, Mormons etc. But The equation is not right. The Quran could find its way to The Anglo Saxons, The European Unions, Asia, South America countries etc but The Bible would be considered Contraband in The Arab Muslim Countries so it's prohibited to carry with it over there or else you could beheaded. The Muslims have branded us Islamaphobic when in fact, there's so many Muslim Churches or Mosques built upon our lands. But in Saudi, no other Churches but Mosque.


The Quran clearly says that Muslims should kill the infidels ( Christians and Jews ) kaya hindi katakataka that Islamic countries are very strict against different religions .

But here’s the thing ...
There’s so many things to discuss about this thread .
Kasi maraming aspeto na pedeng ih discuss .
Take for example ang Amerika ....
Sa ngayon pedeng sabihin na very tolerant ang mga kano sa Islam , sa Muslims , sa having possession of the Quran ...kasi right now there’s no immediate danger but it could change in a flash .
Or any other country for that matter .

I edited my original post and added that .... in the future na garantisado na the topic of Islam and the Quran will be relevant kasi it’s in the Islamic prophecies.
Sabi sa Islamic prophecies,,,, Islam will become the dominant religion in the world when their Islamic messiah called The Mahdi will come .
The Mahdi will force everyone to convert to Islam or face death .


It's impossible that Islam would rule the World because their Religion started way after other Religions were born. There were Religion's that was built upon 5,000 years ago while Islam was born at 650 AD. There's a huge gap that Islam should fill in order to Rule The World's Religion and its not gonna happen in today's society. Christianity was formed about 3000 years with The Bible as The Holy Book we lived by. The Holy Bible is a collection of books and is like a library that many authors contributed but every contents are unabridged with the inspiration coming from Almighty God.



Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world right now . Google it .


It just goes to show na wala ka talagang ka muwang muwang .

And there are other events na really showing na nagkaka totoo ang both prophecies sa Bible at sa Quran .
Total opposites ang prophecies sa Bible at sa Quran in terms kung sino sino ang mga hero and villains at sabi ko nga .... they are in a collision course .

I’m so sure ... mawe weird out ang most of the baklas here sa mga things that I posted .
It all new to them .
Ikaw nga mismo ... Hindi mo alam that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world eh it’s so basic .


But this I can say .
So many intellectuals , scholars etc are so into biblical prophecies and also Islamic prophecies . Monitoring talaga worldwide current events .
Blood moon nga di ba eh nasa Bible yan ... at before eh pinag tatawan if people eh talking about blood moon ... eh now blood moons eh very common thing na like it’s nothing .

It’s good not be naive of biblical stuff and prophecies and what’s happening around the world .
Wag aanga anga .
Kasi you need to prepare yourself spiritually .

Anyway ... andae ding ka ek ekan nowadays .
If you say anything against Islam ... you will be labeled as islamophobic .
If you post anything about biblical prophecies ... you will be labeled na dooms day sayer .
People will say you’re over religious , even hypocrite o self righteous na ina angat ang sarili if you’re talking about religion and stuff .
Nek nek nyo ! .... anong self righteous ? Eh andae naman talagang kaganapan worldwide na pointing that we’re nearing or we’re already in the end of days .
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby esperasave » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:18 pm

Kukay wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Kukay wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Kukay wrote:Tama si esperasave.
But for the wrong reasons .
Ang babaw and really ..kabalbalan lang ang pinagsasabe.
How can esperasave impose sa Islamic countries that they should be tolerant to other religions ? ... porke Christian countries eh tolerant of other religions eh Islamic countries should do the same ? Hindi pede yan oy .
Each country eh meh kanya kanyang sovereignty.
When in Rome , do what the Romans do ... ika nga di ba ?
Pagka you’re in Islamic country ... just follow their laws so you won’t get into trouble .

Sorry na lang senyong mga bakla kayo but I actually researched and studied Islam .
I have religion debate groups ( that’s plural ‘ha ) and we’ve been going on for 15 years na ( we may even outlast Misso . Ha ha ) .
By no means na I’m saying that I’m an expert in Islam or other religions ...but pretty much I’m very confident discussing its origin , its history ( including the pre Islam Arab nations’ religion na paganism ) , the tenet of Islam and their prophecies .
And just so you baklas know ... wala sa Quran ang Islamic prophecies ... it’s in their hadiths . It’s mind boggling ... the biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are total opposites na on a collision course .
I have read parts of the Quran , the Hadiths and Tafsirs...and I really I was this close in actually buying the books and read it in full ... pero my gulay ... it’s really creepy . I’m not nahihiyang sabihin na nakakatakot sobra . Kasi I’ve read not just Islam but yung history mismo ng Quran and how it came to be . Kasi Mohammad did not write the Quran . He was illiterate. No read no write sya . When he became rich and powerful he hired scribes . Eh one of the scribes eh he killed . And if you baklas know about Salman Rushdie’s book na Satanic Verses . .. ngek ... its true pala . Totoong may satanic verses sa Quran .
Yung book pala ni Salman Rushdie eh patama sa Islam kaya galit na galit sa kanya ang mga Muslim .
And get this ... it’s not just Christians questioning Islam , the Quran and its history ... Muslims themselves eh questioning Islam , the Quran and its history . They ask tough questions to Muslim clerics . Eh eto namang mga Muslim clerics eh they tell the truth..they have no choice kasi they are cornered.
Just so you baklas know ... may denominations din ang Islam . Kung may Catholics and Protestants sa Christianity, may Shiite and Sunni naman ang Islam . Sila sila ding mga Muslims eh they discuss and debate din .

Of course ... I will be labeled as spreading islamophobia .
Ba .. in my case eh actually did research and it’s not just a one time deal ... its years and years of research and study .
Kasi for more than 10 years I did believe yung mga haters ng Islam ...sabi ko they are just trolling . Kasi di ba ... I’m from the Philippines and we have Filipino Muslims in mindanao . And my dad pa is from Misamis Occidental tapos my best friend in college eh Muslim ... pero yun nga ... I did research about Islam .


Yes, Muslim too have several denominations just like Christians with Protestants, Born Againsts, Mormons etc. But The equation is not right. The Quran could find its way to The Anglo Saxons, The European Unions, Asia, South America countries etc but The Bible would be considered Contraband in The Arab Muslim Countries so it's prohibited to carry with it over there or else you could beheaded. The Muslims have branded us Islamaphobic when in fact, there's so many Muslim Churches or Mosques built upon our lands. But in Saudi, no other Churches but Mosque.


The Quran clearly says that Muslims should kill the infidels ( Christians and Jews ) kaya hindi katakataka that Islamic countries are very strict against different religions .

But here’s the thing ...
There’s so many things to discuss about this thread .
Kasi maraming aspeto na pedeng ih discuss .
Take for example ang Amerika ....
Sa ngayon pedeng sabihin na very tolerant ang mga kano sa Islam , sa Muslims , sa having possession of the Quran ...kasi right now there’s no immediate danger but it could change in a flash .
Or any other country for that matter .

I edited my original post and added that .... in the future na garantisado na the topic of Islam and the Quran will be relevant kasi it’s in the Islamic prophecies.
Sabi sa Islamic prophecies,,,, Islam will become the dominant religion in the world when their Islamic messiah called The Mahdi will come .
The Mahdi will force everyone to convert to Islam or face death .


It's impossible that Islam would rule the World because their Religion started way after other Religions were born. There were Religion's that was built upon 5,000 years ago while Islam was born at 650 AD. There's a huge gap that Islam should fill in order to Rule The World's Religion and its not gonna happen in today's society. Christianity was formed about 3000 years with The Bible as The Holy Book we lived by. The Holy Bible is a collection of books and is like a library that many authors contributed but every contents are unabridged with the inspiration coming from Almighty God.



Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world right now . Google it .


It just goes to show na wala ka talagang ka muwang muwang .

And there are other events na really showing na nagkaka totoo ang both prophecies sa Bible at sa Quran .
Total opposites ang prophecies sa Bible at sa Quran in terms kung sino sino ang mga hero and villains at sabi ko nga .... they are in a collision course .

I’m so sure ... mawe weird out ang most of the baklas here sa mga things that I posted .
It all new to them .
Ikaw nga mismo ... Hindi mo alam that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world eh it’s so basic .


But this I can say .
So many intellectuals , scholars etc are so into biblical prophecies and also Islamic prophecies . Monitoring talaga worldwide current events .
Blood moon nga di ba eh nasa Bible yan ... at before eh pinag tatawan if people eh talking about blood moon ... eh now blood moons eh very common thing na like it’s nothing .

It’s good not be naive of biblical stuff and prophecies and what’s happening around the world .
Wag aanga anga .
Kasi you need to prepare yourself spiritually .

Anyway ... andae ding ka ek ekan nowadays .
If you say anything against Islam ... you will be labeled as islamophobic .
If you post anything about biblical prophecies ... you will be labeled na dooms day sayer .
People will say you’re over religious , even hypocrite o self righteous na ina angat ang sarili if you’re talking about religion and stuff .
Nek nek nyo ! .... anong self righteous ? Eh andae naman talagang kaganapan worldwide na pointing that we’re nearing or we’re already in the end of days .
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Kukay » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:56 pm

In pernes sa mga bakla ...
Hindi lang mga bakla ang allergic sa topics na religion and politics .
People in general eh ayaw talagang ih discuss ang religion and politics .
Gusto lagi eh yung mga hapi hapi na topics .... dapat eh yung masasayang topics lang .

If you discuss religion and politics eh they will put you in a box ... that you’re weird ..you’re a nerd ... purveyor ng hate among people na with different views ...na you’re nagmama galing .... nag dudunung dunungan etc etc etc .

Very divisive naman talaga ang topics na religion and politics.
And people na nasa both ends of the spectrum eh very passionate about it ..at meron talagang mga extremists na radical .
But then there are those na intellectually analyzing it with their feet on the ground at very realistic ... pawang katotohanan lamang . That’s where I consider myself...and it’s very uplifting na marami palang just like me ..na closely watching current events and correlating it to what the Bible says . That’s the only choice . You can’t be unga unga at tatanga tanga lang . People need to prepare to be strong spiritually . And more importantly... it’s all in the Bible . Kasi if you will read the Pauline epistles ... yung mga letters ni Paul sa New Testament eh ... he’s ALWAYS ... as in ALWAYS giving greetings and encouragements to his fellow Christians .
Yung greetings ni Paul ... that’s huge . Kasi if you’re by yourself feeling like a lone wolf ...na being accused na self righteous at kung ano ano pa ... yung greetings ni Paul eh recognition that you’re not alone .
And of course ... yung encouragements ni Paul ... it’s food for the soul .
Mahirap naman talaga to be a Christian at alam yun ni Paul .
Hindi ko inaangat ang sarili ko ...I’m just everybody else na sinner din .
Pero yun nga ... it’s good to know ... na marami pala na just like me .. I have a religion debate groups . The topic of religion is never boring .
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Kukay » Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:24 pm

Sino bayang bakla nayan na nag thumbs down saken ?
Puti na nga ang font ko eh .... aba ... effort talaga ang bakla to read it at wagas na nag thumbs down .

:%)) :%)) :%))

=;)) =;)) =;))

I’m very well aware naman that my post is not for everyone .
It’s not for mga balat sibuyas na babakla bakla .
It’s for sa mga mandirigma ... na mababangis makipag debate about religions... especially those who did serious research about Islam .
Kung meron kang angal sa posts ko ...aba ...show us what’s inside your kokote . Ano ba ang alam mo about Islam ? Alam mo ba ang sinasabi sa Koran ? Alam mo ba ang history ng Islam ? Do you even know the origin ng Islamic people ? Do you even know what the Muslim clerics are saying ? Clerics kasi they are the experts and teachers of Islam . Clerics kasi eh equivalent ng mga pari sa Catholicism . Ako kasi I watched the debates and discussions ng mga Muslims mismo . Like I said ... sila sila mismong mga Muslims eh they debate each other . And there’s fighting mismo within Islam ... Most prominently eh pertaining to the Mahdi ... yung their Islamic messiah . So many want to restore the Caliphate . The Caliph is the sole ultimate leader of all Islamic countries..The Mahdi is the caliph that all Muslims are waiting for .... and so many are claiming to be the Mahdi not just sa present time but also from the past . The most recent eh yung si Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi na leader ng ISIS na napatay ni Trump .
ISIS is using black flags for a reason ... kasi it’s in the Islamic prophecy na ... “ There will be black flags from Khorazan and know that the Mahdi will be with them “ .


Anyway...esperasave doesn’t know that he actually opened a can of worms ... a Pandora’s box if you will .
There’s so many things to discuss about Islam and it’s multi layered. One thread will not suffice ... one sitting will not be enough ... and most importantly... timing is very important... like now ...it’s not appropriate or not fashionable or hindi uso to discuss religion and Islam ... but like i said ... in the future it will be ... that’s guaranteed ! The experts , the intellectuals, the scholars etc are just monitoring and following sa mga events most especially dyan sa Middle East . Eh right now people are distracted sa pandemic at dyan sa Russia Ukraine war .

Eh if you will examine closely ... yang pandemic nayan at yang Russia Ukraine war nayan ... eh kasama naman yan sa biblical prophecies... sabi ni Jesus Christ there will be pestilence ... that there will wars and rumors of war .
Like I said ... biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are happening right now ... and both are interconnected.... and are on a collision course .

Islam as the fastest growing religion in the world , yang rise of ISIS , the search and the wait for the coming of the Islamic messiah called the Mahdi eh lahat yan nasa Islamic prophecy .

Yang pandemic nayan , yang Russia Ukraine war and so many other events eh nasa Bible prophecies.

I would just like to reiterate na ang topic about Islam is too broad na one thread will not suffice ... and that esperasave does not realize that he opened a can of worms /Pandora’s box.

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Postby esperasave » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:35 am

Kukay wrote:Sino bayang bakla nayan na nag thumbs down saken ?
Puti na nga ang font ko eh .... aba ... effort talaga ang bakla to read it at wagas na nag thumbs down .

:%)) :%)) :%))

=;)) =;)) =;))

I’m very well aware naman that my post is not for everyone .
It’s not for mga balat sibuyas na babakla bakla .
It’s for sa mga mandirigma ... na mababangis makipag debate about religions... especially those who did serious research about Islam .
Kung meron kang angal sa posts ko ...aba ...show us what’s inside your kokote . Ano ba ang alam mo about Islam ? Alam mo ba ang sinasabi sa Koran ? Alam mo ba ang history ng Islam ? Do you even know the origin ng Islamic people ? Do you even know what the Muslim clerics are saying ? Clerics kasi they are the experts and teachers of Islam . Clerics kasi eh equivalent ng mga pari sa Catholicism . Ako kasi I watched the debates and discussions ng mga Muslims mismo . Like I said ... sila sila mismong mga Muslims eh they debate each other . And there’s fighting mismo within Islam ... Most prominently eh pertaining to the Mahdi ... yung their Islamic messiah . So many want to restore the Caliphate . The Caliph is the sole ultimate leader of all Islamic countries..The Mahdi is the caliph that all Muslims are waiting for .... and so many are claiming to be the Mahdi not just sa present time but also from the past . The most recent eh yung si Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi na leader ng ISIS na napatay ni Trump .
ISIS is using black flags for a reason ... kasi it’s in the Islamic prophecy na ... “ There will be black flags from Khorazan and know that the Mahdi will be with them “ .


Anyway...esperasave doesn’t know that he actually opened a can of worms ... a Pandora’s box if you will .
There’s so many things to discuss about Islam and it’s multi layered. One thread will not suffice ... one sitting will not be enough ... and most importantly... timing is very important... like now ...it’s not appropriate or not fashionable or hindi uso to discuss religion and Islam ... but like i said ... in the future it will be ... that’s guaranteed ! The experts , the intellectuals, the scholars etc are just monitoring and following sa mga events most especially dyan sa Middle East . Eh right now people are distracted sa pandemic at dyan sa Russia Ukraine war .

Eh if you will examine closely ... yang pandemic nayan at yang Russia Ukraine war nayan ... eh kasama naman yan sa biblical prophecies... sabi ni Jesus Christ there will be pestilence ... that there will wars and rumors of war .
Like I said ... biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are happening right now ... and both are interconnected.... and are on a collision course .

Islam as the fastest growing religion in the world , yang rise of ISIS , the search and the wait for the coming of the Islamic messiah called the Mahdi eh lahat yan nasa Islamic prophecy .

Yang pandemic nayan , yang Russia Ukraine war and so many other events eh nasa Bible prophecies.

I would just like to reiterate na ang topic about Islam is too broad na one thread will not suffice ... and that esperasave does not realize that he opened a can of worms /Pandora’s box.



It's not too broad but its not fair for all people of The World. Why Saudi Arabia and other Arab Muslim Nations doesn't allow The Bible, The Catholic or Christian Churches, Shintoism, Judaism, Hinduism to profilerate in Those Nations While The Rest of The Places in The World had Their Mosques, Koran to Proliferate in Anglo Saxon Nations, Africa, Asia, European Unions and All of The Nations of The World. IT IS NOT FAIR. THEN THEY WOULD ACCUSE US TO BE ISLAMAPHOBIC.
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Re: HYPOCRISY AT IT’S BEST

Postby Kukay » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:52 pm

esperasave wrote:
Kukay wrote:Sino bayang bakla nayan na nag thumbs down saken ?
Puti na nga ang font ko eh .... aba ... effort talaga ang bakla to read it at wagas na nag thumbs down .

:%)) :%)) :%))

=;)) =;)) =;))

I’m very well aware naman that my post is not for everyone .
It’s not for mga balat sibuyas na babakla bakla .
It’s for sa mga mandirigma ... na mababangis makipag debate about religions... especially those who did serious research about Islam .
Kung meron kang angal sa posts ko ...aba ...show us what’s inside your kokote . Ano ba ang alam mo about Islam ? Alam mo ba ang sinasabi sa Koran ? Alam mo ba ang history ng Islam ? Do you even know the origin ng Islamic people ? Do you even know what the Muslim clerics are saying ? Clerics kasi they are the experts and teachers of Islam . Clerics kasi eh equivalent ng mga pari sa Catholicism . Ako kasi I watched the debates and discussions ng mga Muslims mismo . Like I said ... sila sila mismong mga Muslims eh they debate each other . And there’s fighting mismo within Islam ... Most prominently eh pertaining to the Mahdi ... yung their Islamic messiah . So many want to restore the Caliphate . The Caliph is the sole ultimate leader of all Islamic countries..The Mahdi is the caliph that all Muslims are waiting for .... and so many are claiming to be the Mahdi not just sa present time but also from the past . The most recent eh yung si Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi na leader ng ISIS na napatay ni Trump .
ISIS is using black flags for a reason ... kasi it’s in the Islamic prophecy na ... “ There will be black flags from Khorazan and know that the Mahdi will be with them “ .


Anyway...esperasave doesn’t know that he actually opened a can of worms ... a Pandora’s box if you will .
There’s so many things to discuss about Islam and it’s multi layered. One thread will not suffice ... one sitting will not be enough ... and most importantly... timing is very important... like now ...it’s not appropriate or not fashionable or hindi uso to discuss religion and Islam ... but like i said ... in the future it will be ... that’s guaranteed ! The experts , the intellectuals, the scholars etc are just monitoring and following sa mga events most especially dyan sa Middle East . Eh right now people are distracted sa pandemic at dyan sa Russia Ukraine war .

Eh if you will examine closely ... yang pandemic nayan at yang Russia Ukraine war nayan ... eh kasama naman yan sa biblical prophecies... sabi ni Jesus Christ there will be pestilence ... that there will wars and rumors of war .
Like I said ... biblical prophecies and Islamic prophecies are happening right now ... and both are interconnected.... and are on a collision course .

Islam as the fastest growing religion in the world , yang rise of ISIS , the search and the wait for the coming of the Islamic messiah called the Mahdi eh lahat yan nasa Islamic prophecy .

Yang pandemic nayan , yang Russia Ukraine war and so many other events eh nasa Bible prophecies.

I would just like to reiterate na ang topic about Islam is too broad na one thread will not suffice ... and that esperasave does not realize that he opened a can of worms /Pandora’s box.



It's not too broad but its not fair for all people of The World. Why Saudi Arabia and other Arab Muslim Nations doesn't allow The Bible, The Catholic or Christian Churches, Shintoism, Judaism, Hinduism to profilerate in Those Nations While The Rest of The Places in The World had Their Mosques, Koran to Proliferate in Anglo Saxon Nations, Africa, Asia, European Unions and All of The Nations of The World. IT IS NOT FAIR. THEN THEY WOULD ACCUSE US TO BE ISLAMAPHOBIC.


Anong Islam is not too broad of a topic ?
Sangkatutak ang pwedeng ih discuss about Islam .

Do you even know that the Quran says that everyone will go to hell including Muslims ?

I’m not kidding .

Sabi ng Koran eh lahat eh mapupunta sa impierno including you !


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According to surah 19:70-72, everyone will enter into hell, including Muslims. Allah will then bring out the god-fearing:

Then We shall pluck forth from every party whichever of them was the most hardened in disdain of the All-merciful; then We shall know very well those most deserving to burn there. Not one of you there is, but he shall go down to it (wariduha); that for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined. Then We shall deliver those that were godfearing; and the evildoers We shall leave there, hobbling on their knees. A.J. Arberry

Many Muslims have tried to deny that the text says that everyone will enter hell. They argue that the expression "go down" (wurood) doesn’t necessarily mean to enter hell, but it can also mean to pass through or over. Some will even argue that the text is simply saying that people will cross over hell into Paradise on a bridge called Sirat, even though the Quran nowhere alludes to such a bridge. The late A.Y. Ali wrote:

Three interpretations are possible, (1) The GENERAL interpretation is that EVERYONE must pass through or by or over the Fire. Those who have Taqwa (see n. 26 to ii.2) will be saved by Allah’s Mercy, while unrepentant sinners will suffer the torments in ignominy, (2) If we refer the pronoun "you" to those "in obstinate rebellion" in verse 69 above, both leaders and followers in sin, this verse only applies to the wicked, (3) Some refer this verse to the Bridge over Hell, the Bridge Sirat, over which all must pass to their final Destiny. This Bridge is not mentioned in the Qur’an. (Ali, The Holy Qur’an: Translation and Commentary, fn. 2518; underline and capital emphasis ours)

Pay close attention to Yusuf Ali’s claim that the general Muslim understanding of the passage has been that everyone will have to pass through, by or over the Fire. The late Muhammad Asad stated:

55 Lit., "none of you but will reach it". According to SOME of the classical authorities, the pronoun "you" relates to the sinners spoken of in the preceding passages, and particularly to those who refuse to believe in resurrection; the MAJORITY of the commentators, however, are of the opinion that ALL HUMAN BEINGS, sinners and righteous alike, are comprised within this address in the sense that all "will come within sight of it": hence my rendering. (Source; capital and italic emphasis ours)

Despite Asad’s rendering of the Arabic as "will come within sight of it", his candid admission that the majority of Islamic scholarship held the position that the verse is addressing every person is quite significant. We will have more to say about this point later on.

For a sample of Muslim responses please consult the following articles: [1], [2].

Instead of responding here to all the objections we will provide a host of translations, hadiths and commentaries to see how those Muslims understood the passage. We want to see whether Muslims have traditionally interpreted this passage to imply that everyone will enter hell. We will then, in the second part, take a look at a specific Muslim response and see whether the arguments presented hold any real weight.

To make it easier for our readers to follow our arguments, we break down our article into the following sections.

The Translations
The Quran’s Use of wurood
The Hadiths
The Muslim Commentators

Summary Analysis

A Contradiction

1. The Translations

Here is how both Muslims and non-Muslims render the word wurood in S. 19:71.

Muslim Translations

There is not one of you but shall approach it… Pickthall

Not one of you but will pass over it… Y. Ali

And there is not one of you but shall pass over it… Daryabadi

There is not a single one of you, who shall not pass over it… F. Malik

There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell)… Hilali-Khan

And there is not one of you but shall come to it… M.M Ali

And every one of you will come within sight of it… Asad

And there is not one of you but shall come to it… Shakir

And there is not one of you but will come to it… Sher Ali

And there is none of you except he will come to it… SAHEEH INTERNATIONAL

there is not one of you but he will be led up to it… T.B. Irving

Every single one of you must see it… Khalifa

There is none among you, (O those condemned to Hell!), but shall reach there (- the Hell)… Amatul & ‘Abdul Manan ‘Omar

It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be taken to hell. Muhammad Sarwar

Non-Muslim translations

There is not one of you who shall not pass through it… N.J. Dawood

There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same [hell]… George Sale

No one is there of you who shall not go down unto it… J.M. Rodwell

Rodwell’s footnote 25 reads:

Even the pious on their way to Paradise are to pass the confines of Hell. (Source)

The preceding renderings make one thing clear. Muslim translators, for the most part, are more likely to render the passage in such a way as to deny that everyone will enter hell. Sarwar is the exception, with the translations of SAHEEH INTERNATIONAL, Irving and the Omar brothers implying that men will enter.

On the other hand, the non-Muslims render the phrase to mean actual entrance into hell, with the exception of Dawood.

Since the translations are not conclusive at this point, we now turn our attention to the Quran itself.


2. The Quran’s Use of Wurood

In several places the Quran uses different forms of the word wurood in the same context of people entering hell.

He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them into the Fire (fa awradahumu alnnara) (as cattle are led to water): But woeful indeed will be the place to which they are led! S. 11:98 Y. Ali

But the sinners will we drive unto (wirdan) Hell, like flocks driven to the watering. S. 19:86 Rodwell

Verily, ye, and what ye worship beside God, shall be fuel for hell: ye shall go down into it (waridoona). S. 21:98 Rodwell

The only possible meaning in these contexts is that evildoers will actually enter into hell itself. Interestingly, 19:86 appears in the same surah just some fifteen verses after 19:71. Since these contexts are virtually identical to 19:71 it therefore follows to reason that the meaning will be the same as well, especially when some fifteen verses later the same word is used in connection with sinners literally entering hell.

Furthermore, the verse right after 19:71 supports the view that people will literally enter hell:

"And there is not one of you but will come to it. This is an absolute decree of thy Lord. And WE shall save the righteous, and shall leave the wrongdoers therein, on their knees."

The statement that Allah will deliver the righteous and leave the wrongdoer in hell presumes that the righteous are in there as well.

Hence, the usage of the term wurood within the Quran in contexts similar to 19:71, as well as the immediate context of the passage itself, conclusively point in the direction of all people, including all Muslims, having to enter into hell for a short while.


3. The Hadiths

The hadiths provide evidence for the view that Muslims will enter hell and then come out. We do need to be cautious here. The hadiths do not indicate that ALL Muslims will enter hell. They suggest that there will be many Muslims in hell which Allah will bring out on the basis of Muhammad’s intercession.

SAHIH AL-BUKHARI

… Anas then said, "Muhammad talked to us saying, 'On the Day of Resurrection THE PEOPLE will surge with each other like waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, 'Please intercede for us with your Lord.'…

They would come to me and I would say, 'I am for that.' Then I will ask for my Lord's permission, and it will be given, and then He will inspire me to praise Him with such praises as I do not know now. So I will praise Him with those praises and will fall down, prostrate before Him. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for your will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My followers!' And then it will be said, 'Go and take out of Hell (Fire) all those who have faith in their hearts, equal to the weight of a barley grain.' I will go and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down (prostrate) before Him. Then it will be said, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers! My followers!' It will be said, 'Go and take out of it all those who have faith in their hearts equal to the weight of a small ant or a mustard seed.' I will go and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down in prostration before Him. It will be said, 'O, Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, my followers!' Then He will say, 'Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of the Fire.' I will go and do so."' …

Anas told me the same as he told you and said that the prophet added, 'I then return for a fourth time and praise Him similarly and prostrate before Him. He asks me the same as he did, 'O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request): and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will say, 'O Lord, allow me to intercede for whoever said, 'None has the right to be worshiped except Allah.' Then Allah will say, 'By my Power, and my Majesty, and by My Supremacy, and by My Greatness, I will take out of Hell (Fire) whoever said: 'None has the right to be worshipped except Allah.'" (Volume 9, Book 93, Number 601)

SAHIH MUSLIM

… It would be said to me: O Muhammad, raise your head, and say and it would be heard; ask and it would be granted; intercede and intercession would be accepted. So I would say: My people, my people. It would be said to me: Go and take out from it (Hell) him who has in his heart faith equal to the weight of a mustard seed. I would go and do that. I would again return to my Lord and extol Him with those praises. I would then fall in prostration. It would be said to me: O Muhammad, raise your head: say, and you would be listened to; ask and it would be granted; intercede and intercession would be accepted. I would say: My Lord, my people, my people. It would be said to me: Go, and bring out of the Fire him who has in his heart as much faith as the smallest, smallest, smallest grain of mustard seed. I would go and do that. (Book 1, Number 377)

HADITH QUDSI 36

The believers will gather together on the Day of Resurrection and will say: Should we not ask [someone] to intercede for us with our Lord? So they will come to Adam and will say: You are the Father of mankind; Allah created you with His hand He made His angels bow down to you and He taught you the names of everything, so intercede for us with you Lord so that He may give us relief form this place where we are. And he will say: I am not in a position [to do that] - and he will mention his wrongdoing and will feel ashamed and will say: Go to Noah, for he is the first messenger that Allah sent to the inhabitants of the earth… So they will come to me and I shall set forth to ask permission to come to my Lord, and permission will be given, and when I shall see my Lord I shall prostrate myself. He will leave me thus for such time as it pleases Him, and then it will be said [to me]: Raise your head. Ask and it will be granted. Speak and it will be heard. Intercede and your intercession will be accepted. So I shall raise my head and praise Him with a form of praise that He will teach me. Then I shall intercede and HE will set me a limit [as to the number of people], so I shall admit them into Paradise. Then I shall return to Him, and when I shall see my Lord [I shall bow down] as before. Then I shall intercede and He will set me a limit [as to the number of people]. So I shall admit them into Paradise. Then I shall return for a third time, then a fourth, and I shall say: There remains in Hell-fire only those whom the Quran has confined and who must be there for eternity. There shall come out of Hell-fire he who has said: There is no god but Allah and who has in his heart goodness weighing a barley-corn; then there shall come out of Hell-fire he who has said: There is no god but Allah and who has in his heart goodness weighing a grain of wheat; then there shall come out of Hell-fire he who has said: There is no god but Allah and who has in his heart goodness weighing an atom.

It was related by al-Bukhari (also by Muslim, at-Tirmidhi, and Ibn Majah). (Source)

The following tradition indicates that others will intercede for people in hell and be heard:

Narrated Anas ibn Malik

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "The inhabitants of Hell will be drawn up in line, and when one of the inhabitants of Paradise passes them one of them will say, 'So and so, do you not recognise me? I am the one who gave you a drink.' And one of them will say, 'I am the one who gave you water for ablution.' He will then intercede for him and bring him into Paradise."

Ibn Majah transmitted it. (Al-Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 1473– taken from the ALIM CD-ROM version)

These traditions demonstrate the plausibility of interpreting 19:71 to mean that every Muslim will enter hell. After all, if Allah allows bad Muslims to enter hell and then come out due to Muhammad’s intercession, then he can also allow good Muslims to enter there as well.

More importantly, these hadiths do not necessarily state that Muhammad is interceding simply for bad Muslims. The context says that the people, specifically believers, will look for help from the prophets, without stating that these are evildoers. Thus, the natural implication is that everyone will seek aid from the prophets on the Day of Judgment with Muhammad specifically interceding for Muslims, whether good or bad.

It seems that Allah’s purpose in doing this is to allow the Muslims to better appreciate his "grace" and the "blessings" of Paradise after having experienced hellfire for a while.

There is one hadith, however, which states that mankind in general will enter hell and come out, some faster than others, depending on their deeds (or lack thereof):

Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Mankind WILL GO DOWN TO HELL and then COME UP up from it because of their deeds, the first of them like a flash of lighting, the next like the wind, the next like a horse's gallop, the next like one riding on his pack-saddle, the next like a man's running, the next like his walking." Tirmidhi transmitted it. (Tirmidhi Hadith, Number 1475- ALIM CD-ROM Version)

This narration provides support for understanding surah 19:71 to be referring to all mankind entering hell.

In fact, here is another narration which indicates that Allah's promise to send people to hell also includes Muslims:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Any Muslim who has lost three of his children will not be touched by the Fire except that which will render Allah's oath fulfilled." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 78, Number 650)

The Quran translators Al-Hilali and Khan quote this hadith in their commentary on surah 19:71 and state that the oath mentioned in this narration refers to the promise made by Allah in this very Quranic verse to send people to hell:

* Allah's Oath alluded to here is the Qur'anic Verse: "There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell), this is with your Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished." (V. 19:71) (Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud Din Al-Hilali & Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Interpretation of the Meanings of the Noble Qur'an: With Comments from Tafsir At-Tabari, Tafsir Al-Qurtubi and Tafsir Ibn Kathir and Ahadith from Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and other Ahadith Books [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, Riyadh, Lahore, Houston, New York, First Edition: January 2000], Part 4. From Surah 16 to 20, p. 400, fn. to Q. 19:71)

Thus, the above narrative substantiates that Allah’s decree in surah 19:71 means that even Muslims will be sent to hell!


4. The Muslim Commentators

Our dear brother Dimitrius, a very fine Christian gentleman, writer, apologist in his own right, translated the following section entirely from the Arabic. Needless to say, this section would not have been possible without Dimitrius’ hard efforts in producing it. For that, we are completely grateful to him for taking time out of his busy schedule to assist us. May our risen and immortal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ richly bless this young soldier and his family with God’s eternal riches. Amen.

Dimitrius writes:

Here are the translations of all four commentaries of Surah 19:71 (Muslims going through hell) given by Ibn Kathir, Jalalayn, Qurtubi and Tabari.

I need to make a few notes about the translation itself.

All four commentaries agree that the meaning of the word wurood means to enter and pass through hell. However, they also present the other lesser authoritative opinions on the topic, i.e. like wurood meaning to "walk over hell" but not actually into hell, or that wurood could mean to be sick on earth with a fever so you don’t go to hell in the afterlife.

The last two explanations of course don’t make sense but the commentators have included the quotes of people who make these claims. Please note that the majority of quotes are of the opinion that Muslims will go into hell like everyone else, and then later Allah will save them and take them out of the fire, or the intercession of the prophets and other Muslims will remove them from hell. If you notice, Jalalyn’s commentary is only one sentence long and it says that all Muslims must go into hell…

I have tried to translate the entire commentaries word for word as opposed to re-phrasing the meaning in my own words. I have not inserted any personal statements into the translation. However, it was at times necessary to add a word to make the sentence read better and in those cases I placed the word I added in brackets ( ).Usually this was done when the commentator keeps referring to "it" in a long sentence and I would have to write (in brackets) what the "it" was referring to.

Another point to keep in mind is that the commentator’s writing style is lengthy, unformatted and loaded with run-on sentences. At other times their sentences are only 2 or 3 words long. Basically, their style is very unstructured when writing an explanation. As a matter of fact, each of their commentaries on a verse in the Arabic version is one long paragraph that runs several pages long.

This brings me to the next point. The majority of their writing has to do with quoting narrators who said such and such a thing. As a result, the phrase "narrated by" and "said" is repeated over and over again. This may require you to look at the punctuation

I have used at the beginning and end of quotes. I also had to break up the commentary into sectioned paragraph, where the topic changes.

Again, this translation is word for word, with no personal comments added. I only re-organized the format but did not change the content. I suggest that you allow someone fluent in both English and Arabic… read the original and the translated commentaries to assess its accuracy. I’m pretty confident that I have captured it all but its best to double check.

And now on to the translations. All capital and underline emphasis ours.

Ibn Kathir’s Commentary

Surah 19:71 Not one of you but will pass through it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

Imam Ahmad narrated that Sulaiman Ibn Harb narrated that Khalid Ibn Sulaiman narrated that Kathir Ibn Ziad Al- Barsani narrated that Abu Sumaya said, "We differed about the meaning of ‘Passing through it’ (wari-duha). For some of us said that no believer will enter hell and others said all (people) shall enter it and then Allah will save those who have done righteousness. Then I met Jabir Ibn Abdallah and I informed him that we differed about the meaning of, ‘Pass through it,’ and he replied that, "EVERYONE SHALL ENTER IT."

Also Sulaiman Ibn Murrah said THAT EVERYONE SHALL ENTER IT (hell). Then he placed his fingers near his ears and said, "I would have remained silent had I not heard the apostle of Allah -pbuh- say, ‘There shall not remain a righteous or sinful person but shall enter hell. To the believer the fire will be cool and pleasant as it was to Abraham to the point that hell will be noisy because the believers are cold. Then Allah will save those who have avoided (evil) and greatly torment the sinners in it.’"

Also narrated by Hassan Ibn Arfa, narrated by Marwan Ibn Miss Universe’awiya, narrated by Bahar Ibn Abu Marwan, narrated by Khalid Ibn Ma’dan who stated, "The people of paradise said after they entered paradise, ‘Didn’t our Lord promise that we will pass through hell?’ And they will be told, ‘You passed through it (hell) while it’s flames were calm.’"

Also narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Ibn Ayena, narrated by Ismail Ibn Abu Khalid, narrated by Qais Ibn Abu Hazem who said that Abdallah Ibn Rawaha placed his head on his wife’s lap and BEGAN TO WEEP, so his wife began to weep also. So he asked her, "Why are you weeping?" She responded, "I saw you weeping and so I started to weep." He said, "I remembered the saying of Allah - who is glorified and exalted- (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ AND I DON’T KNOW IF I WILL BE SAVED FROM IT OR NOT." In another narration it adds the phrase, ‘he said this while he was ill.’

Also narrated by Ibn Jarir, narrated by Abu Kurayb, narrated by Ibn Yaman, narrated by Malik Ibn Maghul, narrated by Ibn Ishaq who said, "Whenever Abu Maysarah would lie down on his bed he would say, ‘I wish my mother had never bore me.’ And then he would begin to weep. When asked why he was weeping he would respond, ‘We were told that WE WOULD ENTER HELL, BUT WE WEREN’T TOLD THAT WE WOULD EXIT FROM IT.’"

Also narrated by Abdallah Ibn Al-Mubarak, narrated by Al-Hassan Al-Basri who said, "A man said to his brother ‘Have you been told that you shall enter hell?’ The brother answered ‘YES.’ He then asked, ‘Have you also been told that you shall exit from it?’ The brother responded ‘NO.’ So he asked, ‘Then why the laughter?’ The brother responded, ‘I have not seen a person laugh until he joined Allah.’

Narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Ibn Ayena narrated by Amru who told us that he heard Ibn Abbas feud with Nafi Ibn Al-Azraq regarding the meaning of, ‘Entering (Al-wurood).’ He said it meant ‘Entering (Hell),’ but Nafi disagreed. Thus Ibn Abbas read (Surah 21:98) "‘Verily ye, and the gods that ye worship besides Allah, are but fuel for Hell! To it will ye surely will enter (Wardan),’ and asked did they enter or not? He also read (Surah 11:98) ‘He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them (Awrada-hum) into the fire: but woeful indeed will be the place (Wird) to which they are led (Al-mawrud)!’ Did they enter or not? As for you and I, WE WILL ENTER IT but let us see if we will exit from it and I don’t see Allah taking you out of it because you lie (regarding its meaning)." Nafi then laughed.

Narrated by Ibn Jarir, narrated by Atta who stated that Abu Rashid Al-Harury, who is called Nafi Ibn Al-Azraq, said, "They (the believers) will not hear hell’s roar." So Ibn Abbas responded, "Woe to you! Are you insane? What of Allah’s verse (Surah 11:98) ‘He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them (Awrada-hum) into the fire,’ and also the verse (Surah 19:86) ‘And We shall drive the sinners to hell being lead (Wirdan)’? And also the verse (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass (Waridu-ha) through it’? By Allah, the supplication of those who lived previously used to be, ‘O Allah TAKE ME OUT OF HELL FIRE peacefully and allow me to enter paradise victorious.’"

Narrated by Ibn Jarir, narrated by Muhammad Ibn Ubaid Al-Mihrabu, narrated by Asbat, narrated by Abdel Malik, narrated by Ubaid Allah narrated by Mujahid who said, "I was in the company of Ibn Abbas when a man called Abu Rashid, who is also known as Nafi Al-Azraq, came and asked Ibn Abbas, ‘Have you seen the saying of Allah (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished?’ Ibn Abbas replied, ‘As for you and I, O Abu Rashid, WE SHALL ENTER IT (hell), but let us see WHETHER we shall exit from it or not.’"

Narrated by Abu Dawud Al-Tayalisi, narrated by Sha’aba, narrated by Abdallah Ibn Al-Sa’ib about those who heard Ibn Abbas read the verse (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it,’ meaning the infidels. This is how it was narrated by Amru Ibn Al-Walid Al-Basti that he heard Ikrimah read it likewise.

Also narrated by Al-Awfi, narrated by Ibn Abbas who said, "(Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it’ means that the righteous and the sinner (shall enter hell). For don’t you hear what Allah said to Pharaoh (Surah 11:98) ‘He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them (Awrada-hum) into the fire,’ and also the verse (Surah 19:86) ‘And We shall drive the sinners to hell being lead (Wirdan)’? So he called ‘passing through’ (Wird) AN ENTRY INTO HELL AND NOT AN EXIT OUT OF IT."

Narrated by Imam Ahmed, narrated by Abdel Rahman, narrated by Israel, narrated by Al-Suddi, narrated by Murrah, narrated by Abdallah, who is known as Ibn Mas’ud, regarding (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it.’ The prophet said, "All people will enter (Yarud) hell and exit it by their deeds." This was also narrated by Al-Tirmidhi, narrated by Abd Ibn Hamid, narrated by Ubaid Allah, narrated by Israel, narrated by Al-Suddi. This was also narrated through Shu’bah, narrated by Al-Suddi, narrated by Murrah, narrated by Ibn Mas’ud.

It was also narrated by Asbat, narrated by Al-Suddi, narrated by Ibn Mas’ud who said, "All people shall walk (Yarud) on the (bridge) of Sirat and pass through (wu-rooda-hum) the fires of hell, then they will exit the (bridge) of Sirat by their deeds. Some of them will pass (as fast) as lightning; some of them will pass (as fast) as the wind; some of them will pass (as fast) as birds; some of them will pass (as fast) as running horses; some of them will pass (as fast) as running beasts, some of them will pass (running) as a man’s enemy so that the last one of them (passing) will have light shining only on the toes of his feet and the Sirat (bridge) will then be full. The Sirat (bridge) will be slippery with many thorns like a thorn bush. On either side of it will be angels with fiery shackles used for capturing people." This same hadith was also narrated by Ibn Abu Hatim.

Narrated by Ibn Jarir, narrated by Khalid Ibn Aslam, narrated by Al-Nadir, narrated by Israel, narrated by Abu Ishaq, narrated by Abu Al-Ahwas, narrated by Abdallah who stated that regarding verse (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it,’ the bridge of Sirat that passes through hell is as sharp as a sword. The first layer of people will pass as lightning, the second as the wind, the third as running horses, the fourth as running beasts. As they pass the angels will say, "O Allah save, save." To this hadith there are many references in both Sahih (Bukhari and Muslim) and others from the narration of Ans and Abu Sa’id and Abu Huraira and Jabir and others from among the companions, may Allah be pleased with them.

Narrated by Ibn Jarir, narrated by Yaqub, narrated by Ibn Alia, narrated by Al-Jariri, narrated by Abu Al-Salik, narrated by Ghunaim, narrated by Qais who stated that regarding, ‘entering (wurood) hell,’ Ka’b related, "Hell fire will hold on to people with great intensity so that the soles of the feet of ALL PEOPLE, both RIGHTEOUS and sinners, will be charred. Then one will cry out to hell saying, ‘Hold on to your people AND LET MY PEOPLE GO. Then hell will know who belongs to it better than a man knows his own son and the believers will exit with whitened garments.’" Ka’b also added that the distance between one guardian (of hell) and the next is a year’s travel. Each one of them holds a column containing two branches and with one thrust of the column, 70,000 people are thrown into the fire.

Narrated by Imam Ahmad, narrated by Abu Miss Universe’awiya, narrated by Al-A’mash, narrated by Abu Sufyan, narrated by Jabir, narrated by Um Bashir, narrated by Hafsa who related that the prophet -pbuh- said, "It is my wish that those who participated in the battles of Badr and Hudaibiyah will not enter hell, Allah willing." Hafsa then asked, "Doesn’t Allah say (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it?’ The prophet then replied (Surah 19:72) ‘Then we will save those who have avoided (evil)."

In both Sahih (of Bukhari and Muslim) there is a hadith narrated by Al-Zuhri, narrated by Sa’id, narrated by Abu Huraira - may Allah be pleased with him- who related that the prophet - pbuh- said, "No Muslim whose three children die will have the fires of hell touch him, for he will be saved by the oath of (Allah)." This was also narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Ma’mar, narrated by Al-Zuhri narrated by Ibn Al-Maseeb, narrated by Abu Huraira who related that the prophet said, "If a person’s three children die the fire (of hell) will not touch him, he will be saved from it by (Allah’s) oath." This was the meaning of entry (wurood). Abu Zuhri stated this regarding (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.’

Narrated by Jarir, narrated by Imran Ibn Bakar Al-Kila’i, narrated by Abu Mughira, narrated by Abdel Rahman Ibn Yazid Ibn Tamim, narrated by Ismail ibn Ubaid Allah, narrated by Abu Salih, narrated by Abu Huraira who related that he was with the prophet -pbuh- who went out looking for one of his companions who was ill with a fever and said, "Allah the exalted says, ‘It is My fire that I impose on my believing servant, that it may be his portion of fire in the afterlife.’"

Narrated by Abu Kurayb, narrated by Abu Al-Yaman, narrated by Uthman Ibn Al-Aswad, narrated by Mujahid who related that fever is every believer’s portion of hell fire and then he recited (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it.’

Narrated by Imam Ahmad, narrated by Hassan, narrated by Ibn Luhay’a, narrated by Zaban Ibn Fa’id, narrated by Sahil Ibn Miss Universe’ath Ibn Ans Al Juhani, narrated by his father who related that the prophet said, "He who reads the verse, ‘Say Allah is one,’ and completes it ten times, Allah will build a palace for him in paradise." Then Umar responded, "O prophet of Allah, then we will increase (the number of times we recite it)." The prophet replied, "Allah is the increase and more pleasant." The prophet also said, "He who reads a thousand verses for the sake of Allah will be written on the day of resurrection as being among the prophets, believers, martyrs and righteous who are worthy companions, if Allah wills it. He who voluntarily stands guard behind Muslims for the sake of Allah, not being forced to do so by a sultan, his eyes will not see the fires of hell for the oath (of Allah) rescues him."

Allah the exalted stated, (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ and reciting (the Quran) for the sake of Allah is worth 700 times more than charity; in another narration it is stated worth 700,000 times more than charity.

Narrated by Abu Dawud, narrated by Abu Tha’hir, narrated by Ibn Wahb, narrated by Yahya Ibn Ayub, narrated by Zaban, narrated by Sahil, narrated by his father who related that the prophet -pbuh- said, "Prayer is exalted, and fasting and recitation are increased above charity for the sake of Allah by 700 times."

Narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Mumar, narrated by Qatada who said, (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it (wurood),’ means to go through. Also, Abdel Rahman Ibn Zaid Ibn Aslam stated regarding (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ that Muslims will pass over ("wurood") hell on a bridge, while the infidels will pass through hell. The prophet -pbuh- said, "The men and women who will be passing on the bridge (of Sirat) on judgment day will be many and there will be two groups of angels supplicating and saying ‘O Allah! Save, save.’"

Also, narrated by Al-Sadi, narrated by Murrah, narrated by Ibn Masud who stated that regarding (Surah 19:71) ‘a decree which must be accomplished,’ means that the decree is an oath that must be fulfilled. Mujahid also stated that the decree is a certainty of judgment. (Arabic source)

Al-Jalalayn’s Commentary

Surah 19:71 Not one of you but will pass through it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.

"Not one" means that there will be none.

"Of you" means ALL PEOPLE.

"But will pass through" means THE ENTRY INTO HELL.

"A decree which must be accomplished" means it is a certainty and a judgment from which (Allah) will not relent from. (Arabic source)

Here is an alternate translation of Tafsir al-Jalalayn:

There is not one of you but shall come to it, that is, [but] shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability [already] decreed by your Lord, [something which] He made inevitable and [which] He decreed; He will not waive it. (Source)

Then We will deliver (read nunajjī or nunjī) those who were wary, of [committing] idolatry or disbelief, [We will deliver them] from it, and leave those who did wrong, by way of idolatry and disbelief, crouching therein, on their knees. (Source)

Al-Tabari’s Commentary

Surah 19:71 Not one of you but will pass through it:

The meaning of Allah’s saying, ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ is that from you people there shall be none who will not enter hell, for this was the will of thy Lord, O Muhammad; an order that will be fulfilled. For He has commanded it and revealed it in the mother of all books (the Quran).

The men of learning have differed about the meaning of pass through "wurood" that was mentioned in this verse. Some of them say that pass through "wurood" mean ENTRY INTO HELL. Of those that mentioned this meaning:

Narrated by Hassan Ibn Yahya, narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Ibn Ayena, narrated by Amru who stated that someone had heard Ibn Abbas feud with Nafi Ibn Al-Azraq. Ibn Abbas said, "Passing through (wurood) means ENTRY INTO HELL." Nafi replied, "No." So Ibn Abbas recited (Surah 21:98) ‘Verily ye, and the gods that ye worship besides Allah, are but fuel for Hell! To it will ye surely will enter (Wardan),’ and asked did they enter or not? He also read (Surah 11:98) ‘He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them (Awrada-hum) into the fire: but woeful indeed will be the place (Wird) to which they are led (Al-mawrud)!’ Did they enter or not? As for you and I, WE WILL ENTER IT but let us see IF WE WILL EXIT FROM IT and I don’t see Allah taking you out of it because you lie (regarding its meaning). Nafi then laughed.

Narrated by Kasim, narrated by Al-Husain, narrated by Hajaj, narrated by Ibn Juraih, narrated by Ibn Abu Rabah, narrated by Abu Rashid Al-Harury who said, "They (the believers) will not hear hell’s roar." Ibn Abbas responded, "Woe to you! Are you insane? What of Allah’s verse (Surah 11:98) ‘He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them (Awrada-hum) into the fire,’ and also the verse (Surah 19:86) ‘And We shall drive the sinners to hell being lead (Wirdan),’ and also the verse (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass (Waridu-ha) through it.’ By Allah, the supplication of those who lived previously used to be, "O Allah TAKE ME OUT OF HELL FIRE peacefully and allow me to enter paradise victorious."

Ibn Juraih narrated that passing though (Wurood) which Allah mentioned in the Quran means ENTRY INTO HELL, so that into hell shall enter EVERY RIGHTEOUS and sinner. In the Quran, entry into hell is mentioned 4 times: (Surah 11:98) ‘and lead them (awrada-hum) into the fire,’ and (Surah 21:98) ‘Verily ye, and the gods that ye worship besides Allah, are but fuel for Hell! To it will ye surely will enter (Wardan).’ And (Surah 19:86) ‘And We shall drive the sinners to hell being lead (Wirdan),’ and (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass (Waridu-ha) through it.’

Narrated by Muhammad Ibn Sa’d, narrated his father, narrated by his uncle, narrated by Ibn Abbas who said the verse (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass (Waridu-ha) through it,’ means EVERYONE, whether righteous or sinner. For have you not heard what Allah the exalted said to Pharaoh in (Surah 11:98) ‘He will go before his people on the Day of Judgment, and lead them (Awrada-hum) into the fire.’ And He also said in (Surah 19:86) ‘And We shall drive the sinners to hell being lead (Wirdan),’ so passing through (wurood) meant entering hell fire, not exiting from it.

Narrated by Hassan Ibn Urfa, narrated by Marwan Ibn Miss Universe’awiya, narrated by Bakar, narrated by Abu Miss Universe’awiya, narrated by Khalid Ibn Ma’dan who related that the people of paradise said when they entered paradise, "Didn’t our Lord promise that we will pass through hell?" They will be told, "You passed through it (hell) while its flames were calm."

Narrated by Ibn Urfa, narrated by Marwan Ibn Miss Universe’awiya, narrated by Bakar Ibn Abu Marwan, narrated by Abu Jamida, narrated by Muhammad Ibn Al-Mathna, narrated by Marhum Ibn Abd Al-Aziz, narrated by Abu Khalid who said, "The earth will one day be aflame, so how have you prepared for it?" he said, "This is the saying of Allah in (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.’"

Narrated by Yaqub Ibn Ibrahim, narrated by Ibn Alia, narrated by Al-Jariri, narrated by Abu Al-Salil, narrated by Ghunaim Ibn Qais who related that concerning the entry (wurood) into hell fire Ka’b said, "Hell fire will hold on to people with great intensity so that the soles of the feet of ALL PEOPLE, both RIGHTEOUS and sinners, will be charred. Then one will cry out to hell saying, ‘Hold on to your people AND LET MY PEOPLE GO. Then hell will capture everyone that belongs to it, for hell will know who belongs to it better than a man knows his own son BUT THE BELIEVERS WILL EXIT WITH THEIR BODIES.’" Ka’b also added that the distance between one guardian (of hell) and the next is a year’s travel. Each one of them holds a column containing two branches and with one thrust of the column, 70,000 people are thrown into the fire.

Narrated by Abu Kurayb, narrated by Ibn Yaman, narrated by Malik Ibn Maghul, narrated by Abu Ishaq who said, "Whenever Abu Maysarah would lie down on his bed he would say, ‘I wish my mother had never bore me’ and then he would begin to weep. When asked why he was weeping he would respond, ‘We were told that WE WOULD ENTER HELL, but WE WEREN’T TOLD THAT WE WOULD EXIT FROM IT.’"

Narrated by Ibn Hamid, narrated by Hakam, narrated by Ismail, narrated by Qais who related that Abdallah Ibn Rawaha WEPT DURING HIS ILLNESS, so his wife wept also. He then asked her, "Why are you weeping?" She responded, "I saw you weeping and so I started to weep." Ibn Rawaha said, "I KNOW THAT I WILL ENTER HELL FIRE, BUT I DON’T KNOW WHETHER I WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF IT OR NOT."

Narrated by Qasim, narrated by Al-Husain, narrated by Amru Dawud Ibn Al-Zabarkan, narrated by Al-Suddi, narrated by Mura Al-Hamadani, narrated by Ibn Masud who said, ‘Not one of you but will pass (Waridu-ha) through it,’ means ENTRY (into hell).

Narrated by Qasim, narrated by Al-Husain, narrated by Hajaj, narrated by Ibn Jarih, narrated by Mujahid, narrated by Ibn Abbas who said, "’Not one of you but will pass (Waridu-ha) through it,’ means ENTRY (into hell).

Narrated by Al-Hussan Ibn Yahya, narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Ibn Ayina, narrated by Ismail Ibn Abu Khalid, narrated by Qais Ibn Abu Hazim who said that Abdallah Ibn Rawaha placed his head on his wife’s lap and BEGAN TO WEEP, so his wife began to weep also. So he asked her, "Why are you weeping?" She responded, "I saw you weeping and so I started to weep." He said, "I remembered the saying of Allah - who is glorified and exalted- (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ AND I DON’T KNOW IF I WILL BE SAVED FROM IT OR NOT."

Others have said that ‘Pass through’ (wurood) means to pass over hell fire. Of those who mentioned this:

Narrated by Bishr, narrated by Yazid, narrated by Sa’id, narrated by Qatada, who said that, ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ means that people passed over hell.

Narrated by Al-Hassan, narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Miss Universe’amar, narrated by Qatada who said that ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ means that people will pass over hell.

Narrated by Khalid Ibn Aslam, narrated by Al-Nadir, narrated by Israel, narrated by Abu Ishaq, narrated by Abu Al-Ahwas, narrated by Abdallah said regarding (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it’, "The Sirat (bridge) over hell is as sharp as a sword. The first layer (of people) will pass as lightning, the second layer as the wind, the third layer as running horses and the fourth layer as running beasts. Then the angels will pass saying, ‘O Allah! Save, save.’"

Others have said that pass through (wurood) means entry into hell for the infidels, not the believers. Of those who said this:

Narrated by Al-Mathna, narrated by Abu Dawud, narrated by Shu’ba, narrated by Abdallah Ibn Al-Sa’ib about a man who heard Ibn Abbas read (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ in regards to the infidels, but the believers will not enter it.

Narrated by Muhammad Ibn Bashar, narrated by Abdel Rahman, narrated by Amru Ibn Al-Walid Al-Shinni, narrated by Ikrimah who said that (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ refers to the infidels.

Others have said that ‘pass through’ (wurood) refers to all believers and infidels, with the difference being that (wurood) as applied to the believers means to walk through while (wurood) as applied to the infidels means to enter and stay. Of those who mentioned this:

Narrated by Yunus, narrated by Ibn Wahb, narrated by Ibn Zaid who stated regarding (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ that (wurood) for the Muslims will be to walk over the center of hell on the bridge (of Sirat) but (wurood) for the infidels will be to enter hell. For the prophet -pbuh- said, "The men and women who will be passing on the bridge (of Sirat) on judgment day will be many and there will be two groups of angels supplicating and saying, ‘O Allah! Save, save.’’"

Others have said that (wurood) for the believer is what befalls him in this world from fever and illness. Of those who said this:

Narrated by Abu Kurayb, narrated by Ibn Yaman, narrated by Uthman Ibn Al-Aswad, narrated by Mujahid who said, "Fever is the portion of every believer from hell fire." He then read (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it.’

Narrated by Imran Ibn Bakar Al-Kila’i, narrated by Abu Mughira, narrated by Abdel Rahman Ibn Yazid Ibn Tamim, narrated by Ismail Ibn Ubaid Allah, narrated by Abu Salih, narrated by Abu Huraira who related that he was with the prophet -pbuh- who went out looking for one of his companions who was ill with a fever and said, "Allah the exalted says, ‘It is My fire that I impose on my believing servant, that it may be his portion of fire in the afterlife.’"

Others have said, (Yaru-daha) means ALL PEOPLE will enter hell and the believers will exit by their deeds. Of those who said this:

Narrated by Ibn Al-Mathna, narrated by Yahya Ibn Sai’d, narrated by Shu’ba, narrated Al-Suddi, narrated by Murrah, narrated by Abdallah regarding (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it.’ He said that all people will enter it (hell) and exit from it by their deeds.

Narrated by Muhammad Ibn Ubaid Al-Miharibi, narrated by Asbat, narrated by Abdul Malik, narrated by Ubaid Allah, narrated by Mujahid who said, "I was in the company of Ibn Abbas when a man called Abu Rashid, who is also known as Nafi Al-Azraq, came and asked Ibn Abbas, ‘Have you seen the saying of Allah (Surah 19:71) "Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished"?’ Abu Abbas replied, ‘As for you and I, O Abu Rashid, we SHALL ENTER IT (hell), but let us see WHETHER we shall exit from it or not.’"

Narrated by Ibn Bashar, narrated by Abu Asim, narrated by Ibn Juraih, narrated by Abu Zubair who reported hearing Jabir Ibn Abdallah ask about the meaning of (wird) so he said, "On judgment day we will either be branded or restful standing above the people. Then all nations will be called by the name of their deities or what they worshipped, one after the other shall they follow. Then all people, hypocrites and believers, will be given a light to cover their darkness and follow (their deity) onto the bridge (of Sirat) where the shackles of hell will take those whom Allah wills. The light of the hypocrite will then be darkened and the believer will be rescued and the first group will be saved like a (bright) night with a full moon and 70,000 will not be judged. The ones behind them will be as bright as the stars in the skies and likewise saved. Then, intercession will dwell and they will intercede AND OUT OF HELL FIRE WILL EXIT ANYONE WHO SAID, ‘There is no god but Allah,’ who had the weight of a single hair of goodness in his heart. They will be hurled towards paradise where the people in paradise will dowse them with water. They will then sprout like a plant in the downpour and they will ask (for the reward) of the world and ten times as much will be given to them."

Also narrated by Al-Qasim, narrated by Al-Husain, narrated by Ibn Al-Mubarak who said, "A man said to his brother ‘Have you been told that you shall enter hell?’ The brother answered ‘YES.’ He then asked, ‘Have you also been told that you shall exit from it?’ The brother responded ‘NO.’ So he asked, ‘Then why the laughter?’ The brother responded, ‘I have not seen a person laugh until he joined Allah.’"

Narrated by Yunus, narrated by Ibn Wahb, narrated by Amru Ibn Al-Harith, narrated by Bakara that he said to Basir, "A certain man says that passing through (wurood) hell fire means passing over it." Basir replied that he heard Abu Huraira say, "On judgment day, all people will be gathered and a voice will cry out ‘Let all people join themselves to the deities they used to worship.’ So some will go to stones, others to horses and others to wood until those who remain are people who worshipped Allah. Then Allah will come to them and they will rise when they see Him and follow Him over the (bridge) of Sirat where there are traps. Then intercession will be allowed, so the people will pass and the prophets will say, ‘O Allah! Save, save.’"

The most PREFERRED of the correct sayings is he who said, "ALL PEOPLE WILL ENTER IT; then the believers will exit from it, whom Allah will save, but He will keep the infidels in it."

The meaning of the word(s) ‘passing through’ (wurood-daha) is revealed in the narrations about the prophet -pbuh- when he spoke of the (believers) passing through the crowd of hell on the bridge (of Sirat) and the Muslims are then HEAPED UP FROM HELL. Of the narrations that mentioned this:

Narrated by Abu Kurayb, narrated by Ibn Idris, narrated by Al-Amash, narrated by Abu Sufyan, narrated by Jabir, narrated by Um Mubshir the wife of Zaid Ibn Haritha who stated that the prophet -pbuh- said while he was in the house of Hafsa, "Those who participated in the battles of Badr and Hudaibiyah will not enter hell." Hafsa then asked, "Doesn’t Allah say (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it?’" The prophet then replied (Surah 19:72) ‘Then we will save those who have avoided (evil).’"

Narrated by Hassan Ibn Mudrik, narrated by Yahya Ibn Hamad, narrated by Abu Awana, narrated by Al-Amash, narrated by Abu Sufyan, narrated by Jabur, narrated by Um Mubshir narrated the same hadith as above.

Narrated by Abu Kurayb, narrated by Abu Miss Universe’awiya, narrated by Al-Amash, narrated by Abu Sufyan, narrated by Jabur, narrated by Um Mubshir, narrated that Hafsa stated that the prophet - pbuh- said, "It is my wish that those who participated in the battles of Badr and Hudaibiyah will not enter hell, Allah willing." Hafsa then asked, "Doesn’t Allah say (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it?’" The prophet then replied (Surah 19:72) "Then we will save those who have avoided (evil)."

Narrated by Yaqub Ibn Ibrahim, narrated by Ibn Ayena, narrated by Muhammad Ibn Ishaq, narrated by Ubaid Allah Ibn Al Mughira Ibn Miss Universe’ikab, narrated by Sulaiman Ibn Umru Ibn Abd Al-Atwari, a member of the tribe of Laith, who was in the lap of Abu Sa’id related that he heard Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri narrate that the apostle -pbuh- said, "The Sirat (bridge) will be placed over the center of hell and on it will be thorns similar (to the bones) of an ape. Then the Muslim will pass onto the bridge being wounded but saved from the crowded imprisonment. When Allah has finished from judging the people, the believers will look for men who were with them on earth praying as they prayed, paying the same Zakat they paid, fasting the same fast they fasted, performing the same pilgrimage they performed and making the same raids they made. The believers will then ask, ‘O, our Lord! There were servants who worshipped you that were with us on earth and used to pray as we prayed, pay the same Zakat we paid, fast the same fast we fasted, perform the same pilgrimage we performed and make the same raids we made but we don’t see them.’

Allah will say to them, ‘Depart to hell and whomever of these believers you find TAKE THEM OUT.’ So they will find that THE FIRE HAD ENGULFED THE BELIEVERS according to their deeds. For some of them will be engulfed by the fire to their feet, some of them will be engulfed to their knees, some of them will be engulfed to their chest and some of them will be engulfed to their necks but not their faces. They will be removed from the fire and cast into the water of life."

It was asked, "What is the water of life, O prophet of Allah?" He replied, "To be washed by the people of paradise and they will sprout as a plant sprouts from the foam of a flood. Then the prophets will intercede on behalf of anyone who faithfully witnessed that there is no god but Allah and the believers will be saved from it (hell fire) and Allah will have compassion by His mercy on THOSE LEFT IN IT so that there will not be left in it a worshipper who has an atom’s weight of faith in his heart who will not be REMOVED FROM HELL."

Narrated by Muhammad Ibn Abdallah Ibn Abdel Hakim, narrated by Abu Shu’ayb Ibn Al-Laith, narrated by Laith Ibn Khalid, narrated by Yazid Ibn Abu Hilal, narrated by Zaid Ibn Aslam, narrated Atta Ibn Yassar, narrated by Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri who related that the prophet said, "The bridge will be brought on judgment day and placed in the center of hell." We asked, "O prophet, what is the bridge?" He replied, "A slippery slope on which are placed catchers and shackles and flattened fish bones that have raised thorns called Sa’dan. The believer will pass on it like a glance, lightning, wind, running horses and riders. Then there will be rescued Muslims, scratched Muslims all compacted in hell and the last of them will pass quickly. You will not seek me in truth more urgently, by Allah the blessed and exalted, than the believers on that day, who will see some saved but their brothers left behind."

Narrated by Ahmad Ibn Issa, narrated by Sa’id Ibn Kathir Ibn Afeer, narrated by Ibn Luhay’a, narrated by Abu Zubair who related that he asked Jabir Ibn Abdallah about the meaning of (wurood), who replied that he heard the prophet -pbuh- say, "It means ENTRY." They (the believers) WILL ENTER HELL and then exit from it. The last man to remain on the Sirat (bridge) will crawl so Allah will raise for him a tree and the man will cry out, ‘O my Lord, bring me closer to it.’ So Allah -the blessed and exalted- will bring him closer to it. Then the man will say, ‘O my Lord, place me in paradise,’ and Allah will tell him to ask for it and the man will ask. Then Allah will say to him, ‘It is yours and ten times more or so.’ The man will ask, ‘O Lord, are you mocking me?’ Then he will laugh to the point that his gums and back teeth show.

Narrated by Yunus, narrated by Ibn Wahb, narrated by Yahya Ibn Ayub, narrated by Abi Kurayb, narrated by Muhammad Ibn Zaid, narrated by Rashid, who all heard from Zaid Ibn Fa’id, narrated by Sahl Ibn Miss Universe’ath, narrated by his father who narrated that the prophet said, "He who voluntarily stands guard behind the Muslims, not taken by the sultan with guards, will not see the fires of hell with his eyes when he is released by Allah’s oath. For Allah the exalted says, (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through (Waridu-ha) it.’

Narrated by Al-Hassan Ibn Yahya, narrated by Abdel Razak, narrated by Ma’mar, narrated by AL-Zuhary, narrated by Ibn Al-Maseeb, narrated by Abu Huraira that the prophet said, "He whose three children die will not be touched by the fires of hell for he will be released from it by the oath (of Allah)," regarding wurood. (Arabic source)

The following is taken from The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein (State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1997), Volume VIII (8), pp. 152-153:

According to Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Muhammad b. Ishaq- Muhammad b. Ja‘far b. al-Zubayr- ‘Urwah b. al-Zubayr, who said: The Messenger of God sent his expedition to Miss Universe’tah in Jumada I of the year 8. He put Zayd b. Harithah in command of the men and said, "If Zayd b. Harithah is killed, Ja‘far b. Abi Talib shall be in command of the men; if Ja‘far is killed, ‘Abdallah b. Rawahah shall be in command… When ‘Abdallah b. Rawahah said goodbye with the other commanders of the Messenger of God who were doing so, HE WEPT. They said to him, "What is making you weep, Ibn Rawahah?" He said, "By God, I have no love of this world or excessive love for you, but I heard the Messenger of God recite a verse from the Book of God that mentioned the Fire [of Hell] - ‘Not one of you there is, but he shall go down to it; that for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined’ - AND I DO NOT KNOW HOW I CAN COME OUT AFTER GOING DOWN." The Muslims said, "May God accompany you, defend you, and bring you back to us in good health." …

The above story is reported by Ibn Ishaq, one of the first who wrote a biography on Muhammad:

Muhammad b. Ja'far b. al-Zubayr from 'Urwa b. al-Zubayr said: The apostle sent his expedition to Miss Universe'ta in Jumada'l-Ula in the year 8 and put Zayd b. Haritha in command; if Zayd were slain then Ja'far b. Abu 'Talib was to take command, and if he were killed then 'Abdullah b. Rawaha. The expedition got ready to the number of 3,000, and prepared to start. When they were about to set off they bade farewell to the apostle's chiefs and saluted them. When 'Abdullah b. Rawaha took his leave of the chiefs he wept and when they asked him the reason he said, 'By God, it is not that I love the world and am inordinately attached to you, but I heard the apostle read a verse from God's book in which he mentioned hell: "There is not one of you but shall come to it; that is a determined decree of your Lord," and I do not know how I can return after I have been to it.' The Muslims said, 'God be with you and protect you and bring you back to us safe and sound.' ... (Ishaq's Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford university Press, Karachi, tenth impression 1995], p. 532; bold emphasis ours)

Al-Qurtubi’s Commentary

There are five issues:

The first is the saying of Allah "And of you" which is a vow (in Surah 19:71). The "And" has been explained in the hadith of the prophet -pbuh- when he said, "No Muslim whose three children die will have the fires of hell touch him, he will be saved by the oath of (Allah)." Al-Zuhri stated that it seems that by this hadith is explained the meaning of the verse (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it.’ So the oath mentioned in (Surah 19:71) ‘this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished,’ refers to the previous verse of, ‘Not one of you but will pass through it.’ Some have mentioned that the oath mentioned in this verse actually refers to (Surah 51:1), ‘The bounties given,’ but the first meaning is the more famous and fits the meaning.

The second issue:

People have differed regarding the meaning of the word (wurood), for some say wurood means entry into hell. It is narrated by Jabir Ibn Abdallah that he heard the prophet -pbuh- say, "Wurood is entry (into hell). There shall not remain A RIGHTEOUS MAN or sinner who will not enter hell. For the believer, it will be cool and peaceful as it was to Abraham. Then we will save those who have avoided (evil) and greatly torment the sinners in it." Abu Omar gave the chain of transmission (isnad) to this hadith in his book, "The Preparation (Al-Tam-heed)," and this is also narrated by Ibn Abbas, Khalid Ibn Miss Universe’adh, Ibn Jarih and others.

It is related that Yunus used to read (Surah 19:71) ‘Not one of you but will pass through it,’ to mean entry into hell and felt that some of the narrators erred in explaining the meaning of wurood, so he established (its meaning) from the Quran.

From Al-Darimi, narrated by Abdallah Ibn Mas’ud who related that the prophet -pbuh- said, "All people will ENTER (yarud) hell then exit it by their deeds. Some of them will exit like a glance, lightning, wind, a galloping horse, a glorious rider on a journey and a man walking in stride."

It is narrated that Abu Abbas said regarding this issue to Nafi Ibn Al-Azraqi Al-Khariji, "As for you and I, WE MUST ENTER IT. As for me, Allah will then save me from it but for you, I doubt He will save you because you lie regarding it."

Many scholars have diligently VERIFIED THE SURETY OF ENTRY (wurood) INTO HELL but expressed IGNORANCE ABOUT EXIT FROM IT and have stated so in the book ‘The Preparation (Al-Tam-heed)’.

A group said that wurood means walking on the bridge of (Sirat). It is narrated from Ibn Abbas, and Ibn Mas’ud, and Ka’b Al-Ahbar, and Al-Suddi who narrated it from Ibn Mas’ud who narrated it from the prophet -pbuh.

Al-Hassan also said, "Wurood does not mean entry, rather, you can say, ‘I have arrived (warad-tu) to (the city of) Basra but I have not entered it. So wurood means to pass on the Sirat (bridge)."

Abu Bakir Al-Anbari stated that there were some men of learning who followed the teachings of Al-Hassan and cited the verse of Allah (Surah 21:101) ‘Those for whom the Good (Record) from Us has gone before, will be removed far from there (hell),’ as proof for their belief. They said that no person can enter hell if Allah has guaranteed to protect them from it. They used to change the pronunciation of the word ‘Then" (Thumma) to (Thama) in the verse (Surah 19:72), ‘But then We shall save those who guarded against evil.’

Others objected to what these people said by stating that the meaning of (Surah 21:101) ‘will be removed far from there (hell),’ is that the righteous will be removed from the torment and burning found in hell. They also said that whoever enters hell and does not feel ache or pain because of it, he is in reality removed from it. They then confirm this teaching by pronouncing the word ‘Then’ as (Thumma) in the verse (Surah 19:72), ‘Then we will save those who avoided (evil).’ So the word ‘Then’ (Thumma) illustrates that there is A CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER of events; first the entry into hell then being saved from it.

In Sahih Muslim it is related that the prophet said, "The bridge will be brought on judgment day and placed in the center of hell." We asked, "O prophet, what is the bridge?" He replied, "A slippery slope on which are placed catchers and shackles and flattened fish bones that have raised thorns called Sa’dan. The believer will pass on it like a glance, lightning, wind, running horses and riders. Then there will be rescued Muslims, scratched Muslims all compacted IN HELL."

Some used this hadith as evidence that the meaning of (wurood) is to walk on the Sirat (bridge) as opposed to mean entry into hell. Others said that wurood means to behold, look at and approach hell, for the place of judgment will be near hell. So people will see it and look at it during the judgment then Allah will save those who have sought refuge from what they saw and usher them into paradise.

The verse (Surah 19:72) ‘and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein,’ means that the evil doers will be commanded into hell fire for Allah the exalted says (Surah 28:23) ‘And when he arrived at the watering (place) in Madyan,’ means that Moses approached the water but did not enter in it.

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Postby Kukay » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:04 pm

Hoy esperasave.

Read this .

According to Islam everyone will go to hell except the martyrs .
Yung mga bayani nila eh will go directly daw for paradise .

That’s the reason why kaya madaming suicide bombers .
Kung magpapakamatay sila because of Islam eh they will go directly daw sa paraiso.

And of course .... Muslims debate about this .
Sila sila mismo eh nagde debatihan.
They have different interpretations sa sinasabi ng Koran .

https://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contr ... krs9U14leg


Are Martyrs Spared or Will all Muslims go to Hell?

From the entry under Martyrs in The Concise Encyclopedia of Islam by Cyril Glassé:

Believers who die for their faith, in defense of it, or persecuted for it, are assured of Heaven. They are buried as they died, unwashed and in the same clothes, the bloodstains testifying to their state.
This is also expressed in various hadiths. For example we find in Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 621:

Narrated Al-Mughira:
Our Prophet has informed us our Lord's Message that whoever of us is martyred, will go to Paradise.

The following passages of the Qur'an support the general Muslim belief that the martyrs go to paradise immediately:

And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah,
forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.
And if ye die, or are slain, Lo! it is unto Allah that ye are brought together.
-- Sura 3:157-158
Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead.
Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;
-- Sura 3:169

Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;
for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:
a promise binding on Him in truth,
through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an:
and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah?
then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded:
that is the achievement supreme.
-- Sura 9:111

On the other hand, we read also that,

There will be no one of you who will not enter it (Hell).
This was an inevitable decree of your Lord.
Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire.
-- Sura 19:71-72
Or as Arberry translates it more literally:

No one of you there is, but he shall go down to it; That for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined. Then We shall deliver those that were god-fearing; and the evildoers We shall leave there, hobbling on their knees.
-- Sura 19:71-72
This verse tells clearly that all Muslims [everybody] will go to Hell, (inevitable, decreed, determined) and only some of them will eventually be rescued from Hell, while others will be left there forever.

Obviously, it cannot be that all go through hell (Sura 19:71) and that martyrs go directly to paradise, being spared hell, and "they live (present tense), finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord."

Besides being contradictory, Sura 19:71-72 must be incredibly disturbing to Muslims, who can only look forward to go to Hell when they die. At least it was disturbing to Sultan Muhammad Khan, who was moved to carefully study everything that Islam says about salvation and later became a Christian because of his research. You can read about this in his testimony.

Side remark on Sura 9:111 stating that "theirs is the garden: they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah?" -- There are no such passages in the Torah or the Gospel which promise paradise to those slain in a military battle for God. This is another false claim in the Qur'an. I am not sure there is even any such concept as us fighting a military battle for God. It is usually God who fights for us. God is much more powerful and glorious that he needs our weapons or strength to fight for him.



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Postby Kukay » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:17 pm

It’s no surprise that Muslims themselves debate each other .

Yung Quran na mismo eh derechahan na nagsasabi that everyone will go to hell including Muslims .

At eto ha ...
It’s very disturbing to watch and hear yung Muslim clerics when they read the verse pertaining to Muslims going to hell .
They really cry and wail .
Umiiyak talaga and plead to Allah and ask why they have to go to hell .
And these are totoong mga lalaki ‘ha.

Islam is the only religion that I know na directly saying that you will go to hell .

As I have said before ... I wanted to buy yung mga books pertaining to Islam at yung Quran mismo kasi nga sobrang nakakatakot lang talaga . It really feels like you’ll be reading stuff written by the devil himself.
Plus there’s a serious risk that you’ll be hooked and be immersed lalo in my part na very serious na malaman kung ano ba talaga ang Islam .
Eh ako pa naman ... with previous experience na ... na different naman ... it’s horror stories naman .
I got fascinated and totally got engrossed in reading horror stories na particularly when the devil wins .
In particular how Anne Rice writes . She makes her stories sexy... and makes you feel awesome and empowered if you go to the dark side . I was seriously turning into a goth .
Sobrang nakaka addict to read horror stories ...it’s so exciting and thrilling to read .
Pero dumating yung time na I felt the need to stop .
Kaya sabi ko ...i won’t buy Islamic books and the Koran ... Baka ma addict ako like before .
Eh I’ve already read parts of the Quran ... and read it’s history and origin .
Proven na may satanic verses dyan . It’s the Muslims saying it themselves .
Horror stories nga lang by Anne Rice , Stephen King etc eh mga fiction lang nakaka addict na .... what more pa na authentic satanic verses ?


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Postby FaruqHuda » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:43 pm

I agree with everything you said. There is nothing good about Islam. Nothing good has ever come out of it. Just ask any ex-Muslim or Muslims and non-Muslims who are being persecuted in Muslim-majority countries. Islam has no place in Western societies or the modern world. France is going a great job restraining the spread of Islam by banning burqa-clad women in public. France has a very strong tradition of secularism and the French will fight tooth and nail to defend it.
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Postby ToiletPaper » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:33 pm

As a muslim myself, this is very offensive statement. Islam is a religion of peace and I don't want to argue about this. I will just pray that Allah will forgive your sins, you f**! astaghfirullah
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Postby Mariana Erwin » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:58 pm

Admins, please delete this thread. This thread has just become another thread that aims to incite hate towards Muslims and to a lesser extent, Jews and Christians. Please lock this thread before things get worse!
No more bashers in 2022, please.

Also, watch Dani Walker's video to know more on how bashers can kill with their words.

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Postby Mariana Erwin » Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:00 am

Stoichio wrote:

Inatake na naman ng pagka-sintu-sinto ung nuknukan ng ignorante dito sa forum. :-j :-j

And now they want to have many reasons to kill religious people, or even impose their religions on others. This thread is disturbing.
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Postby beautywatchnyc » Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:47 am

Mariana Erwin wrote:
Stoichio wrote:

Inatake na naman ng pagka-sintu-sinto ung nuknukan ng ignorante dito sa forum. :-j :-j

And now they want to have many reasons to kill religious people, or even impose their religions on others. This thread is disturbing.


The more apt title for this thread should have read "Bigotry At Its Best" with emphasis on it's without the apostrophe. I dismissed the bragging innuendos at the onset as a mere ploy by the TS' to entice and to impress a following. It gets worse when a self-proclaimed "learned practitioner" pokes on religious differences and imperatives to expose a blatant ignorance of cross cultural and religious belief and of his utter bigotry. What else, but a clueless piece and a sordid attempt at unmasking a misplaced euphoria by turning it into incontrovertible flak with an ugly content.

Yes, this thread doesn't deserve a space and bandwidth in all its entirety.
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Postby Stoichio » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:01 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
Mariana Erwin wrote:
Stoichio wrote:

Inatake na naman ng pagka-sintu-sinto ung nuknukan ng ignorante dito sa forum. :-j :-j

And now they want to have many reasons to kill religious people, or even impose their religions on others. This thread is disturbing.


The more apt title for this thread should have read "Bigotry At Its Best" with emphasis on it's without the apostrophe. I dismissed the bragging innuendos at the onset as a mere ploy by the TS' to entice and to impress a following. It gets worse when a self-proclaimed "learned practitioner" pokes on religious differences and imperatives to expose a blatant ignorance of cross cultural and religious belief and of his utter bigotry. What else, but a clueless piece and a sordid attempt at unmasking a misplaced euphoria by turning it into incontrovertible flak with an ugly content.

Yes, this thread doesn't deserve a space and bandwidth in all its entirety.




If he cannot even differentiate the use of “its” and “it’s”, would you expect him to know sensible and relevant issues of the society?? :-j :-j :-j :-j

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Postby beautywatchnyc » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:47 am

Stoichio wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Mariana Erwin wrote:
Stoichio wrote:

Inatake na naman ng pagka-sintu-sinto ung nuknukan ng ignorante dito sa forum. :-j :-j

And now they want to have many reasons to kill religious people, or even impose their religions on others. This thread is disturbing.


The more apt title for this thread should have read "Bigotry At Its Best" with emphasis on it's without the apostrophe. I dismissed the bragging innuendos at the onset as a mere ploy by the TS' to entice and to impress a following. It gets worse when a self-proclaimed "learned practitioner" pokes on religious differences and imperatives to expose a blatant ignorance of cross cultural and religious belief and of his utter bigotry. What else, but a clueless piece and a sordid attempt at unmasking a misplaced euphoria by turning it into incontrovertible flak with an ugly content.

Yes, this thread doesn't deserve a space and bandwidth in all its entirety.




If he cannot even differentiate the use of “its” and “it’s”, would you expect him to know sensible and relevant issues of the society?? :-j :-j :-j :-j



A resounding no is my reply! I didn't think the TS was inebriated when he took the dismal stand. As if adding insult to his injury, it got worst when TS proceeded to shoot his mouth off with a couple more feeble replies. TS must learn to approach sensitive matters with the appropriate scholarly research to back him up. TS failed miserably in that aspect and succeeded only in fostering scathing replies rather than a following to feed craving the attention. It is my view that juvenile views exacerbated by unsubstantiated personal opinion will not work in serious and critical discussions about religious and cultural diversity. May I stress only mature unpretentious minds can take up to this difficult challenge.
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esperasave wrote:As I roam around the streets of London, I see Muslim people in Burja with their head to the feet are fully covered. They are also allowed to wear that type of clothing in any Anglo Saxon countries like Ireland, Scotland, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. But for people of those Countries and others are not allowed to enter The Muslim or Arab countries in their customary casual clothes but unless they would wear the traditional Burja or hajib. On the other hand, Muslim people could carry Quaran, their Holy Book to The USA, UK and other Anglo Saxon countries but on the contrary, The Bible is not permitted even in The Arab Airports. It will be considered contraband. While the Muslim Churches have grown over the years to be established in The US, UK, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia or New Zealand but any Christian Movements in these Arab Nations are considered Crime. One thing also, Muslim Women are not allowed to enter A beauty Pageant because they called it indecent for them to do that. However, in their Religion, they are allowing two persons to get married even they are first cousins and could marry as many wives if they could support them financially. Likewise, Muslim, Jewish and others are not allowing their members to eat anything pork or fat on their food but if you look at them, they're overweight and obese themselves. This is the reason why, relationships could be strained because one party just wants to take, take and take but doesn't want to give anything at all.


Due to anglos disgusting history of colonialism and basically been to blame for both world wars absolutely no one has sympathy for them. Even to this day they are still arrogant enough to say that the horrible things they did to indians natives and africans was justified.
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Postby esperasave » Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:26 am

rockondude wrote:
esperasave wrote:As I roam around the streets of London, I see Muslim people in Burja with their head to the feet are fully covered. They are also allowed to wear that type of clothing in any Anglo Saxon countries like Ireland, Scotland, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. But for people of those Countries and others are not allowed to enter The Muslim or Arab countries in their customary casual clothes but unless they would wear the traditional Burja or hajib. On the other hand, Muslim people could carry Quaran, their Holy Book to The USA, UK and other Anglo Saxon countries but on the contrary, The Bible is not permitted even in The Arab Airports. It will be considered contraband. While the Muslim Churches have grown over the years to be established in The US, UK, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia or New Zealand but any Christian Movements in these Arab Nations are considered Crime. One thing also, Muslim Women are not allowed to enter A beauty Pageant because they called it indecent for them to do that. However, in their Religion, they are allowing two persons to get married even they are first cousins and could marry as many wives if they could support them financially. Likewise, Muslim, Jewish and others are not allowing their members to eat anything pork or fat on their food but if you look at them, they're overweight and obese themselves. This is the reason why, relationships could be strained because one party just wants to take, take and take but doesn't want to give anything at all.


Due to anglos disgusting history of colonialism and basically been to blame for both world wars absolutely no one has sympathy for them. Even to this day they are still arrogant enough to say that the horrible things they did to indians natives and africans was justified.


Why so many Africans and Indians want to get Permanent Residency in those Anglo Saxon and other Western Countries but won't want to remain in their own countries of origin?
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esperasave wrote:As I roam around the streets of London, I see Muslim people in Burja with their head to the feet are fully covered. They are also allowed to wear that type of clothing in any Anglo Saxon countries like Ireland, Scotland, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. But for people of those Countries and others are not allowed to enter The Muslim or Arab countries in their customary casual clothes but unless they would wear the traditional Burja or hajib. On the other hand, Muslim people could carry Quaran, their Holy Book to The USA, UK and other Anglo Saxon countries but on the contrary, The Bible is not permitted even in The Arab Airports. It will be considered contraband. While the Muslim Churches have grown over the years to be established in The US, UK, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia or New Zealand but any Christian Movements in these Arab Nations are considered Crime. One thing also, Muslim Women are not allowed to enter A beauty Pageant because they called it indecent for them to do that. However, in their Religion, they are allowing two persons to get married even they are first cousins and could marry as many wives if they could support them financially. Likewise, Muslim, Jewish and others are not allowing their members to eat anything pork or fat on their food but if you look at them, they're overweight and obese themselves. This is the reason why, relationships could be strained because one party just wants to take, take and take but doesn't want to give anything at all.


Due to anglos disgusting history of colonialism and basically been to blame for both world wars absolutely no one has sympathy for them. Even to this day they are still arrogant enough to say that the horrible things they did to indians natives and africans was justified.


Why so many Africans and Indians want to get Permanent Residency in those Anglo Saxon and other Western Countries but won't want to remain in their own countries of origin?


I don't know i think they feel entitled to the country due to the history. I don't know what to tell you the british put themselves in the position they are right now. They opened the doors to all those immigrants and didn't even try to assimilate them into their culture because as you know they believe in segregation and the way their culture works is extremely classist . So all the problems they are facing now are self inflicted. i fell bad for the irish and the Scottish who are in the same boat but they are responsible for the decline to.
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Message: There is no excellent beauty that hath not some strangeness in the proportion.

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