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Postby Prozac » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:21 am

    

When ajsy0203 did the survey: Pageants: For Entertainment or Relevance, my friend who pretended she was not
into pageantry, but actually knows more dirt than any other posters in Missosology has this to say: I choose entertain-
ment over relevance. Well, she made her points in the other thread.

That prompted me to choose any pageant incident or controversy that happened in the past that was more of an
entertainment, something that was interesting or situations that manage to put a smile on MY face. As my friend.
said, if you want entertainment, PAGEANTRY IS THE PLACE TO BE.

This is done in random order and not in the way it impacted my life.

1. Miss Grand International 2018 Clara Sosa fell as soon as she was announced that year's winner. At the time, she was
holding hands with the first runner-up, Meenakshi Chaudhary of India, who tried to help but failed to catch Sosa as
she collapsed and hit the floor.

2. The crown Brawl in Amazon was another entertainment. The video showed the crowning of Carol Toledo as Miss
Amazon and first runner-up Sheislane Hayalla came forward and removed the tiara from the winner's head and threw
it on the ground.

3. Pageant hosts are human too. When Steve Harvey made that infamous announcement that Ariadna Gutierrez
won as Miss Universe in 2015, he ruined the climax of the show and crowned the wrong woman. Later on, he come back
and said some mea culpa, he announced Pia Wurtzbach was the rightful winner.

4. Miss Grand International Philippines 2018, Samantha Lo's crown bid marred with controversy in relation to her
travel documents. She was detained in Paris due to issues with her passport before she finally arrived in Venezuela.
She later released conflicting statements regarding her detention in Paris, and the supposed illegal means the beauty
queen had secured her passport.

5. No one could top the Miss Universe 2016 opening blow-up when Steve Harvey ask for apologies for last year's
blooper. He even devised a plan on how he can safely escape MOA in case his apologies didn't go well with the
Filipino audience. He said he had eye surgery so he can see better this time. Pia Wurtzback also thank him for
making her the most popular Miss Universe ever.

6. Abena Appiah, Miss Grand International USA Q and A gimmick of speaking the Thai language winning the nod of
the judges and became the eventual winner. She made the same scheme in Miss Earth when she wowed everybody
by speaking Tagalog, but failed miserably.

7. The body shaming of Catriona Gray. Coco Arayha Suparurk Miss Grand Thailand 2019, described Clara as “fit”
while Catriona as “fat” on her Instagram story, and this has sparked outrage among pageant fans and was slammed
in social media.

8, In Miss Universe 2018, Steve Harvey asked Miss Costa Rica (who is a TV host in her country), "From one host to
another, do you have any tips for me?" And she responded, "You're doing just fine. The smile is always great. But I have
to give you one advice, come closer because I don't want everybody to hear." Steve leaned to her because he thought
she is going to whisper. But she blurted, "If they want to give you one really... really ... really important envelope, try
to read carefully okay?" and the whole Thai arena had thunderous laughter.

9. Anea Garcia Miss Grand International 2015 resigned or was dethroned? Conflicting stories came up because in the
organizer's corner, they claimed she was not able to fulfill her duties. Anea contradicts that by saying she feared for
her safety especially when she was forced to travel alone to foreign countries with no contact person or escort. And
Anea claimed she was assaulted in South Sudan. Nawat denied this claim.

10 Oxana Fedorova Miss Universe 2002 was dethroned. She was rumored to be pregnant by a Russian mobster and was later
axed. Fedorova denied the pregnancy rumors and stated that she voluntarily gave up her crown for personal reasons,
mainly because she wanted to finish her law degree. But a TV magazine said she opted to move on after she was demeaned
in Howard Stern's show.

11. Laura Zuniga, Miss Sinaloa, and Queen of Hispanic America 2008 was arrested for drug trafficking in 2008. She was
slated to compete in Miss International in 2009. Sharing the same story was former Miss Nevada 2005 Katie Rees who was
arrested for possessing and selling meth.

12. When Alicia Machado (Miss Universe 1996) was ballooning, Donald Trump advised losing weight. She even called her an
eating machine in a Howard Stern show or Miss Piggy in his interviews. He even took her to the gym and invited the media
to watch her worked out. When Trump run for presidency, this controversy was given life by Hillary Clinton to further aid
their claim that Trump was a misogynist.

13. Miss Teen USA Karlie Hay made headlines shortly after she scored her win in 2016. Hay's previous tweets surfaced
that she used racial slurs, showing that she'd used the N-word multiple times three years earlier.

14. Accidents and near falls are interesting discussion pieces. Miss USA Universe fell twice back to back in 2007 and 2008
c/o Rachel Smith and Krystal Stewart, and it makes me wonder if future Miss USA will learn from their accidents and
never to be repeated again. When Miriam Quiambao slipped and fall and later redeem herself by winning the first
runner-up In Miss Universe 1999, she was the living mantra of "RISING UP ... EVERY TIME YOU FALL."

15. Elizabeth Fechtel was named the winner of Miss America Florida in 2014, but the celebration did not last long.
It was later discovered that there had been a scoring error and her runner-up, Victoria Cowen, was actually the
true winner. The title went kaput and Victoria Cowen competed in Miss America.

16. Sara Rose Summers offended the non English speaking candidates. When the live stream of Sara Rose making
fun of Miss Vietnam or Cambodia's groping for English words, the clip went viral, making her repentant and
conciliatory in the end. What she did was unsophisticated rather than vicious but it was regarded by everybody
as arrogant and condescending.

17, The ousting of Genesis Davila as Miss Florida USA in 2017. The complaint came from a pageant director who
accused Davila of cheating and not following pageant rules - by hiring a professional to do her makeup. Davila
counter charged and sued the organization for defamation.

18. Miss Universe 1979 finale crowning a ravishing Brunette Martitza Sayalero from Venezuela, was marred by a mishap
that could have been prevented. The coronation was far from pretty when candidates and the press moved forward
to congratulate the winner and because of the number of people the weight was too much and the stage collapse.
"Everybody thought it was an earthquake," that's my cousin in Perth Australia giving us an update.

19. Action news (meaning the incident is actually happening live on-screen) can be riveting, Julia Morley and Miss World
2013 Megan Young visiting their favorite projects in Haiti. Megan was surrounded by Haitian kids in the orphanage, there
was an exchange of Hellos ... and What's your name and that fateful incident happened .. BOOOOM - the flooring cave in.
And so did Megan and the kids who disappeared from the TV screen.

20. And how about Miss World candidates in 2002 doing a segment ala Escape to Alcatraz amidst the ongoing riot and
mayhem between Muslim and Christians who were not seeing eye to eye with regards to holding the pageant in Nigeria.
I can't imagine the scenario where candidates have to pack their bags hurriedly because the plane that will transfer them
to England is waiting.

21. Kenya Moore Miss Universe USA 1993 was booed in Mexico City. This happened after Mexico failed to reach the Top 10.
Dick Clark the host was booed and that include the judges. Fast forward to 2007 and Miss U made a comeback in Mexico City
and it looked like the Mexicans can't forget and they can't forgive that easily so the booing continued with Rachel Smith Miss
USA universe 2007. Putting more salt to the wound, Rachel was able to reach the Top 5 and Miss Mexico did not. In an interview
Rachel rationalized that the booing was not directed at her. She said the anger was directed at the stiff immigration policies
America has on the border.

21, Pushpika De Silva, a pageant queen who won the title of "Mrs. Sri Lanka" in April 2021, stated she was injured after her
crown was forcefully removed from her head onstage by a former winner. Later the crown was given to the first runner Up
Caroline Jurie citing a pageant rule that prevents women who have been divorced from winning the title. De Silva said she is
not divorced and that she is taking legal action. Days later, Jurie gave up her the crown.

22. An article stated that Katie Blair, Miss Teen USA 2006, came under fire after stories surfaced claiming she danced on tables
and made out with Miss USA Tara Connor during a night of drinking and snorting cocaine. Connor took most of the heat for the
incident, but Blair faced the wrath of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), who announced they would no longer use her as
their spokeswoman against underage drinking.

23. Danielle Lloyd Miss Great Britain 2006 was stripped of her title when it was revealed that she had posed for a Mens Magazine
(Playboy) and had dated one of the judges during the time of the pageant.

24. According to Wikipedia Jenna Talackova is a Canadian model and television personality, who gained media attention in 2012
when she successfully waged a legal battle to be allowed to compete in the Miss Universe Canada after being initially disqualified
for being transgender. Talackova eventually made it to the Top 12.

How about you guys do you remember any pageant incident or controversy that entertained you, made you puked, or made
you angry it bothered you for days? Share it with us, We love to hear about it.


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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Mariana Erwin » Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:49 am

I do sort of understand that pageant controversies can entertain fans, but it can convince the non-fans and the haters of pageants to convince governments or any supreme body to ban pageantry altogether. The attempt to ban pageantry in Mexico is already a warning.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:24 am

Mariana Erwin wrote:I do sort of understand that pageant controversies can entertain fans, but it can convince the non-fans and the haters of pageants to convince governments or any supreme body to ban pageantry altogether. The attempt to ban pageantry in Mexico is already a warning.


Yes, I heard about that, and that in the state of Oaxaca. What I heard is that contests can be held in Oaxaca but
without government funding. Public money cannot be spent to hold the events, but they have not been banned
outright.

State and municipal government institutions face legal sanctions and fines if they allocate resources to events where
women and girls are judged by their physical characteristics. However, the law does not ban such events from taking
place.

This legal action also prevents governing institutions from using such events to promote tourism or similar
endeavors.

However, something is wrong with that picture. If we are going to consider Mexico's strength right now, Mexico has
been winning if not in the forefront of every international contest lately. Correct me if I'm wrong but I felt It has even
a better batting average in winning or placing compared to Venezuela.

How can you kill a goose that lays a golden egg? I know Mexicans will fiercely fight any government intrusion,
even if it means they have to shoulder the expenses.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:33 am

Mariana Erwin wrote:I do sort of understand that pageant controversies can entertain fans, but it can convince the non-fans and the haters of pageants to convince governments or any supreme body to ban pageantry altogether. The attempt to ban pageantry in Mexico is already a warning.


I also read this news and it was penned by Neil P. This is what he wrote:

The Gender Equality Commission has recently recommended to the Mexican Congress to ban beauty pageants.
The recommendations include new provisions to the general law on Women's Access to a Life Free of Violence.

Beauty pageants have been popular in Mexico for several years. In fact, many Mexicans have achieved crowns
or titles both in national and international competitions.

Some of the Mexican women who won international titles are Vanessa Ponce De Leon as Miss World 2018,
Sofia Aragon as 2nd Runner-Up during the Miss Universe 2019, and Andrea Toscano as 1st Runner-Up during the Miss
International 2019.

However, as the number of violence against women increases in Mexico, the country's newly formed "Gender Equality
Commission" has recommended measures that will ban beauty pageants in the country.

According to a published report in We Are Mitu, the newly formed commission sees beauty pageant as a contributing
factor to gender stereotypes, machismo, attitudes, and these will eventually lead to endemic violence.

The recommendation of the "Gender Equality Commission" was taken by the Mexican Congress, which passed a bill.
Part of the recommendation includes the new provisions to the general law on Women's Access to a Life Free of Violence.

There are many provisions that the newly formed commission recommended, including the ban of beauty pageants in the
country, which the majority of Mexicans opposed.

Members of the "Gender Equality Commission" expressed their objection towards beauty pageants in which beauty and
the physical appearance of women of different ages are evaluated. For them, it is a form of sexist stereotype.

They also added that beauty contests influence socio-cultural standards. This also becomes an instrument to make the
female body as an object of sexual desire.

In the proposed recommendations and guidelines, pageants will not be able to use public resources, official promotion,
or any kind of economic or any institutional support in carrying out these shows.

They also clarified that there is a possibility that privately-funded pageants might be subjected to be banned as well.

Mexicans have been raising concerns about violence against women this year. Hundreds of thousands of Mexicans took
part in the largest protest that the country has ever seen so far. This happened before the country was hit by the global
pandemic.

It was also found out that an average of 10 women are killed every day. Additionally, due to the nationwide lockdown,
911 receives domestic violence calls that have increased to 60 percent compared to the normal days.

The global pandemic has become a contributing factor to the increase in violence against women. It can be recounted
that domestic violence is most of the time the reason why many applied for an American asylum.

The newly formed commissioned has a point to ban beauty pageants in an attempt to reduce violence against women.
However, this could not be accepted by many Mexicans because this has become part of the Mexican traditions.

Beauty pageants are an integral part of Mexican celebrations. This is a common celebration from Carnival to the fiestas.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby beautywatchnyc » Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:01 am


To some vaunted ears, the word controversy carries with it a negative vibes. It evokes unpalatable nuisance to those who are averse to its destructive capacity. While it caters the mind of gossip mongers who thrive on it as particularly entertaining, a controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others extreme difficulty and length of time to build.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby ajsy0203 » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:49 am

Prozac wrote:
Mariana Erwin wrote:I do sort of understand that pageant controversies can entertain fans, but it can convince the non-fans and the haters of pageants to convince governments or any supreme body to ban pageantry altogether. The attempt to ban pageantry in Mexico is already a warning.


I also read this news and it was penned by Neil P. This is what he wrote:

The Gender Equality Commission has recently recommended to the Mexican Congress to ban beauty pageants.
The recommendations include new provisions to the general law on Women's Access to a Life Free of Violence.

Beauty pageants have been popular in Mexico for several years. In fact, many Mexicans have achieved crowns
or titles both in national and international competitions.

Some of the Mexican women who won international titles are Vanessa Ponce De Leon as Miss World 2018,
Sofia Aragon as 2nd Runner-Up during the Miss Universe 2019, and Andrea Toscano as 1st Runner-Up during the Miss
International 2019.

However, as the number of violence against women increases in Mexico, the country's newly formed "Gender Equality
Commission" has recommended measures that will ban beauty pageants in the country.

According to a published report in We Are Mitu, the newly formed commission sees beauty pageant as a contributing
factor to gender stereotypes, machismo, attitudes, and these will eventually lead to endemic violence.

The recommendation of the "Gender Equality Commission" was taken by the Mexican Congress, which passed a bill.
Part of the recommendation includes the new provisions to the general law on Women's Access to a Life Free of Violence.

There are many provisions that the newly formed commission recommended, including the ban of beauty pageants in the
country, which the majority of Mexicans opposed.

Members of the "Gender Equality Commission" expressed their objection towards beauty pageants in which beauty and
the physical appearance of women of different ages are evaluated. For them, it is a form of sexist stereotype.

They also added that beauty contests influence socio-cultural standards. This also becomes an instrument to make the
female body as an object of sexual desire.

In the proposed recommendations and guidelines, pageants will not be able to use public resources, official promotion,
or any kind of economic or any institutional support in carrying out these shows.

They also clarified that there is a possibility that privately-funded pageants might be subjected to be banned as well.

Mexicans have been raising concerns about violence against women this year. Hundreds of thousands of Mexicans took
part in the largest protest that the country has ever seen so far. This happened before the country was hit by the global
pandemic.

It was also found out that an average of 10 women are killed every day. Additionally, due to the nationwide lockdown,
911 receives domestic violence calls that have increased to 60 percent compared to the normal days.

The global pandemic has become a contributing factor to the increase in violence against women. It can be recounted
that domestic violence is most of the time the reason why many applied for an American asylum.

The newly formed commissioned has a point to ban beauty pageants in an attempt to reduce violence against women.
However, this could not be accepted by many Mexicans because this has become part of the Mexican traditions.

Beauty pageants are an integral part of Mexican celebrations. This is a common celebration from Carnival to the fiestas.


But the law already signed by the Mexican president prior to Andrea Meza's win at Miss Universe? I think the Mexican politicians did not congratulate her?
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:02 pm

beautywatchnyc wrote:
To some vaunted ears, the word controversy carries with it a negative vibes. It evokes unpalatable nuisance to those who are averse to its destructive capacity. While it caters the mind of gossip mongers who thrive on it as particularly entertaining, a controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others extreme difficulty and length of time to build.


My son was so livid seeing the title of this thread, "Dad the title of what you wrote carries negative undertones
and connotations. People will misconstrue you as somebody heartless, insensitive, and uncaring. Consider this,
Do you derived your entertainment from people trapped on a floor that caved in? Or from people running for their
lives to catch a plane that will bring them to safety? Are you happy that the stage collapse, and you laughed at
somebody fainting because she won?

"Are you also happy that a candidate was dethroned, or that a candidate was placed in prison for drugs, or the
candidates dating a judge that leads to her downfall? In short are you happy for the misery of others and do you
enjoy that they are hurting? That's not the Dad I know."

"Son listen..." I told him. " that's not what I meant. Only a sociopath or a sadist can derive pleasure and gratification
from seeing pain or humiliation on others. And I am not like that, What will I get from it, I didn't even know them.
Am I making sense? This is just work son, a past time and I am here selling my wares to the members of the forum.
I have to reinvent my style so they will notice me.

"Don't take it literally. What I meant by entertain here is that the story caught my attention, it grabbed my interest &
it captured my imagination, When the US was withdrawing from Kabul I stopped what I am doing and see for myself
the unfolding of events. I saw people falling from the plane, but I am not happy that people are dying. They thought
escaping Bagram Airport will lengthen their lives, and falling from the plane cut it short. Isn't that worth my attention?
I am not nosy or anything, but it is just human nature to stop and notice.

Titles of the threads can be deceiving. Some writers use figurative language or figures of speech. They are rhetorical
devices used by writers and speakers to give words meaning beyond their usual, literal definition. There are many
different kinds of figures of speech, including simile, metaphor, personification, hyperbole, metonymy, analogy and
synecdoche.

Titles are there to entice, coax and bait readers into noticing what you are writing. It is like seducing your campus
crush to give you that second look. What is the use of buying expensive clothes if you don't use them to impress her?
What is the use of writing your masterpieces when dust accumulates on them? You made a lot of effort to develop it,
you spent your precious time and for what?

"Okay Dad, enough. I get it now." was all he said.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:20 pm

beautywatchnyc wrote:
To some vaunted ears, the word controversy carries with it a negative vibes. It evokes unpalatable nuisance to those who are averse to its destructive capacity. While it caters the mind of gossip mongers who thrive on it as particularly entertaining, a controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others extreme difficulty and length of time to build.


beautywatchnyc made several points here and all of them are true.:
1. controversy carries with it negative vibes.
2. it evokes unpalatable nuisance to those who are averse to its destructive capacity.
3. a controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others extreme difficulty and
length of time to build.
4. it caters to the mind of gossip mongers who thrive on it as particularly entertaining

JUST ONE PIECE OF ADVICE TO FUTURE QUEENS:

When you started your journey as a beauty wannabe, you know what kind of life you are treading. You were like a
bug who was enticed by the light and you assumed that life as a beauty queen is all milk and honey ... its sugar and
spice and all things nice.

You assumed that life here in this part of the world is the answer to your dreams and your prayers. You expect a
crown and the title, a truckload of TV commercials, movie assignment perhaps, and modeling gigs. You will be the
toast of the town, fans are swarming like bees and countless rich and handsome men are dying to have a date
with you, You thought you were knocking at the door of luxury, a life of ease and comfort, a paradise and a bed
of roses. SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE. It happens to some ... but not to everybody.

You didn't realize you enter a life of make-believe, a world full of intrigue, deception, backstabbing, rumor-
mongering, character assassination, and betrayal. You don't know your friends here, and if there is, it is only
temporary. You need to have a wooden heart when you're here, better if it's a heart of stone. When your weak
people will make YOU their doormat. Remember Rabiya? She seemed cool, calm, and collected at the start,
but when the going gets tough, she had a meltdown that finally sealed her exclusion in the TOP TEN.

And when you finally find a place in the inner sanctum, be careful because as a beauty queen your life is likened
to a fish in the aquarium. Everybody sees you, and they will scrutinize you and they will look at your every move.
So think twice before you share your opinion, be careful with what you do in public, and be careful with whom
you are going out with. When using your Twitter or FB account always THINK BEFORE YOU CLICK. You know that
opportunists and dirty old men abound in this part of the world, and if you don't like gossip, controversies, or
scandals, be discreet, always have a chaperon with you,

Life as a beauty queen is how you make it. If you want a decent life, nobody can fault you for that/ Nobody
will ruin your name, just because you are true to yourself. If you want respect, respect will be given to you.
As they say, respect begets respect.

On the other hand, if you want to live in the fast lane and you want a licentious kind of life, just like Laura
Zuniga, nobody can stop you. But when you get caught, you just have to be ready, because everybody will be
talking about you much more since you are a celebrity. If you want to pose in the men's magazine, that is your
call. It's your life. But just know that when people smell a good scandal, you will be the toast of the town and
people will make you their dessert in the next few months, even years. Don't blame anyone because they are
talking about you. You made them talk. And you can't blame anybody for gossiping. You made it happen.

beautywatchnyc said: A controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others
extreme difficulty and length of time to build. This is very true.

But if you are the type who loves adventure and misadventure, you planted the seeds of the scandal, now you
reap what you sow. As simple as that.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:57 pm

ajsy0203 wrote:

But the law already signed by the Mexican president prior to Andrea Meza's win at Miss Universe? I think the Mexican politicians did not congratulate her?

The latest intrusion of the Mexican government to ban public funds to support local pageants is another controversy
waiting to happen.

I don't have any updates on whether the Mexican government was happy with Andrea Meza's win nor did they make
any celebration. Google was not a big help too because my search produced a nil result. And it looked like it is all
quiet in Mexico. Was it because of Covid or did the government just don't give a damn about pageantry?
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Postby esperasave » Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:53 am

Prozac wrote:When ajsy0203 did the survey: Pageants: For Entertainment or Relevance, my friend who pretended she was not
into pageantry, but actually knows more dirt than any other posters in Missosology has this to say: I choose entertain-
ment over relevance. Well, she made her points in the other thread.

That prompted me to choose any pageant incident or controversy that happened in the past that was more of an
entertainment, something that was interesting or situations that manage to put a smile on MY face. As my friend.
said, if you want entertainment, PAGEANTRY IS THE PLACE TO BE.

This is done in random order and not in the way it impacted my life.

1. Miss Grand International 2018 Clara Sosa fell as soon as she was announced that year's winner. At the time, she was
holding hands with the first runner-up, Meenakshi Chaudhary of India, who tried to help but failed to catch Sosa as
she collapsed and hit the floor.

2. The crown Brawl in Amazon was another entertainment. The video showed the crowning of Carol Toledo as Miss
Amazon and first runner-up Sheislane Hayalla came forward and removed the tiara from the winner's head and threw
it on the ground.

3. Pageant hosts are human too. When Steve Harvey made that infamous announcement that Ariadna Gutierrez
won as Miss Universe in 2015, he ruined the climax of the show and crowned the wrong woman. Later on, he come back
and said some mea culpa, he announced Pia Wurtzbach was the rightful winner.

4. Miss Grand International Philippines 2018, Samantha Lo's crown bid marred with controversy in relation to her
travel documents. She was detained in Paris due to issues with her passport before she finally arrived in Venezuela.
She later released conflicting statements regarding her detention in Paris, and the supposed illegal means the beauty
queen had secured her passport.

5. No one could top the Miss Universe 2016 opening blow-up when Steve Harvey ask for apologies for last year's
blooper. He even devised a plan on how he can safely escape MOA in case his apologies didn't go well with the
Filipino audience. He said he had eye surgery so he can see better this time. Pia Wurtzback also thank him for
making her the most popular Miss Universe ever.

6. Abena Appiah, Miss Grand International USA Q and A gimmick of speaking the Thai language winning the nod of
the judges and became the eventual winner. She made the same scheme in Miss Earth when she wowed everybody
by speaking Tagalog, but failed miserably.

7. The body shaming of Catriona Gray. Coco Arayha Suparurk Miss Grand Thailand 2019, described Clara as “fit”
while Catriona as “fat” on her Instagram story, and this has sparked outrage among pageant fans and was slammed
in social media.

8, In Miss Universe 2018, Steve Harvey asked Miss Costa Rica (who is a TV host in her country), "From one host to
another, do you have any tips for me?" And she responded, "You're doing just fine. The smile is always great. But I have
to give you one advice, come closer because I don't want everybody to hear." Steve leaned to her because he thought
she is going to whisper. But she blurted, "If they want to give you one really... really ... really important envelope, try
to read carefully okay?" and the whole Thai arena had thunderous laughter.

9. Anea Garcia Miss Grand International 2015 resigned or was dethroned? Conflicting stories came up because in the
organizer's corner, they claimed she was not able to fulfill her duties. Anea contradicts that by saying she feared for
her safety especially when she was forced to travel alone to foreign countries with no contact person or escort. And
Anea claimed she was assaulted in South Sudan. Nawat denied this claim.

10 Oxana Fedorova Miss Universe 2002 was dethroned. She was rumored to be pregnant by a Russian mobster and was later
axed. Fedorova denied the pregnancy rumors and stated that she voluntarily gave up her crown for personal reasons,
mainly because she wanted to finish her law degree. But a TV magazine said she opted to move on after she was demeaned
in Howard Stern's show.

11. Laura Zuniga, Miss Sinaloa, and Queen of Hispanic America 2008 was arrested for drug trafficking in 2008. She was
slated to compete in Miss International in 2009. Sharing the same story was former Miss Nevada 2005 Katie Rees who was
arrested for possessing and selling meth.

12. When Alicia Machado (Miss Universe 1996) was ballooning, Donald Trump advised losing weight. She even called her an
eating machine in a Howard Stern show or Miss Piggy in his interviews. He even took her to the gym and invited the media
to watch her worked out. When Trump run for presidency, this controversy was given life by Hillary Clinton to further aid
their claim that Trump was a misogynist.

13. Miss Teen USA Karlie Hay made headlines shortly after she scored her win in 2016. Hay's previous tweets surfaced
that she used racial slurs, showing that she'd used the N-word multiple times three years earlier.

14. Accidents and near falls are interesting discussion pieces. Miss USA Universe fell twice back to back in 2007 and 2008
c/o Rachel Smith and Krystal Stewart, and it makes me wonder if future Miss USA will learn from their accidents and
never to be repeated again. When Miriam Quiambao slipped and fall and later redeem herself by winning the first
runner-up In Miss Universe 1999, she was the living mantra of "RISING UP ... EVERY TIME YOU FALL."

15. Elizabeth Fechtel was named the winner of Miss America Florida in 2014, but the celebration did not last long.
It was later discovered that there had been a scoring error and her runner-up, Victoria Cowen, was actually the
true winner. The title went kaput and Victoria Cowen competed in Miss America.

16. Sara Rose Summers offended the non English speaking candidates. When the live stream of Sara Rose making
fun of Miss Vietnam or Cambodia's groping for English words, the clip went viral, making her repentant and
conciliatory in the end. What she did was unsophisticated rather than vicious but it was regarded by everybody
as arrogant and condescending.

17, The ousting of Genesis Davila as Miss Florida USA in 2017. The complaint came from a pageant director who
accused Davila of cheating and not following pageant rules - by hiring a professional to do her makeup. Davila
counter charged and sued the organization for defamation.

18. Miss Universe 1979 finale crowning a ravishing Brunette Martitza Sayalero from Venezuela, was marred by a mishap
that could have been prevented. The coronation was far from pretty when candidates and the press moved forward
to congratulate the winner and because of the number of people the weight was too much and the stage collapse.
"Everybody thought it was an earthquake," that's my cousin in Perth Australia giving us an update.

19. Action news (meaning the incident is actually happening live on-screen) can be riveting, Julia Morley and Miss World
2013 Megan Young visiting their favorite projects in Haiti. Megan was surrounded by Haitian kids in the orphanage, there
was an exchange of Hellos ... and What's your name and that fateful incident happened .. BOOOOM - the flooring cave in.
And so did Megan and the kids who disappeared from the TV screen.

20. And how about Miss World candidates in 2002 doing a segment ala Escape to Alcatraz amidst the ongoing riot and
mayhem between Muslim and Christians who were not seeing eye to eye with regards to holding the pageant in Nigeria.
I can't imagine the scenario where candidates have to pack their bags hurriedly because the plane that will transfer them
to England is waiting.

21. Kenya Moore Miss Universe USA 1993 was booed in Mexico City. This happened after Mexico failed to reach the Top 10.
Dick Clark the host was booed and that include the judges. Fast forward to 2007 and Miss U made a comeback in Mexico City
and it looked like the Mexicans can't forget and they can't forgive that easily so the booing continued with Rachel Smith Miss
USA universe 2007. Putting more salt to the wound, Rachel was able to reach the Top 5 and Miss Mexico did not. In an interview
Rachel rationalized that the booing was not directed at her. She said the anger was directed at the stiff immigration policies
America has on the border.

21, Pushpika De Silva, a pageant queen who won the title of "Mrs. Sri Lanka" in April 2021, stated she was injured after her
crown was forcefully removed from her head onstage by a former winner. Later the crown was given to the first runner Up
Caroline Jurie citing a pageant rule that prevents women who have been divorced from winning the title. De Silva said she is
not divorced and that she is taking legal action. Days later, Jurie gave up her the crown.

22. An article stated that Katie Blair, Miss Teen USA 2006, came under fire after stories surfaced claiming she danced on tables
and made out with Miss USA Tara Connor during a night of drinking and snorting cocaine. Connor took most of the heat for the
incident, but Blair faced the wrath of Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), who announced they would no longer use her as
their spokeswoman against underage drinking.

23. Danielle Lloyd Miss Great Britain 2006 was stripped of her title when it was revealed that she had posed for a Mens Magazine
(Playboy) and had dated one of the judges during the time of the pageant.

24. According to Wikipedia Jenna Talackova is a Canadian model and television personality, who gained media attention in 2012
when she successfully waged a legal battle to be allowed to compete in the Miss Universe Canada after being initially disqualified
for being transgender. Talackova eventually made it to the Top 12.

How about you guys do you remember any pageant incident or controversy that entertained you, made you puked, or made
you angry it bothered you for days? Share it with us, We love to hear about it.


So what's Ok not to be okay in the Pageantries?
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby beautywatchnyc » Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:02 am

Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
To some vaunted ears, the word controversy carries with it a negative vibes. It evokes unpalatable nuisance to those who are averse to its destructive capacity. While it caters the mind of gossip mongers who thrive on it as particularly entertaining, a controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others extreme difficulty and length of time to build.


My son was so livid seeing the title of this thread, "Dad the title of what you wrote carries negative undertones
and connotations. People will misconstrue you as somebody heartless, insensitive, and uncaring. Consider this,
Do you derived your entertainment from people trapped on a floor that caved in? Or from people running for their
lives to catch a plane that will bring them to safety? Are you happy that the stage collapse, and you laughed at
somebody fainting because she won?

"Are you also happy that a candidate was dethroned, or that a candidate was placed in prison for drugs, or the
candidates dating a judge that leads to her downfall? In short are you happy for the misery of others and do you
enjoy that they are hurting? That's not the Dad I know."

"Son listen..." I told him. " that's not what I meant. Only a sociopath or a sadist can derive pleasure and gratification
from seeing pain or humiliation on others. And I am not like that, What will I get from it, I didn't even know them.
Am I making sense? This is just work son, a past time and I am here selling my wares to the members of the forum.
I have to reinvent my style so they will notice me.

"Don't take it literally. What I meant by entertain here is that the story caught my attention, it grabbed my interest &
it captured my imagination, When the US was withdrawing from Kabul I stopped what I am doing and see for myself
the unfolding of events. I saw people falling from the plane, but I am not happy that people are dying. They thought
escaping Bagram Airport will lengthen their lives, and falling from the plane cut it short. Isn't that worth my attention?
I am not nosy or anything, but it is just human nature to stop and notice.

Titles of the threads can be deceiving. Some writers use figurative language or figures of speech. They are rhetorical
devices used by writers and speakers to give words meaning beyond their usual, literal definition. There are many
different kinds of figures of speech, including simile, metaphor, personification, hyperbole, metonymy, analogy and
synecdoche.

Titles are there to entice, coax and bait readers into noticing what you are writing. It is like seducing your campus
crush to give you that second look. What is the use of buying expensive clothes if you don't use them to impress her?
What is the use of writing your masterpieces when dust accumulates on them? You made a lot of effort to develop it,
you spent your precious time and for what?

"Okay Dad, enough. I get it now." was all he said.


For me, it doesn't really matter whether or not I get to publish prose which has accumulated through the years. Putting words into a frame of beautiful language (never mind the gaps and lapses) serves as my sounding board. It's therapeutic, a catharsis of sorts. There's a time for everything. I write to express ideas, feelings and emotions, not to impress.

To quote one famous writer: "it would do us all well to see life for what it is, to cherish what we have, to enjoy life whilst we can, and to not take on society’s troubles or your children’s and grandchildren and other peoples' grandchildren’s affairs on for yourself."

The way of life at the threshold is to go with the flow. But more than anything I want to live with equanimity. As such, meddling in any controversy, big or how insignificant it may be, is not for me, thanks but no thanks.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby esperasave » Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:50 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
To some vaunted ears, the word controversy carries with it a negative vibes. It evokes unpalatable nuisance to those who are averse to its destructive capacity. While it caters the mind of gossip mongers who thrive on it as particularly entertaining, a controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others extreme difficulty and length of time to build.


My son was so livid seeing the title of this thread, "Dad the title of what you wrote carries negative undertones
and connotations. People will misconstrue you as somebody heartless, insensitive, and uncaring. Consider this,
Do you derived your entertainment from people trapped on a floor that caved in? Or from people running for their
lives to catch a plane that will bring them to safety? Are you happy that the stage collapse, and you laughed at
somebody fainting because she won?

"Are you also happy that a candidate was dethroned, or that a candidate was placed in prison for drugs, or the
candidates dating a judge that leads to her downfall? In short are you happy for the misery of others and do you
enjoy that they are hurting? That's not the Dad I know."

"Son listen..." I told him. " that's not what I meant. Only a sociopath or a sadist can derive pleasure and gratification
from seeing pain or humiliation on others. And I am not like that, What will I get from it, I didn't even know them.
Am I making sense? This is just work son, a past time and I am here selling my wares to the members of the forum.
I have to reinvent my style so they will notice me.

"Don't take it literally. What I meant by entertain here is that the story caught my attention, it grabbed my interest &
it captured my imagination, When the US was withdrawing from Kabul I stopped what I am doing and see for myself
the unfolding of events. I saw people falling from the plane, but I am not happy that people are dying. They thought
escaping Bagram Airport will lengthen their lives, and falling from the plane cut it short. Isn't that worth my attention?
I am not nosy or anything, but it is just human nature to stop and notice.

Titles of the threads can be deceiving. Some writers use figurative language or figures of speech. They are rhetorical
devices used by writers and speakers to give words meaning beyond their usual, literal definition. There are many
different kinds of figures of speech, including simile, metaphor, personification, hyperbole, metonymy, analogy and
synecdoche.

Titles are there to entice, coax and bait readers into noticing what you are writing. It is like seducing your campus
crush to give you that second look. What is the use of buying expensive clothes if you don't use them to impress her?
What is the use of writing your masterpieces when dust accumulates on them? You made a lot of effort to develop it,
you spent your precious time and for what?

"Okay Dad, enough. I get it now." was all he said.


For me, it doesn't really matter whether or not I get to publish what prose has been accumulated through the years. Putting words into a frame of beautiful language (never mind the gaps and lapses) serves as my sounding board. It's therapeutic, a catharsis of sorts. There's a time for everything. I write to express feelings and emotions, not to impress.

To quote one famous writer: "it would do us all well to see life for what it is, to cherish what we have, to enjoy life whilst we can, and to not take on society’s troubles or your children’s and grandchildren and other peoples' grandchildren’s affairs on for yourself."

The way of life at the threshold is to go with the flow. But more than anything I want to live with equanimity. As such, meddling in any controversy, big or how insignificant it may be, thanks but no thanks.


There's many of those in the pageantries, politics, business etc. They uses tactics, gimmicky and even controversies to entice people as a bait so as you can join them with their own pleasures, with their own hidden agenda or propaganda. But if you're intelligent and smart enough as to which one to go then you made a good choice. It's all about choices in life and that's what we signed for in a democratic country of ours. It gives us so many choices in life and so many platforms to go but only you who can decide. But everyone's happy when we defeat all the trolls, toxicities, negativities, players etc in the world rather the universe.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Elyerno Zabagguri » Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:53 am

TODAY, THE WAR BETWEEN INDONESIA VS MISS SUPRANATIONAL ORG ARE MORE ENTERTAINING.

AW AW. =;))

I'M ON MISS SUPRA ORG SIDE.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:33 am

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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:47 am

Elyerno Zabagguri wrote:TODAY, THE WAR BETWEEN INDONESIA VS MISS SUPRANATIONAL ORG ARE MORE ENTERTAINING.

AW AW. =;))

I'M ON MISS SUPRA ORG SIDE.


So do I. But I am not an active participant in these word wars. It's not my business.

I just sit in the chair and watch what is going on and enjoy my popcorn. Just like watching a movie.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:48 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:

"I write to express feelings and emotions, not to impress."

I agree with this line. However "not to impress" emits a fume of negative insinuations. It looked like the writer is using
his literary works and writing the venue to show the world he is authoritative and intellectual. It seemed that the writer
is here to prove to all and sundry his knack and ingenuity with the intention to boast and show off and make a splash.
How about writing to inspire, to arouse, to educate with the intention only to give his readers a good reading material
and make a good and have a lasting impression with his audience? Was that bad enough?

In television where competition is stiff and tight, I saw pundits and invited guests trying to outdo each other on a given
topic. They try to outmaneuver their rivals because they want to win the debate. In Philippine movies, we saw actors
stealing a scene from the rest of the cast. Frankly, we don't have to resort to these tactics. You don't have to tell every
body that you are good. They know how to separate the lambs from the goats.

I worked in a hospital in Europe and America, and I always put my heart into everything I do. I don't have the intent to
blow away my superiors with how good I am. All I want is to excel in my line of work and if somebody notices and appreciates
it, well and good. With hard work and dedication, I was promoted fast in both places and I am saying that with all humility
and without a shade of braggadocio in it.

I also moonlight writing in magazines and newspapers, I even have a byline and a column in our local newspaper back
home. I do write to impress because I want my readers their full attention? I am writing to impress because I want my
readers to read my write-up in toto and I don't want them to stop until they're done reading it. I encourage writing to impress
because I want to entice my readers to come back and make my column his daily reading habit. These goals will not achieve
if what I offer to them is so-so and inferior. So for as long as you don't brag, you don't gloat or grandstand and you don't make
writing a vehicle to blow your horn, it is okay as long as the intentions are good.

Writing to impress inspires everyone to do their best and squeeze their intellectual juices to write a classic, a gem of a
novel. a magnum opus, a piece de resistance. If we are writing not to impress all writings that are delivered to us day
in and day out are of a mediocre type and the run-of-the-mill variety.

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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby beautywatchnyc » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:17 am

Prozac wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:

"I write to express feelings and emotions, not to impress."

I agree with this line. However "not to impress" emits a fume of negative insinuations. It looked like the writer is using
his literary works and writing the venue to show the world he is authoritative and intellectual. It seemed that the writer
is here to prove to all and sundry his knack and ingenuity with the intention to boast and show off and make a splash.
How about writing to inspire, to arouse, to educate with the intention only to give his readers a good reading material
and make a good and have a lasting impression with his audience? Was that bad enough?

In television where competition is stiff and tight, I saw pundits and invited guests trying to outdo each other on a given
topic. They try to outmaneuver their rivals because they want to win the debate. In Philippine movies, we saw actors
stealing a scene from the rest of the cast. Frankly, we don't have to resort to these tactics. You don't have to tell every
body that you are good. They know how to separate the lambs from the goats.

I worked in a hospital in Europe and America, and I always put my heart into everything I do. I don't have the intent to
blow away my superiors with how good I am. All I want is to excel in my line of work and if somebody notices and appreciates
it, well and good. With hard work and dedication, I was promoted fast in both places and I am saying that with all humility
and without a shade of braggadocio in it.

I also moonlight writing in magazines and newspapers, I even have a byline and a column in our local newspaper back
home. I do write to impress because I want my readers their full attention? I am writing to impress because I want my
readers to read my write-up in toto and I don't want them to stop until they're done reading it. I encourage writing to impress
because I want to entice my readers to come back and make my column his daily reading habit. These goals will not achieve
if what I offer to them is so-so and inferior. So for as long as you don't brag, you don't gloat or grandstand and you don't make
writing a vehicle to blow your horn, it is okay as long as the intentions are good.

Writing to impress inspires everyone to do their best and squeeze their intellectual juices to write a classic, a gem of a
novel. a magnum opus, a piece de resistance. If we are writing not to impress all writings that are delivered to us day
in and day out are of a mediocre type and the run-of-the-mill variety.

Being positive is better than being negative – even in writing!


I respect your opinion and appreciate the nuggets of wisdom shared in the above. There are sheaves of old manuscripts in my files that didn't see print in whichever form up to this writing. Under lock and key, they're for my personal consumption as at the time being. No one else, not even my cleaner, has ever laid eyes on the content of what's in the ageing manuscripts. I'd be putting them altogether in a presentable form one day when I retire. By then perhaps I should be convinced and congratulate myself. I trust this isn't "bad enough to sound negative".

However, I can't wait to react to issues particularly if I had to express a thing or two or if I wasn't given a fair chance to say my piece and be heard. Why do I aspire to bind these compiled manuscripts in a narrative form? Simple, to borrow your line, I'm hoping the big reveal will inspire those who will care to listen and for the young of mind who shall come after me. “… writing to inspire, to arouse, to educate …” There, you've said it yourself. I've been mentoring young minds for years on end. That may not be enough but within that comes the territory.

Without being abrasive or obtrusive, I want to acquit myself with equanimity. Insofar as I'm concerned, there's absolutely no need to impress anyone in the pages of these fora. But it's your call though, I've got none at stake, if doing that serves your purpose and matters to you. And BTW, splicing a solitary sentence from its mother paragraph had decontextualized what I was trying to say. No big deal. Readers can see between the lines, fine by me if they don't, it's to be the least among my concerns.

I hate to be talking about "us". Let's go back to the issues at hand.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby esperasave » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:02 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
To some vaunted ears, the word controversy carries with it a negative vibes. It evokes unpalatable nuisance to those who are averse to its destructive capacity. While it caters the mind of gossip mongers who thrive on it as particularly entertaining, a controversy can ruin a closely guarded reputation or even life which took many others extreme difficulty and length of time to build.


My son was so livid seeing the title of this thread, "Dad the title of what you wrote carries negative undertones
and connotations. People will misconstrue you as somebody heartless, insensitive, and uncaring. Consider this,
Do you derived your entertainment from people trapped on a floor that caved in? Or from people running for their
lives to catch a plane that will bring them to safety? Are you happy that the stage collapse, and you laughed at
somebody fainting because she won?

"Are you also happy that a candidate was dethroned, or that a candidate was placed in prison for drugs, or the
candidates dating a judge that leads to her downfall? In short are you happy for the misery of others and do you
enjoy that they are hurting? That's not the Dad I know."

"Son listen..." I told him. " that's not what I meant. Only a sociopath or a sadist can derive pleasure and gratification
from seeing pain or humiliation on others. And I am not like that, What will I get from it, I didn't even know them.
Am I making sense? This is just work son, a past time and I am here selling my wares to the members of the forum.
I have to reinvent my style so they will notice me.

"Don't take it literally. What I meant by entertain here is that the story caught my attention, it grabbed my interest &
it captured my imagination, When the US was withdrawing from Kabul I stopped what I am doing and see for myself
the unfolding of events. I saw people falling from the plane, but I am not happy that people are dying. They thought
escaping Bagram Airport will lengthen their lives, and falling from the plane cut it short. Isn't that worth my attention?
I am not nosy or anything, but it is just human nature to stop and notice.

Titles of the threads can be deceiving. Some writers use figurative language or figures of speech. They are rhetorical
devices used by writers and speakers to give words meaning beyond their usual, literal definition. There are many
different kinds of figures of speech, including simile, metaphor, personification, hyperbole, metonymy, analogy and
synecdoche.

Titles are there to entice, coax and bait readers into noticing what you are writing. It is like seducing your campus
crush to give you that second look. What is the use of buying expensive clothes if you don't use them to impress her?
What is the use of writing your masterpieces when dust accumulates on them? You made a lot of effort to develop it,
you spent your precious time and for what?

"Okay Dad, enough. I get it now." was all he said.


For me, it doesn't really matter whether or not I get to publish prose which has accumulated through the years. Putting words into a frame of beautiful language (never mind the gaps and lapses) serves as my sounding board. It's therapeutic, a catharsis of sorts. There's a time for everything. I write to express ideas, feelings and emotions, not to impress.

To quote one famous writer: "it would do us all well to see life for what it is, to cherish what we have, to enjoy life whilst we can, and to not take on society’s troubles or your children’s and grandchildren and other peoples' grandchildren’s affairs on for yourself."

The way of life at the threshold is to go with the flow. But more than anything I want to live with equanimity. As such, meddling in any controversy, big or how insignificant it may be, is not for me, thanks but no thanks.


Most of the time when I respond or write an article, I don't use figurative language or speech because I want my readers to react instantly and clearly without having to read twice or more just to understand the meaning of it. I will make sure that the lingo I used is something that everyone can decipher in simple terms and without having to use any jargon words and sentences where they ended up looking to Wikipedia, dictionary, thesaurus, almanac or any other books for references. My points of view will always be the window of my self both internally and externally as a person.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:19 pm

beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:

"I write to express feelings and emotions, not to impress."

I agree with this line. However "not to impress" emits a fume of negative insinuations. It looked like the writer is using
his literary works and writing the venue to show the world he is authoritative and intellectual. It seemed that the writer
is here to prove to all and sundry his knack and ingenuity with the intention to boast and show off and make a splash.
How about writing to inspire, to arouse, to educate with the intention only to give his readers a good reading material
and make a good and have a lasting impression with his audience? Was that bad enough?

In television where competition is stiff and tight, I saw pundits and invited guests trying to outdo each other on a given
topic. They try to outmaneuver their rivals because they want to win the debate. In Philippine movies, we saw actors
stealing a scene from the rest of the cast. Frankly, we don't have to resort to these tactics. You don't have to tell every
body that you are good. They know how to separate the lambs from the goats.

I worked in a hospital in Europe and America, and I always put my heart into everything I do. I don't have the intent to
blow away my superiors with how good I am. All I want is to excel in my line of work and if somebody notices and appreciates
it, well and good. With hard work and dedication, I was promoted fast in both places and I am saying that with all humility
and without a shade of braggadocio in it.

I also moonlight writing in magazines and newspapers, I even have a byline and a column in our local newspaper back
home. I do write to impress because I want my readers their full attention? I am writing to impress because I want my
readers to read my write-up in toto and I don't want them to stop until they're done reading it. I encourage writing to impress
because I want to entice my readers to come back and make my column his daily reading habit. These goals will not achieve
if what I offer to them is so-so and inferior. So for as long as you don't brag, you don't gloat or grandstand and you don't make
writing a vehicle to blow your horn, it is okay as long as the intentions are good.

Writing to impress inspires everyone to do their best and squeeze their intellectual juices to write a classic, a gem of a
novel. a magnum opus, a piece de resistance. If we are writing not to impress all writings that are delivered to us day
in and day out are of a mediocre type and the run-of-the-mill variety.

Being positive is better than being negative – even in writing!


I respect your opinion and appreciate the nuggets of wisdom shared in the above. There are sheaves of old manuscripts in my files that didn't see print in whichever form up to this writing. Under lock and key, they're for my personal consumption as at the time being. No one else, not even my cleaner, has ever laid eyes on the content of what's in the ageing manuscripts. I'd be putting them altogether in a presentable form one day when I retire. By then perhaps I should be convinced and congratulate myself. I trust this isn't "bad enough to sound negative".

However, I can't wait to react to issues particularly if I had to express a thing or two or if I wasn't given a fair chance to say my piece and be heard. Why do I aspire to bind these compiled manuscripts in a narrative form? Simple, to borrow your line, I'm hoping the big reveal will inspire those who will care to listen and for the young of mind who shall come after me. “… writing to inspire, to arouse, to educate …” There, you've said it yourself. I've been mentoring young minds for years on end. That may not be enough but within that comes the territory.

Without being abrasive or obtrusive, I want to acquit myself with equanimity. Insofar as I'm concerned, there's absolutely no need to impress anyone in the pages of these fora. But it's your call though, I've got none at stake, if doing that serves your purpose and matters to you. And BTW, splicing a solitary sentence from its mother paragraph had decontextualized what I was trying to say. No big deal. Readers can see between the lines, fine by me if they don't, it's to be the least among my concerns.

I hate to be talking about "us". Let's go back to the issues at hand.


I love how you fashion words into lines, and lines into rhymes. The printer's ink is really in your blood, I can tell.

About the splicing thingy, I thought about that. I was responding only to that phrase, not necessarily to what you
said. Your name should not even be dragged in the discussion, only that line in question.

I thought all the while quoting only that line will make the response short and concise. Because the mechanism
in Misso when you hit QUOTE, the whole content will cascade and there's an avalanche of information that was
written a while ago and now it's making its second appearance and I don't want the readers to be annoyed by that.

And you're absolutely right, splicing change the context of what you said when only the fragment of the paragraph
was placed under scrutiny. I saw splicing utilized in TV Patrol and it received a lot of flak from the fussy and meticulous
congressmen in the lower house. When one scene or interview is juxtaposed to another, it changes the tone and the
color of your testimonials. Any prudent writer should be aware of that. Mea culpa.

Regarding my columns and writings, unlike you, I have a hardbound copy of this book and is placed in our living room.
It was not only for my consumption, I gladly share it with my family and friends who want a glimpse of its contents.
Again the operative word here is SHARING and not SHOWING OFF.

You can still change your mind, however. I am not privy to your plans for the grand reveal, and if you think now is not
the right time, I will respect that.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby esperasave » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:55 pm

Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:

"I write to express feelings and emotions, not to impress."

I agree with this line. However "not to impress" emits a fume of negative insinuations. It looked like the writer is using
his literary works and writing the venue to show the world he is authoritative and intellectual. It seemed that the writer
is here to prove to all and sundry his knack and ingenuity with the intention to boast and show off and make a splash.
How about writing to inspire, to arouse, to educate with the intention only to give his readers a good reading material
and make a good and have a lasting impression with his audience? Was that bad enough?

In television where competition is stiff and tight, I saw pundits and invited guests trying to outdo each other on a given
topic. They try to outmaneuver their rivals because they want to win the debate. In Philippine movies, we saw actors
stealing a scene from the rest of the cast. Frankly, we don't have to resort to these tactics. You don't have to tell every
body that you are good. They know how to separate the lambs from the goats.

I worked in a hospital in Europe and America, and I always put my heart into everything I do. I don't have the intent to
blow away my superiors with how good I am. All I want is to excel in my line of work and if somebody notices and appreciates
it, well and good. With hard work and dedication, I was promoted fast in both places and I am saying that with all humility
and without a shade of braggadocio in it.

I also moonlight writing in magazines and newspapers, I even have a byline and a column in our local newspaper back
home. I do write to impress because I want my readers their full attention? I am writing to impress because I want my
readers to read my write-up in toto and I don't want them to stop until they're done reading it. I encourage writing to impress
because I want to entice my readers to come back and make my column his daily reading habit. These goals will not achieve
if what I offer to them is so-so and inferior. So for as long as you don't brag, you don't gloat or grandstand and you don't make
writing a vehicle to blow your horn, it is okay as long as the intentions are good.

Writing to impress inspires everyone to do their best and squeeze their intellectual juices to write a classic, a gem of a
novel. a magnum opus, a piece de resistance. If we are writing not to impress all writings that are delivered to us day
in and day out are of a mediocre type and the run-of-the-mill variety.

Being positive is better than being negative – even in writing!


I respect your opinion and appreciate the nuggets of wisdom shared in the above. There are sheaves of old manuscripts in my files that didn't see print in whichever form up to this writing. Under lock and key, they're for my personal consumption as at the time being. No one else, not even my cleaner, has ever laid eyes on the content of what's in the ageing manuscripts. I'd be putting them altogether in a presentable form one day when I retire. By then perhaps I should be convinced and congratulate myself. I trust this isn't "bad enough to sound negative".

However, I can't wait to react to issues particularly if I had to express a thing or two or if I wasn't given a fair chance to say my piece and be heard. Why do I aspire to bind these compiled manuscripts in a narrative form? Simple, to borrow your line, I'm hoping the big reveal will inspire those who will care to listen and for the young of mind who shall come after me. “… writing to inspire, to arouse, to educate …” There, you've said it yourself. I've been mentoring young minds for years on end. That may not be enough but within that comes the territory.

Without being abrasive or obtrusive, I want to acquit myself with equanimity. Insofar as I'm concerned, there's absolutely no need to impress anyone in the pages of these fora. But it's your call though, I've got none at stake, if doing that serves your purpose and matters to you. And BTW, splicing a solitary sentence from its mother paragraph had decontextualized what I was trying to say. No big deal. Readers can see between the lines, fine by me if they don't, it's to be the least among my concerns.

I hate to be talking about "us". Let's go back to the issues at hand.


I love how you fashion words into lines, and lines into rhymes. The printer's ink is really in your blood, I can tell.

About the splicing thingy, I thought about that. I was responding only to that phrase, not necessarily to what you
said. Your name should not even be dragged in the discussion, only that line in question.

I thought all the while quoting only that line will make the response short and concise. Because the mechanism
in Misso when you hit QUOTE, the whole content will cascade and there's an avalanche of information that was
written a while ago and now it's making its second appearance and I don't want the readers to be annoyed by that.

And you're absolutely right, splicing change the context of what you said when only the fragment of the paragraph
was placed under scrutiny. I saw splicing utilized in TV Patrol and it received a lot of flak from the fussy and meticulous
congressmen in the lower house. When one scene or interview is juxtaposed to another, it changes the tone and the
color of your testimonials. Any prudent writer should be aware of that. Mea culpa.

Regarding my columns and writings, unlike you, I have a hardbound copy of this book and is placed in our living room.
It was not only for my consumption, I gladly share it with my family and friends who want a glimpse of its contents.
Again the operative word here is SHARING and not SHOWING OFF.

You can still change your mind, however. I am not privy to your plans for the grand reveal, and if you think now is not
the right time, I will.
≈=================================
I'm not too sure if you, beautywatchnyc is complaining, bragging or feeling shameful/ shameless. I'm not so sure as to what feelings you're having while writing and commenting this thread. It never dawned on me what feelings should a reader be in your situations because every pieces of it are juxtaposed to each other . It's not easy to untangle, unveil or unfold those words that created the sentences into a paragraph. It's too much of words for just one single idea.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby koji » Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:58 pm

The I love my friend thread. :-@ %-(
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby Prozac » Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:55 pm

espersave wrote:

"Most of the time when I respond or write an article, I don't use figurative language or speech because I want my readers to react instantly and clearly without having to read twice or more just to understand the meaning of it. I will make sure that the lingo I used is something that everyone can decipher in simple terms and without having to use any jargon words and sentences where they ended up looking to Wikipedia, dictionary, thesaurus, almanac or any other books for references. My points of view will always be the window of myself both internally and externally as a person."

To borrow the words of Nathaniel Hawthorne, "EASY READING IS DAMN-HARD WRITING."

By the way, I am doing it again. I am grafting a branch of your response from the mother thread. I really hate
hitting the quote button, because it becomes redundant and monotonous, the whole process becomes a tedious
routine. I want it short and concise and direct to the point.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby beautywatchnyc » Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:22 pm

esperasave wrote:
Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:

You can still change your mind, however. I am not privy to your plans for the grand reveal, and if you think now is not
the right time, I will.
≈=================================
I'm not too sure if you, beautywatchnyc is complaining, bragging or feeling shameful/ shameless. I'm not so sure as to what feelings you're having while writing and commenting this thread. It never dawned on me what feelings should a reader be in your situations because every pieces of it are juxtaposed to each other . It's not easy to untangle, unveil or unfold those words that created the sentences into a paragraph. It's too much of words for just one single idea.


Don't belabor a thing! Stop the charade. You don't know me, I have no need to know you. Absolutely! It's best to stay that way. Have a glimpse. Does the word "enigma" ring a bell? There, that should suffice.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby esperasave » Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:03 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:

You can still change your mind, however. I am not privy to your plans for the grand reveal, and if you think now is not
the right time, I will.
≈=================================
I'm not too sure if you, beautywatchnyc is complaining, bragging or feeling shameful/ shameless. I'm not so sure as to what feelings you're having while writing and commenting this thread. It never dawned on me what feelings should a reader be in your situations because every pieces of it are juxtaposed to each other . It's not easy to untangle, unveil or unfold those words that created the sentences into a paragraph. It's too much of words for just one single idea.


Don't belabor a thing! Stop the charade. You don't know me, I have no need to know you. Absolutely! It's best to stay that way. Have a glimpse. Does the word "enigma" ring a bell? There, that should suffice.


As I have said, you are putting so much words but the readers are always at lost because of jargon sentences you make out of it. It's not a kind of give and take relationship whenever you drop a post or thread because you want us to take a look of your words but you always make us a fool out of yourself. It's not fair and equated.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby beautywatchnyc » Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:31 am

esperasave wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:

You can still change your mind, however. I am not privy to your plans for the grand reveal, and if you think now is not
the right time, I will.
≈=================================
I'm not too sure if you, beautywatchnyc is complaining, bragging or feeling shameful/ shameless. I'm not so sure as to what feelings you're having while writing and commenting this thread. It never dawned on me what feelings should a reader be in your situations because every pieces of it are juxtaposed to each other . It's not easy to untangle, unveil or unfold those words that created the sentences into a paragraph. It's too much of words for just one single idea.


Don't belabor a thing! Stop the charade. You don't know me, I have no need to know you. Absolutely! It's best to stay that way. Have a glimpse. Does the word "enigma" ring a bell? There, that should suffice.


As I have said, you are putting so much words but the readers are always at lost because of jargon sentences you make out of it. It's not a kind of give and take relationship whenever you drop a post or thread because you want us to take a look of your words but you always make us a fool out of yourself. It's not fair and equated.


Cge, pansinin kita. Problema sau insecure ka lang! You find fault on how I tap the range of my vocabulary? Don’t follow me instead. That negates the problem. I have no interest following you, either. I trust the feeling is mutual. "As I have said" ... wow ... mincing the big words. Coming from you? Excuse me! I only care to listen to those who are higher and above me. Condescending much? O bka jargon na nman sau yan.

Claiming to be a “spokesperson” of the readers of this forum? Who says? Was there an election? Who voted? Show me the returns? It’s just the self-anointed you, how pathetic is that. No one asked you to be spokesperson, Esperasave, you don't carry the mandate. Assumera ka lng o feelingera. Nag papapansin at sawsawera. Stop feeding me with your feigned concern. Stop being righteous. Overthinking isn’t worth it these days. Tigilan mo ako. I owe you nothing. Not even an iota of that hypocritical mind.

I swore to not entertain any thought about you since the day you bragged about what and how much you earn in dollar units. A gaffe, faux pas na kawalan ng respeto. It ended there. Neither am I taken by grandiose posturing aka grandstanding on your part. Nothing I should gain from all that.

Di na nga kta pinansin todo ka pa rin ng banat. To be candid -- stop lecturing on me, because tbh you Esperasave don’t qualify! If you can't stand what I'm saying, ignore, get bust, it's simple as you can get.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby esperasave » Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:00 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
esperasave wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
esperasave wrote:
Prozac wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:

You can still change your mind, however. I am not privy to your plans for the grand reveal, and if you think now is not
the right time, I will.
≈=================================
I'm not too sure if you, beautywatchnyc is complaining, bragging or feeling shameful/ shameless. I'm not so sure as to what feelings you're having while writing and commenting this thread. It never dawned on me what feelings should a reader be in your situations because every pieces of it are juxtaposed to each other . It's not easy to untangle, unveil or unfold those words that created the sentences into a paragraph. It's too much of words for just one single idea.


Don't belabor a thing! Stop the charade. You don't know me, I have no need to know you. Absolutely! It's best to stay that way. Have a glimpse. Does the word "enigma" ring a bell? There, that should suffice.


As I have said, you are putting so much words but the readers are always at lost because of jargon sentences you make out of it. It's not a kind of give and take relationship whenever you drop a post or thread because you want us to take a look of your words but you always make us a fool out of yourself. It's not fair and equated.


Cge, pansinin kita. Problema sau insecure ka lang! You find fault on how I tap the range of my vocabulary? Don’t follow me instead. That negates the problem. I have no interest following you, either. I trust the feeling is mutual. "As I have said" ... wow ... mincing the big words. Coming from you? Excuse me! I only care to listen to those who are higher and above me. Condescending much? O bka jargon na nman sau yan.

Claiming to be a “spokesperson” of the readers of this forum? Who says? Was there an election? Who voted? Show me the returns? It’s just the self-anointed you, how pathetic is that. No one asked you to be spokesperson, Esperasave, you don't carry the mandate. Assumera ka lng o feelingera. Nag papapansin at sawsawera. Stop feeding me with your feigned concern. Stop being righteous. Overthinking isn’t worth it these days. Tigilan mo ako. I owe you nothing. Not even an iota of that hypocritical mind.

I swore to not entertain any thought about you since the day you bragged about what and how much you earn in dollar units. A gaffe, faux pas na kawalan ng respeto. It ended there. Neither am I taken by grandiose posturing aka grandstanding on your part. Nothing I should gain from all that.

Di na nga kta pinansin todo ka pa rin ng banat. To be candid -- stop lecturing on me, because tbh you Esperasave don’t qualify! If you can't stand what I'm saying, ignore, get bust, it's simple as you can get.


How can we ignore your presence. You're in the public forum but then, you're making us a fool with your jargon and word salad sentences just like a schizophrenic person who can only understand himself because he creates his own world of fantasy.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby beautywatchnyc » Thu Sep 09, 2021 10:58 pm


Problem is all yours not mine, Esperasave. Ignore my presence, posts and replies. They're not meant for you. Don't force your attention on words or phrases you can't seem to understand. Don't stress yourself over things you have no control over. It will do you some good. You can stop learning for all I care.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby esperasave » Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:53 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
Problem is all yours not mine, Esperasave. Ignore my presence, posts and replies. They're not meant for you. Don't force your attention on words or phrases you can't seem to understand. Don't stress yourself over things you have no control over. It will do you some good. You can stop learning for all I care.


Most of the time, I can read everyone's mind in the forum but with you, everyone's just screwing up. It's all figurative of speech and Wiiliam Shakespeare's prototype of context.
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Re: Pageant Controversies Can Be Entertaining

Postby beautywatchnyc » Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:17 am

esperasave wrote:
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Problem is all yours not mine, Esperasave. Ignore my presence, posts and replies. They're not meant for you. Don't force your attention on words or phrases you can't seem to understand. Don't stress yourself over things you have no control over. It will do you some good. You can stop learning for all I care.


Most of the time, I can read everyone's mind in the forum but with you, everyone's just screwing up. It's all figurative of speech and Wiiliam Shakespeare's prototype of articles.


Sounds hopeful. All is not lost yet. At least you're not hosting anchovy-sized brain cells. Exercise the tiny lumps. They might still grow.
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