esperasave wrote:You forgot to add in the list of the current MGI winner to Kagandahang FLores. But it doesn't matter who is the number 1 or would not as long as they are still in existence to hone the skills of Women with their health, fitness, interview, presentation and talents. In turn, these Women have become more superior far beyond and above of any human race over the years.
Stoichio wrote:
The fate of Rabiya in Miss Universe next month will be a good gauge on A&Q as Rabiya’s preparation, wardrobe etc are exclusively with them (MUP Org is technically A&Q). They better prove it was a good move to give them the Miss Universe franchise.
radagasdas wrote:
Philippines' Osmel Souza - Aces & Queens or Kagandahang Flores?
Here are their official records to date (Big Four International Crowns Only)
ACES & QUEENS Beauty Camp
Miss World 2013 - Philippines
Miss Universe 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2016 - Philippines
KAGANDAHANG FLORES Training Camp
Miss International 2005 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2008 - Philippines
Miss International 2013 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2014 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2017 - Indonesia
Miss Earth 2017 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2018 - Vietnam
Miss Earth 2019 - Puerto Rico
Who is your winner here?
Notes: Local National pageants winners and
Major or Minor International pageants winners (runner ups, other placements included also) not included on this thread.
Separate thread will be needed to breakdown all the lists.
Stoichio wrote:
The fate of Rabiya in Miss Universe next month will be a good gauge on A&Q as Rabiya’s preparation, wardrobe etc are exclusively with them (MUP Org is technically A&Q). They better prove it was a good move to give them the Miss Universe franchise.
esperasave wrote:Stoichio wrote:
The fate of Rabiya in Miss Universe next month will be a good gauge on A&Q as Rabiya’s preparation, wardrobe etc are exclusively with them (MUP Org is technically A&Q). They better prove it was a good move to give them the Miss Universe franchise.
Rabiya's Aces and Queen beauty camp will be up against to any Kagandahang Flores trainee from a different country if ever KF fielded one for Miss Universe in May, considering they're training international girls. Thats a big PASAVOGUE for a beauty pageant journey for all of us. With Pia's batch, Miss Indonesia came on board and was placed in the semifinals courtesy of KF. Also, just what happened at MGI. KF was able to field 2 candidates and got them perfectly victorious. Aces and Queen is only good for Miss Universe but Kagandahang Flores can field in any Beauty Pageant with local and international candidates. I don't think Aces and Queens will ever step foot at BPCI anymore.
ambasing wrote:radagasdas wrote:
Philippines' Osmel Souza - Aces & Queens or Kagandahang Flores?
Here are their official records to date (Big Four International Crowns Only)
ACES & QUEENS Beauty Camp
Miss World 2013 - Philippines
Miss Universe 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2016 - Philippines
KAGANDAHANG FLORES Training Camp
Miss International 2005 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2008 - Philippines
Miss International 2013 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2014 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2017 - Indonesia
Miss Earth 2017 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2018 - Vietnam
Miss Earth 2019 - Puerto Rico
Who is your winner here?
Notes: Local National pageants winners and
Major or Minor International pageants winners (runner ups, other placements included also) not included on this thread.
Separate thread will be needed to breakdown all the lists.
Ms Earth hahahahahha alam na alam na yan hello..
Ms Universe - Ms World - at Ms International lang iconsider niyo pwede ba??
radagasdas wrote:ambasing wrote:radagasdas wrote:
Philippines' Osmel Souza - Aces & Queens or Kagandahang Flores?
Here are their official records to date (Big Four International Crowns Only)
ACES & QUEENS Beauty Camp
Miss World 2013 - Philippines
Miss Universe 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2016 - Philippines
KAGANDAHANG FLORES Training Camp
Miss International 2005 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2008 - Philippines
Miss International 2013 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2014 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2017 - Indonesia
Miss Earth 2017 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2018 - Vietnam
Miss Earth 2019 - Puerto Rico
Who is your winner here?
Notes: Local National pageants winners and
Major or Minor International pageants winners (runner ups, other placements included also) not included on this thread.
Separate thread will be needed to breakdown all the lists.
Ms Earth hahahahahha alam na alam na yan hello..
Ms Universe - Ms World - at Ms International lang iconsider niyo pwede ba??
Bakit ang Miss Venezuela nagpapadala pa rin ng mga delegates sa Miss Earth kung cheap para sa yo? Nahiya naman si Alyz Henrich at Osmel Souza sa yo.
Dutchess Gummybuns wrote:You guys forgot that Gazini Ganados was trained by both camps
esperasave wrote:radagasdas wrote:ambasing wrote:radagasdas wrote:
Philippines' Osmel Souza - Aces & Queens or Kagandahang Flores?
Here are their official records to date (Big Four International Crowns Only)
ACES & QUEENS Beauty Camp
Miss World 2013 - Philippines
Miss Universe 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2016 - Philippines
KAGANDAHANG FLORES Training Camp
Miss International 2005 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2008 - Philippines
Miss International 2013 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2014 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2017 - Indonesia
Miss Earth 2017 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2018 - Vietnam
Miss Earth 2019 - Puerto Rico
Who is your winner here?
Notes: Local National pageants winners and
Major or Minor International pageants winners (runner ups, other placements included also) not included on this thread.
Separate thread will be needed to breakdown all the lists.
Ms Earth hahahahahha alam na alam na yan hello..
Ms Universe - Ms World - at Ms International lang iconsider niyo pwede ba??
Bakit ang Miss Venezuela nagpapadala pa rin ng mga delegates sa Miss Earth kung cheap para sa yo? Nahiya naman si Alyz Henrich at Osmel Souza sa yo.
Oo nga, kacheapan pa ba yung magtrain ng international candidates?
radagasdas wrote:esperasave wrote:radagasdas wrote:ambasing wrote:radagasdas wrote:
Philippines' Osmel Souza - Aces & Queens or Kagandahang Flores?
Here are their official records to date (Big Four International Crowns Only)
ACES & QUEENS Beauty Camp
Miss World 2013 - Philippines
Miss Universe 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2016 - Philippines
KAGANDAHANG FLORES Training Camp
Miss International 2005 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2008 - Philippines
Miss International 2013 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2014 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2017 - Indonesia
Miss Earth 2017 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2018 - Vietnam
Miss Earth 2019 - Puerto Rico
Who is your winner here?
Notes: Local National pageants winners and
Major or Minor International pageants winners (runner ups, other placements included also) not included on this thread.
Separate thread will be needed to breakdown all the lists.
Ms Earth hahahahahha alam na alam na yan hello..
Ms Universe - Ms World - at Ms International lang iconsider niyo pwede ba??
Bakit ang Miss Venezuela nagpapadala pa rin ng mga delegates sa Miss Earth kung cheap para sa yo? Nahiya naman si Alyz Henrich at Osmel Souza sa yo.
Oo nga, kacheapan pa ba yung magtrain ng international candidates?
Remember the Philippines went to Colombia and Venezuela in mid 1990s to trained with the best trainors in those countries. At that time, di pa uso training camps sa Philippines noon. They're not selfish to share their success. It's all boils down to the girls to do their part. The training is useless if the girl didn't work and strive harder. Nothing wrong to share our blessings to other countries. Stop projecting a racist tone in your comment.
britney81 wrote:radagasdas wrote:esperasave wrote:radagasdas wrote:ambasing wrote:radagasdas wrote:
Philippines' Osmel Souza - Aces & Queens or Kagandahang Flores?
Here are their official records to date (Big Four International Crowns Only)
ACES & QUEENS Beauty Camp
Miss World 2013 - Philippines
Miss Universe 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2016 - Philippines
KAGANDAHANG FLORES Training Camp
Miss International 2005 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2008 - Philippines
Miss International 2013 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2014 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2015 - Philippines
Miss International 2017 - Indonesia
Miss Earth 2017 - Philippines
Miss Earth 2018 - Vietnam
Miss Earth 2019 - Puerto Rico
Who is your winner here?
Notes: Local National pageants winners and
Major or Minor International pageants winners (runner ups, other placements included also) not included on this thread.
Separate thread will be needed to breakdown all the lists.
Ms Earth hahahahahha alam na alam na yan hello..
Ms Universe - Ms World - at Ms International lang iconsider niyo pwede ba??
Bakit ang Miss Venezuela nagpapadala pa rin ng mga delegates sa Miss Earth kung cheap para sa yo? Nahiya naman si Alyz Henrich at Osmel Souza sa yo.
Oo nga, kacheapan pa ba yung magtrain ng international candidates?
Remember the Philippines went to Colombia and Venezuela in mid 1990s to trained with the best trainors in those countries. At that time, di pa uso training camps sa Philippines noon. They're not selfish to share their success. It's all boils down to the girls to do their part. The training is useless if the girl didn't work and strive harder. Nothing wrong to share our blessings to other countries. Stop projecting a racist tone in your comment.
1 day pasarela training, 1 day hair and makeup training, 1 day q&a training and 1 day pictorials, 1 day gown fitting. compare mo naman girl sa halos isang taon na training ng girls ngayon!
esquire27 wrote:There is no need to compare! To begin with, Miss Universe and Miss world pageants are far superior than Miss Earth. So, it does not matter if KF won numerous Miss Earth crowns. It is nothing compared to the Miss Universe and World titles of A and Q.
radagasdas wrote:esquire27 wrote:There is no need to compare! To begin with, Miss Universe and Miss world pageants are far superior than Miss Earth. So, it does not matter if KF won numerous Miss Earth crowns. It is nothing compared to the Miss Universe and World titles of A and Q.
What if another KF trained girl wins MUP 2021 in October 2021 for the Miss Universe 2021 in December 2021? Another tug of war between Aces & Queens and Kagandahang Flores for the training aspect. We know that MUP belongs to Aces & Queens technically, KF trained girls will have difficulty to win due to biases. Or another International queen KF trained to win Miss Universe 2021, why not? That's another possibility.
radagasdas wrote:esquire27 wrote:There is no need to compare! To begin with, Miss Universe and Miss world pageants are far superior than Miss Earth. So, it does not matter if KF won numerous Miss Earth crowns. It is nothing compared to the Miss Universe and World titles of A and Q.
What if another KF trained girl wins MUP 2021 in October 2021 for the Miss Universe 2021 in December 2021? Another tug of war between Aces & Queens and Kagandahang Flores for the training aspect. We know that MUP belongs to Aces & Queens technically, KF trained girls will have difficulty to win due to biases. Or another International queen KF trained to win Miss Universe 2021, why not? That's another possibility.
renegade wrote:radagasdas wrote:esquire27 wrote:There is no need to compare! To begin with, Miss Universe and Miss world pageants are far superior than Miss Earth. So, it does not matter if KF won numerous Miss Earth crowns. It is nothing compared to the Miss Universe and World titles of A and Q.
What if another KF trained girl wins MUP 2021 in October 2021 for the Miss Universe 2021 in December 2021? Another tug of war between Aces & Queens and Kagandahang Flores for the training aspect. We know that MUP belongs to Aces & Queens technically, KF trained girls will have difficulty to win due to biases. Or another International queen KF trained to win Miss Universe 2021, why not? That's another possibility.
Mahihirapan si KF sa Miss Universe - MJ Lastimosa, Rachel Peters and Gazini Ganados.
radagasdas wrote:Stoichio wrote:
The fate of Rabiya in Miss Universe next month will be a good gauge on A&Q as Rabiya’s preparation, wardrobe etc are exclusively with them (MUP Org is technically A&Q). They better prove it was a good move to give them the Miss Universe franchise.
Agree The truth parang sariling pageant nila ang Miss Universe PH organization. Other girls trained by other beauty camps will not likely given a fair and square competition. Never underestimate KF beauty camp, they will soon conquer the World and the Universe with true hard work and perseverance. It took them time to win their very Big 5 international crown for Miss International 2005, then the rest is history. 25 years going 26th year this 2021 is a no joke achievement.
mharlon wrote:Both camps are certified queen maker, which is the better camp depends on a per person's perspective...
If looking at the number of international crowns (Big 5) won, KF wins by a landslide. However, their girls have yet to win the top tier pageants Miss World and Miss Universe. None of their girls achieved podium finish on these two major pageant. Yes, they have cracked semifinals but that's it. KF's bets normally starts strong but lose steam at the finals stretch. Di pa nila ma crack ang correct formula for these two pageants...
Aces and Queens, while having won less Big 5 crowns, was able to snatch the most elusive, harder to win pageants. Winning the 1st Miss World crown for the Philippines will always be A&Q's bragging right. Tatak na nila yan! Also winning the 3rd Miss Universe crown CEMENTED their status as the premier pageant camp. Not to mention the 4 year top 5 streak of A&Q girls in Miss Universe is no mean feat. Recently though, Aces is on a slump in the international pageant stage. Their last successful girl was Ahtisa...
Right now, Aces is leading but KF is within striking distance. KF just needs to win either a MW or Miss Universe crown for them to be in the same level as A&Q. They can win all ME and MI crowns year in and year out but that would not elevate their status as a premier camp, sad to say. Actually kahit Miss Universe lang makuha ng KF, magiging ka level niya na achievement ng Aces...
RainBernardi wrote:radagasdas wrote:Stoichio wrote:
The fate of Rabiya in Miss Universe next month will be a good gauge on A&Q as Rabiya’s preparation, wardrobe etc are exclusively with them (MUP Org is technically A&Q). They better prove it was a good move to give them the Miss Universe franchise.
Agree The truth parang sariling pageant nila ang Miss Universe PH organization. Other girls trained by other beauty camps will not likely given a fair and square competition. Never underestimate KF beauty camp, they will soon conquer the World and the Universe with true hard work and perseverance. It took them time to win their very Big 5 international crown for Miss International 2005, then the rest is history. 25 years going 26th year this 2021 is a no joke achievement.
BUt Rabiya is from KF until she won MUP, correct me if I am wrong.
radagasdas wrote:RainBernardi wrote:radagasdas wrote:Stoichio wrote:
The fate of Rabiya in Miss Universe next month will be a good gauge on A&Q as Rabiya’s preparation, wardrobe etc are exclusively with them (MUP Org is technically A&Q). They better prove it was a good move to give them the Miss Universe franchise.
Agree The truth parang sariling pageant nila ang Miss Universe PH organization. Other girls trained by other beauty camps will not likely given a fair and square competition. Never underestimate KF beauty camp, they will soon conquer the World and the Universe with true hard work and perseverance. It took them time to win their very Big 5 international crown for Miss International 2005, then the rest is history. 25 years going 26th year this 2021 is a no joke achievement.
But Rabiya is from KF until she won MUP, correct me if I am wrong.
Yes she is a Kagandahang Flores trained beauty queen, I really don't know how the training went through despite the rivalries between the 2 camps. Tito Rod Flores remain silent on this. As we know no Aces girl won the top crown during the coronation finals of Miss Universe Philippines 2020. I don't know with Jonas Gaffud, one of the director of the said organization. He still identified with Aces & Queens as the founder. Whatever happens to her performance at the upcoming Miss Universe 2020 pageant in Florida, USA, whose camps will be credited on the success or failure afterwards.
mharlon wrote:Both camps are certified queen maker, which is the better camp depends on a per person's perspective...
If looking at the number of international crowns (Big 5) won, KF wins by a landslide. However, their girls have yet to win the top tier pageants Miss World and Miss Universe. None of their girls achieved podium finish on these two major pageant. Yes, they have cracked semifinals but that's it. KF's bets normally starts strong but lose steam at the finals stretch. Di pa nila ma crack ang correct formula for these two pageants...
Aces and Queens, while having won less Big 5 crowns, was able to snatch the most elusive, harder to win pageants. Winning the 1st Miss World crown for the Philippines will always be A&Q's bragging right. Tatak na nila yan! Also winning the 3rd Miss Universe crown CEMENTED their status as the premier pageant camp. Not to mention the 4 year top 5 streak of A&Q girls in Miss Universe is no mean feat. Recently though, Aces is on a slump in the international pageant stage. Their last successful girl was Ahtisa...
Right now, Aces is leading but KF is within striking distance. KF just needs to win either a MW or Miss Universe crown for them to be in the same level as A&Q. They can win all ME and MI crowns year in and year out but that would not elevate their status as a premier camp, sad to say. Actually kahit Miss Universe lang makuha ng KF, magiging ka level niya na achievement ng Aces...
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