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Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn lost?

Postby ajsy0203 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:03 am

    



Do you think the highly competitive edge of Catriona Gray prevented South Africa from getting the first "three peat" at Miss Universe? Why do you think Demi-Leigh and Zozibini were able to win the crown and Tamaryn wasn't?


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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby iamchelsea » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:45 pm

Tamaryn lost because Catriona slayed in all rounds of the competition. There's nothing wrong with Tamaryn. Without Catriona, she'd definitely be the winner.

But Catriona competed in her year, who always made sure that she will leave a lasting impression not only on the judges but also on the audience watching her. From the moment she stepped into Thailand's airport wearing a Thai inspired look, she proved that she's there more than winning., she's there to make an impression. Cat was just too much of a competition for anyone, but without her, Tamaryn was the next best.

Tamaryn's loss was justifiable, losing to Catriona will always be justifiable. Why? She always put herself out there to make an impression. Look at what she did when she landed in Colombia? She arrived wearing a Colombian flag-inspired jumpsuit, Typical queens don't even think of something like that.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby manoypoe » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:38 pm

iamchelsea wrote:Tamaryn lost because Catriona slayed in all rounds of the competition. There's nothing wrong with Tamaryn. Without Catriona, she'd definitely be the winner.

But Catriona competed in her year, who always made sure that she will leave a lasting impression not only on the judges but also on the audience watching her. From the moment she stepped into Thailand's airport wearing a Thai inspired look, she proved that she's there more than winning., she's there to make an impression. Cat was just too much of a competition for anyone, but without her, Tamaryn was the next best.

Tamaryn's loss was justifiable, losing to Catriona will always be justifiable. Why? She always put herself out there to make an impression. Look at what she did when she landed in Colombia? She arrived wearing a Colombian flag-inspired jumpsuit, Typical queens don't even think of something like that.


I share your sentiments. If Catriona competed with both Demi and Zozi on same year with the way she competed in 2018, there is no way Demi and Zozi could win. Catriona was simply unstoppable. She is a slayer!
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby blunderer » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:11 pm

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iamchelsea wrote:Tamaryn lost because Catriona slayed in all rounds of the competition. There's nothing wrong with Tamaryn. Without Catriona, she'd definitely be the winner.

But Catriona competed in her year, who always made sure that she will leave a lasting impression not only on the judges but also on the audience watching her. From the moment she stepped into Thailand's airport wearing a Thai inspired look, she proved that she's there more than winning., she's there to make an impression. Cat was just too much of a competition for anyone, but without her, Tamaryn was the next best.

Tamaryn's loss was justifiable, losing to Catriona will always be justifiable. Why? She always put herself out there to make an impression. Look at what she did when she landed in Colombia? She arrived wearing a Colombian flag-inspired jumpsuit, Typical queens don't even think of something like that.


Share your sentiments. If Catriona competed with both Demi and Zozi on same year with the way she competed in 2018, there is no way Demi and Zozi could win. Catriona was simply unstoppable. She is a slayer!


Up until now I am still waiting for a girl with her pageant savvy-ness in all the other Major Pageants. We still haven't found one.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby TheLochnbar » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:22 pm

blunderer wrote:
manoypoe wrote:
iamchelsea wrote:Tamaryn lost because Catriona slayed in all rounds of the competition. There's nothing wrong with Tamaryn. Without Catriona, she'd definitely be the winner.

But Catriona competed in her year, who always made sure that she will leave a lasting impression not only on the judges but also on the audience watching her. From the moment she stepped into Thailand's airport wearing a Thai inspired look, she proved that she's there more than winning., she's there to make an impression. Cat was just too much of a competition for anyone, but without her, Tamaryn was the next best.

Tamaryn's loss was justifiable, losing to Catriona will always be justifiable. Why? She always put herself out there to make an impression. Look at what she did when she landed in Colombia? She arrived wearing a Colombian flag-inspired jumpsuit, Typical queens don't even think of something like that.


Share your sentiments. If Catriona competed with both Demi and Zozi on same year with the way she competed in 2018, there is no way Demi and Zozi could win. Catriona was simply unstoppable. She is a slayer!


Up until now I am still waiting for a girl with her pageant savvy-ness in all the other Major Pageants. We still haven't found one.



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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby renegade » Fri Nov 13, 2020 7:47 pm

Tamaryn is miles ahead compared with Zozi and Demi. She competed in the wrong yr. Cat can annihilate Zozi and Demi any day.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby Oscillate » Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:57 pm

Demi is way way better than the overrated Tamaryn.

Though it is not a secret that she is better than Zozi. >:) >:) >:)
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby allezahpretty » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:59 am

ajsy0203 wrote:

Do you think the highly competitive edge of Catriona Gray prevented South Africa from getting the first "three peat" at Miss Universe? Why do you think Demi-Leigh and Zozibini were able to win the crown and Tamaryn wasn't?


IF CATRIONA DID NOT COMPETE THAT YEAR TAMARYN WILL BE A WINNER.

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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby Mariana Erwin » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:58 am

Yes, definitely! Given that Catriona was already competent in Miss World, she continued being competent in Miss Universe. The three recent Miss SAs are very competent - Zozi just was a dark horse that people overlooked. When Zozibini made it to the top 20, I was not surprised.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby JoelR » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:02 am

Tamaryn lost because of her EG performance. But I must say her styling was a lot better in prelims. I didn't like her make up on final night. The high pony tail was also a big no for me. I didn't care for the dress either. Her prelim dress was a lot better. She should've stuck with the color white. But it was a always between her and Cat. And I think after SS it was very close between Cat and Tam. After EG Cat took the lead. After the first Q&A Cat took a bigger lead as Tam answered well but ultimately, didn't really answer the question and gave a generic pageant patty answer.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby JamesCedricLim » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:17 pm

I dont want to sound boastful... but i think most of the ppl here would agree with me that when Catriona arrived in Thailand, the competition was over. They merely fighting who will be the first and second runner ups. Also even before they arrived in Thailand most prediction had Catriona as their Miss Universe and TG as their runner up.

It sealed the deal when during Prelims Catriona made a huge impact and noise with her Lava and Slow mo twirl. End of Story. But yes TG competed in the wrong year. i believe she is not really destined to be Miss Universe.

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Postby Astara » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:41 pm

SHE COULD EASILY BEAT DEMI AND ZOZI BUT SHE COULDNT ANSWER THE QUESTION WITH DIFFERENT CONCEPT?

YAN BA ANG BEST THAN DEMI AND ZOZI? WALANG IBANG MAISAGOT KUNDI WE ARE ALL HUMAN? KKLK!
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby elio » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:50 pm

YES, CATRIONA WAS UNBEATABLE,SHE IS MISS UNIVERSE BEFORE THE PAGEANT,AND WHEN SHE ARRIVES SHE KILLED EVERYONE.
IF CAT WAS NOT COMPETING ,TAMARYN WOULD HAVE WON AND ALSO MISS PUERTO RICO WAS AMAZING.

DEMI: STUNNING FACE ,ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FACES IN ALL PAGEANTS,SIMPLY RARE AND VERY GOOD SPEAKER.

TAMARYN: THE EXOTIC BEAUTY ,VERY ICONIC,UNUSUAL, KILLER ON STAGE, ANSWERS GOOD BUT CAT IS AN UNBEATABLE SPEAKER.

ZOZI: LOVELY GIRL WITH A STUNNING SMILE AND WHEN SPEAKS ,SHE SPEAKS GOLD.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby odnalor1960 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:18 pm

Tamaryn faltered in the final Q&A and this was the reason why she lost to Catriona
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Postby cabra_chupa » Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:39 pm

odnalor1960 wrote:Tamaryn faltered in the final Q&A and this was the reason why she lost to Catriona


luck was not on her side! she tripped on her gown and chocked in the final 3 q&a
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby iamchelsea » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:04 am

cabra_chupa wrote:
odnalor1960 wrote:Tamaryn faltered in the final Q&A and this was the reason why she lost to Catriona


luck was not on her side! she tripped on her gown and chocked in the final 3 q&a


I just realized this now upon looking back, Tamaryn's gown was less remarkable than Demi and Zozi's, and worse for her, Catriona's gown was unbeatable and iconic.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby aldoteng » Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:11 am

I didn't think Tamaryn was much of a performer either (SS, EG, interviews). She just has a supremely beautiful face that some say is even prettier than Cat. In terms of performance Venezuela and Vietnam were absolutely more memorable that year.
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Postby manoypoe » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:50 am

aldoteng wrote:I didn't think Tamaryn was much of a performer either (SS, EG, interviews). She just has a supremely beautiful face that some say is even prettier than Cat. In terms of performance Venezuela and Vietnam were absolutely more memorable that year.


More pretty than Catriona is debatable. Catriona's beauty has differend kind of charisma. I overhead my Arab male, yes you read it male, colleagues talking about beauty pageants. Never thought that they also liked beauty pageants. Another colleague said the most beautiful one she has seen is Catriona Gray.

What makes Catriona more beautiful is her personality. She is a complete package. During the finals night, her looks slayed everyone, in my opinion. Tamaryn looked inferior and she lacked that confidence standing side by side Catriona.

Until now, I am amazed how Catriona made herself more than just a beauty queen. She is more relevant than before.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby darthvader » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:08 am

Tamaryn just competed in the wrong year. She could easily win 2017 and 2019, esp 2019. If Zozi competed in 2018, she might just ended up in top 10 with Canda as replacement in Top 5.
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Postby darthvader » Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:13 am

aldoteng wrote:I didn't think Tamaryn was much of a performer either (SS, EG, interviews). She just has a supremely beautiful face that some say is even prettier than Cat. In terms of performance Venezuela and Vietnam were absolutely more memorable that year.


I quite agree on this. Her face, figure and lines screams regal. Her mere stature made her a standout. In terms of pasarela for me she isn' as strong as steph, hhen and cat.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby arkenken » Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:41 pm

Tamaryn was lucky she finished 1st runner up because MUO just likes her so much. IMO She is a perfect candidate in paper but she fell short in the final except for the opening statement.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby lucy » Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:44 pm

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aldoteng wrote:I didn't think Tamaryn was much of a performer either (SS, EG, interviews). She just has a supremely beautiful face that some say is even prettier than Cat. In terms of performance Venezuela and Vietnam were absolutely more memorable that year.


More pretty than Catriona is debatable. Catriona's beauty has differend kind of charisma. I overhead my Arab male, yes you read it male, colleagues talking about beauty pageants. Never thought that they also liked beauty pageants. Another colleague said the most beautiful one she has seen is Catriona Gray.

What makes Catriona more beautiful is her personality. She is a complete package. During the finals night, her looks slayed everyone, in my opinion. Tamaryn looked inferior and she lacked that confidence standing side by side Catriona.

Until now, I am amazed how Catriona made herself more than just a beauty queen. She is more relevant than before.


CAT'S LOOKS ARE TOO CAUCASIAN, VERY COMMON HERE IN ENGLAND, WHERAS TG IS A MORENA GODDESS, BUT I COMMEND CAT FOR WINNING OUR FIFTH Miss Universe CROWN, PLUS I KNOW THIS WILL EVEN GIVE YOU A HEARTACHE BUT OUR Miss Universe 2015 PIA IS MILES BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO PHYSICAL BEAUTY AND HAS A MORE QUEENLY AURA THAN CATRIONA, JUST MY OPINION, NO HATE :)>- :=p

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Postby manoypoe » Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:35 am

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aldoteng wrote:I didn't think Tamaryn was much of a performer either (SS, EG, interviews). She just has a supremely beautiful face that some say is even prettier than Cat. In terms of performance Venezuela and Vietnam were absolutely more memorable that year.


More pretty than Catriona is debatable. Catriona's beauty has differend kind of charisma. I overhead my Arab male, yes you read it male, colleagues talking about beauty pageants. Never thought that they also liked beauty pageants. Another colleague said the most beautiful one she has seen is Catriona Gray.

What makes Catriona more beautiful is her personality. She is a complete package. During the finals night, her looks slayed everyone, in my opinion. Tamaryn looked inferior and she lacked that confidence standing side by side Catriona.

Until now, I am amazed how Catriona made herself more than just a beauty queen. She is more relevant than before.


CAT'S LOOKS ARE TOO CAUCASIAN, VERY COMMON HERE IN ENGLAND, WHERAS TG IS A MORENA GODDESS, BUT I COMMEND CAT FOR WINNING OUR FIFTH Miss Universe CROWN, PLUS I KNOW THIS WILL EVEN GIVE YOU A HEARTACHE BUT OUR Miss Universe 2015 PIA IS MILES BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO PHYSICAL BEAUTY AND HAS A MORE QUEENLY AURA THAN CATRIONA, JUST MY OPINION, NO HATE :)>- :=p



Of course, that is your opinion. You have been sidelining Queen Cat coz of your love for Miss World. I love Queen Pia but Queen Cat is the best Miss Universe ever. Look how she still makes wave in Colombia, as if she still the reigning Queen. Queen Cat comnands respect and admiration. She is in store for larger things in years to come.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby JamesNaisse » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:57 am

I do not dwell on such because I already saw everyone’s reactions to this. All I am curious about now is how South africa and Philippines will fare in the next edition of miss universe. I hope it goes back to asia or a european girl wins. Honestly i wish for diversity of winners. Hopefully miss universe judges would choose someone who is exceptionally different from zozi, for diversity reasons.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby unbreakable » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:03 pm

Tamaryn is way better tha Demi and Zozi.. =0 =0



But Catriona was simply unbeatable.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby The.Apprentice » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:39 pm

Demi-Leigh & Zozi ATE everybody during the final show, they just simply had no competition.
Demi's victory was as obvious as Paulina's, there was no question. Laura gave a good fight but Demi had it in the bag from early on.
Zozi won the moment she opened her mouth and everybody knows that. She is everything IMG and MUO hoped to see in a titleholder.

Tamaryn was excellent, but she faced Catriona who also was one of the most obvious winners. The 2018 girls fought for second place because Catriona was on another level.
Nevertheless, Tamaryn and Catriona make one of my favorite top 2 ever, along with Taliana and Dayana. Perfection.
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby Oma-san » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:25 am

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aldoteng wrote:I didn't think Tamaryn was much of a performer either (SS, EG, interviews). She just has a supremely beautiful face that some say is even prettier than Cat. In terms of performance Venezuela and Vietnam were absolutely more memorable that year.


More pretty than Catriona is debatable. Catriona's beauty has differend kind of charisma. I overhead my Arab male, yes you read it male, colleagues talking about beauty pageants. Never thought that they also liked beauty pageants. Another colleague said the most beautiful one she has seen is Catriona Gray.

What makes Catriona more beautiful is her personality. She is a complete package. During the finals night, her looks slayed everyone, in my opinion. Tamaryn looked inferior and she lacked that confidence standing side by side Catriona.

Until now, I am amazed how Catriona made herself more than just a beauty queen. She is more relevant than before.


CAT'S LOOKS ARE TOO CAUCASIAN, VERY COMMON HERE IN ENGLAND, WHERAS TG IS A MORENA GODDESS, BUT I COMMEND CAT FOR WINNING OUR FIFTH Miss Universe CROWN, PLUS I KNOW THIS WILL EVEN GIVE YOU A HEARTACHE BUT OUR Miss Universe 2015 PIA IS MILES BETTER WHEN IT COMES TO PHYSICAL BEAUTY AND HAS A MORE QUEENLY AURA THAN CATRIONA, JUST MY OPINION, NO HATE :)>- :=p



Of course, that is your opinion. You have been sidelining Queen Cat coz of your love for Miss World. I love Queen Pia but Queen Cat is the best Miss Universe ever. Look how she still makes wave in Colombia, as if she still the reigning Queen. Queen Cat comnands respect and admiration. She is in store for larger things in years to come.


Of course Cat is more fluent in English and intelligent (not because of that fluency), taller and commercial-looking. But it can't be denied that Pia's win was more fun to watch and her body, the way the final answer clicked and the way her beauty shone especially in the swimsuit gown was undeniable. In my opinion, Ariadna only beat her in the final look with Seal. That, and the first interview round was where Pia faltered. Anyway, for me, the winner of the first Q&A round was Miss USA but the final question obviously held more importance.

Pia is more beautiful, no doubt. Cat, although very pretty, looks quite generic as you would find in Hollywood actresses. Cat, on the other hand, gave a great show but I felt most of that credit went not just to her but her team. The lava concept sealed the deal along with the SLO-MO twirl.

Pia may have won by luck but she comes across as more grounded and relatable than Cat. So it's Pia for me!
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby Oma-san » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:29 am

I would have loved Brazil win in 2019 but Zozi was a favourite too and I was so impressed with her final look, the gown and her final answer. Demi-Leigh is such a pretty girl, out of this world, who exudes youthful vibes but her performance was shaky and when I saw her gown on HQ, it disappointed me. I don't think she deserved to win. Tamaryn was a great barbie but her performance was bad and her final look, the gown was not retailored to her walk so the ill-fitting gown did not look good with the flamboyant oversized hair. She screwed her answer too! I think H'hen Nie should have won instead in 2018 over Tamaryn! But the Philippines were waiting for their well-deserved second win and so much hard work and effort had gone into the preparation of Cat. Of course, she worked hard too. After countless injustices, notably the unfair results of 2012 and the lower ranking of Ariella Arida in 2013 when she should have placed 1st runner-up to Spain's Patricia Rodriquez, I could digest this Philippine win although my favourite in the final show was H'hen Nie. Cat should have actually won in 2016 at Miss World but that would have deprived the great lava/slo-mo presentation in Miss Universe 2018. My humble thoughts :)>-
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby Juan Sebastian » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:08 pm

I knew that Demi-Leigh was going to win Miss Universe as soon as she won Miss South Africa, she was always unbeatable to me and it was a competition for first runner up. I was so sick during Miss Universe 2017 and could not pay attention but as soon as she walked out on stage, I will never forget it, she looked incredible and I knew it was over in that moment for everyone else. Love her and one of the most underrated MUs!

If Tamaryn competed another year, she would have probably won as well. But she also struggled to walk in her gown and fumbled her final question, but she was also against Catriona who was also unbeatable and a clear winner. Like Demi, I knew Cat would win Miss Universe as soon as she won Miss Philippines, we all knew it and you were either delusional or in denial if you did not.

And Zozibini is one of the most articulate Miss Universes ever, first of all she is stunning and anyone who says otherwise is racist, her smile lit up the entire stage and even though she does not destroy the runway like Catriona does for example, she still stood out, looked like she was having a lot of fun and her evening gown performance was amazing. She has the stage presence! But as soon as she talked, it was over for anyone else as well
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Re: Contrasted Endings: Why Demi-Leign & Zozi won, Tamaryn l

Postby Oma-san » Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:46 pm

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iamchelsea wrote:Tamaryn lost because Catriona slayed in all rounds of the competition. There's nothing wrong with Tamaryn. Without Catriona, she'd definitely be the winner.

But Catriona competed in her year, who always made sure that she will leave a lasting impression not only on the judges but also on the audience watching her. From the moment she stepped into Thailand's airport wearing a Thai inspired look, she proved that she's there more than winning., she's there to make an impression. Cat was just too much of a competition for anyone, but without her, Tamaryn was the next best.

Tamaryn's loss was justifiable, losing to Catriona will always be justifiable. Why? She always put herself out there to make an impression. Look at what she did when she landed in Colombia? She arrived wearing a Colombian flag-inspired jumpsuit, Typical queens don't even think of something like that.


I share your sentiments. If Catriona competed with both Demi and Zozi on same year with the way she competed in 2018, there is no way Demi and Zozi could win. Catriona was simply unstoppable. She is a slayer!


Honestly, the Q&A was where Catriona lost her momentum. So Zozi would have won over her in my opinion. But no one could have beat her SS/lava gown. I think Pia and Janine's answers would have fared better against Zozi's. In fact, I think Janine's answer is better and unlike Pia, Janine seems to be extremely responsive in English giving intelligent answers!
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