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Postby The Duchess » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:28 pm

    

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To the people all offended at transsexual been mentally ill the reason why it is consider a mental illness is because they are delusional they think they are a women when in fact they are a man. Stop trying to argue facts in the name of SJW craziness. Those people need therapy not a money hungry Doctor to castrated them and put some fake breast implants in them.


Wouldn't expect any less coming from you. :-&


That for you baby so you join the statistics you disgusting degenerate

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Your childish comebacks are so tired, just like everything that has to do with you. You've never been, nor will you ever be RELEVANT in here, so shush! Your opinions are senseless and you always seem so irrational about everything. You are just a mere peasant. Loca explotá.


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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby Beta » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:36 pm

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georgj16 wrote:Wow. I'm speechless with the amount of hatred and ignorance there is on this forum. Specially coming from gay people. We are doing what the world did to us AND STILL DOES TO US TO THIS DAY. Learn and grow up.


Unfortunally some gay people think they above trans and some even above bi... its sad to see some treat others with the same privilage they received


I've noticed this curious trend from the gays in this board ever since Jenna T competed. I respect that some people may not agree with Transgenders competing in Miss Universe - that's totally fine; but to dismiss their very existence as abomination and not worthy of consideration is another.
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Postby rockondude » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:38 pm

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valleriam wrote:
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valleriam wrote:
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To the people all offended at transsexual been mentally ill the reason why it is consider a mental illness is because they are delusional they think they are a women when in fact they are a man. Stop trying to argue facts in the name of SJW craziness. Those people need therapy not a money hungry Doctor to castrated them and put some fake breast implants in them.


Wouldn't expect any less coming from you. :-&


That for you baby so you join the statistics you disgusting degenerate

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Your childish comebacks are so tired, just like everything that has to do with you. You've never been, nor will you ever be RELEVANT in here, so shush! Your opinions are senseless and you always seem so irrational about everything. You are just a mere peasant. Loca explotá.


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Postby Beta » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:43 pm

manoypoe wrote:HOPE THAT THOSE WHO KEEP ON SAYING THAT WE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO ANGELIA'S PARTICIPATION IN MISS UNIVERSE HAVE HATRED AGAINST TRANS OR ARE IGNORANT. JUST BECAUSE WE DONT AGREE WITH YOU, YOU CALL OR LABEL US WITH MANY NAMES, AND ACCUSE OF HATRED AGAINST THE TRANS OR WHATEVER. NO HATRED HERE, WHY WE SHOULD HAVE THEM? IT IS JUST AN OPPOSING OPINION, WE MAY SOUND PASSIONATE WITH OUR STAND OR BELIEFS, THAT IS NORMAL. SAME AS YOU, YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE BUT WE DONT CONSIDER YOU IGNORANT BUT ONLY WITH SCREWED BELIEFS. :%)) :%))

YOU DEMAND TO BE RESPECTED, THEN RESPECT THE OPPOSING OPINIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FORCE YOUR SCREWED BELIEF IN US. SAME US WE, WE ARE ONLY STATING OUR STAND AND ARE OPPOSING YOUR BELIEFS. :-* :-* :%)) :%)) =D> =D>


But here's the problem, my friend - it's ok to disagree.
But it's not ok to point out "fraud", "mentally ill", etc.... it's basic human respect to let people be who they're comfortable being - have they done anything wrong to you or me even?? Who are we really to judge?
I'm not singling you out, I'm pretty sure you've been respectful. just sayin, some other people here are just plain nasty.
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Postby georgj16 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:00 pm

manoypoe wrote:HOPE THAT THOSE WHO KEEP ON SAYING THAT WE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO ANGELIA'S PARTICIPATION IN MISS UNIVERSE HAVE HATRED AGAINST TRANS OR ARE IGNORANT. JUST BECAUSE WE DONT AGREE WITH YOU, YOU CALL OR LABEL US WITH MANY NAMES, AND ACCUSE OF HATRED AGAINST THE TRANS OR WHATEVER. NO HATRED HERE, WHY WE SHOULD HAVE THEM? IT IS JUST AN OPPOSING OPINION, WE MAY SOUND PASSIONATE WITH OUR STAND OR BELIEFS, THAT IS NORMAL. SAME AS YOU, YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE BUT WE DONT CONSIDER YOU IGNORANT BUT ONLY WITH SCREWED BELIEFS. :%)) :%))

YOU DEMAND TO BE RESPECTED, THEN RESPECT THE OPPOSING OPINIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FORCE YOUR SCREWED BELIEF IN US. SAME US WE, WE ARE ONLY STATING OUR STAND AND ARE OPPOSING YOUR BELIEFS. :-* :-* :%)) :%)) =D> =D>


"HOPE THAT THOSE WHO KEEP ON SAYING THAT WE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO WOMEN VOTNG/EQUAL RIGHTS FOR BLACK HAVE HATRED AGAINST WOMEN OR BLACKS OR ARE IGNORANT. JUST BECAUSE WE DONT AGREE WITH YOU, YOU CALL OR LABEL US WITH MANY NAMES, AND ACCUSE OF HATRED AGAINST WOMEN OR BLACKS OR WHATEVER. NO HATRED HERE, WHY WE SHOULD HAVE THEM? IT IS JUST AN OPPOSING OPINION, WE MAY SOUND PASSIONATE WITH OUR STAND OR BELIEFS, THAT IS NORMAL. SAME AS YOU, YOU ARE SO PASSIONATE BUT WE DONT CONSIDER YOU IGNORANT BUT ONLY WITH SCREWED BELIEFS.
YOU DEMAND TO BE RESPECTED, THEN RESPECT THE OPPOSING OPINIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FORCE YOUR SCREWED BELIEF IN US. SAME US WE, WE ARE ONLY STATING OUR STAND AND ARE OPPOSING YOUR BELIEFS."


See how stupid and yes, IGNORANT you sound?
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Postby Atomik » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:13 pm

Hope Paula Shugart kicks her old and wrinkled ass and gives Ximena the Mexico's Universe franchise...I can't stand Lupita anymore!!! ~X( ~X( ~X(
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Postby Paquita Banana » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:50 am

Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it ?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .
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Postby Beta » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:58 am

Paquita Banana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it ?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .


C'mon Paqz, there's really nothing you can do she will compete whether you like it or not.

- nobody here's shovin anything down your throats. if you don't like her, fine - no need to stomp on her over and over though...

btw where the heck is Pawee??? MIA??
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Postby Paquita Banana » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:00 am

If there’s a nuclear holocaust and all the gorgeous women died ... then all these people singing high praises to Mr. Spain have a valid reason .
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Postby Paquita Banana » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:04 am

Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it ?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .


C'mon Paqz, there's really nothing you can do she will compete whether you like it or not.

- nobody here's shovin anything down your throats. if you don't like her, fine - no need to stomp on her over and over though...

btw where the heck is Pawee??? MIA??


Mr. Spain will just be like Miss Iraq of last year.
Like oh how nice , Iraq sent a candidate ... this time around oh thats nice Spain sent a transgender.
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Postby Paquita Banana » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:09 am

This year is so competitive.
3 will be selected from Europe right .
Right there and then Mr.Spain will have a very tough competition.

Getting a wild card is even tougher with so many women to choose from .
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Postby Beta » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:11 am

Paquita Banana wrote:
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Paquita Banana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it ?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .


C'mon Paqz, there's really nothing you can do she will compete whether you like it or not.

- nobody here's shovin anything down your throats. if you don't like her, fine - no need to stomp on her over and over though...

btw where the heck is Pawee??? MIA??


Mr. Spain will just be like Miss Iraq of last year.
Like oh how nice , Iraq sent a candidate ... this time around oh thats nice Spain sent a transgender.


well, there's a first time for everything. as long as they don't give Angela a token placement, I'm good with it. Coz after all, equality is equality in every sense of the word. I think she's golden, but the competition is tough - incredibly tough this year!!
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Postby Paquita Banana » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:17 am

Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:
Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it ?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .


C'mon Paqz, there's really nothing you can do she will compete whether you like it or not.

- nobody here's shovin anything down your throats. if you don't like her, fine - no need to stomp on her over and over though...

btw where the heck is Pawee??? MIA??


Mr. Spain will just be like Miss Iraq of last year.
Like oh how nice , Iraq sent a candidate ... this time around oh thats nice Spain sent a transgender.


well, there's a first time for everything. as long as they don't give Angela a token placement, I'm good with it. Coz after all, equality is equality in every sense of the word. I think she's golden, but the competition is tough - incredibly tough this year!!


Have you seen the Rate This Candidate thread in the global announcement?
Mr. Spain got a low rating ... in the 7 range I think

Well yeah ... it’s just a thread
But Sherrie Hill ignored Mr. Spain ... did not let him walk for her
Just connect the dots
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Postby Beta » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:21 am

Paquita Banana wrote:
Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:
Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it ?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .


C'mon Paqz, there's really nothing you can do she will compete whether you like it or not.

- nobody here's shovin anything down your throats. if you don't like her, fine - no need to stomp on her over and over though...

btw where the heck is Pawee??? MIA??


Mr. Spain will just be like Miss Iraq of last year.
Like oh how nice , Iraq sent a candidate ... this time around oh thats nice Spain sent a transgender.


well, there's a first time for everything. as long as they don't give Angela a token placement, I'm good with it. Coz after all, equality is equality in every sense of the word. I think she's golden, but the competition is tough - incredibly tough this year!!


Have you seen the Rate This Candidate thread in the global announcement?
Mr. Spain got a low rating ... in the 7 range I think

Well yeah ... it’s just a thread
But Sherrie Hill ignored Mr. Spain ... did not let him walk for her
Just connect the dots


like i said, the competition is tough! if i remember right, 7 isn't the lowest number either!
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Postby Paquita Banana » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:26 am

Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:
Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:
Beta wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it ?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .


C'mon Paqz, there's really nothing you can do she will compete whether you like it or not.

- nobody here's shovin anything down your throats. if you don't like her, fine - no need to stomp on her over and over though...

btw where the heck is Pawee??? MIA??


Mr. Spain will just be like Miss Iraq of last year.
Like oh how nice , Iraq sent a candidate ... this time around oh thats nice Spain sent a transgender.


well, there's a first time for everything. as long as they don't give Angela a token placement, I'm good with it. Coz after all, equality is equality in every sense of the word. I think she's golden, but the competition is tough - incredibly tough this year!!


Have you seen the Rate This Candidate thread in the global announcement?
Mr. Spain got a low rating ... in the 7 range I think

Well yeah ... it’s just a thread
But Sherrie Hill ignored Mr. Spain ... did not let him walk for her
Just connect the dots


like i said, the competition is tough! if i remember right, 7 isn't the lowest number either!



My bad ...
His score is 6.47 and nowhere near the top 20.
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Postby RMadrid » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:21 am

Sick seeing others being so hateful against a trans women, especially since a lot of us on here are part of the LGBTQ+ community. A lot of trans people have helped pave the way for LGBT rights and have then been forgotten once some equality was achieved.

Im glad Angela is continuing the fight for equality with her participation this year. MUO (and even MW) has clearly stated trans women CAN COMPETE as long as they provide documentation stating they are female. At the end of the day y'all can be bitter but SHE IS ALLOWED TO COMPETE. END OF STORY.
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Postby QueenAnne » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:28 am

We can argue about transgenders and their legalities, rights, mental health, spiritual and societal ramifications until we are blue in the face but the fact remains that they are allowed to compete in Miss Universe as long as they have papers stating they are legally declared as females in their country of representation.
Lupita stated:

In Mexico, all these requirements are still not met 100% due to the laws in our country. While the legislation is not a 100% with the guidelines of Miss Universe, they will not be accepted.


If I understand correctly, she only said that as long as Mexico isn't legally declaring trans women as legally women then they are not allowing trans women to participate in their National contest. She also shared her personal opinion on the matter, which is her right as a human being (not just as a heterosexual) so I don't see why people are calling for her head. We can just agree to disagree, you know.

As for Angela, I respect her determination to show her advocacy on the Miss Universe stage, for whatever reason she may have. In my humble opinion, I hope she wasn't judged (negatively or advantageously) for her sexual orientation/preference. If she truly wants to compete as a woman, then I hope she competes equally, and shouldn't be given special consideration just because she is trans. The LGBTQIA+ doesn't have the monopoly on discrimination, inequality, barriers, etc. after all.

Personally for now, I choose to side with Biology to decide a person's gender because humans and society are fallible and are prone to mistakes, but on the other hand are also capable of tireless research to find scientific truth. Until then, I won't be shoving my beliefs on others as "truth" because half of us can turn out to be right and the other half wrong.
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Postby GARAM PHANG » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:04 am

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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby seng129 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:40 am

You have your voice. We respect. But, Angela is the official candidate to represent Spain and Miss Universe Organization allow it. Continue to voice your opinion, but u won't be able to change anything....

This is what i call... =;)) =;)) =;))

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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby seng129 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:58 am

Paquita Banana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubbles of some people here ...but shoving down Mr. Spain into people’s throats will not work .
There’s no bias , discrimination , bigotry or what have you.
He’s simply not pretty .
Just because he’s gay we’ll all gonna buy it?
Reality check : there’s no shortage of gorgeous real women in the world .


Honey. Sorry to burst too. Miss Spain will be going to compete in Miss Universe. It's going to work for her. Accept it !

She's simply pretty and perfect choice for Spain. Hand down :7 :7 :7

If she's gay, so what, I'm going to buy it.

Reality check: there's no shortage of ignorant in this beautiful World... Amen :!! :!! :!!
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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby willangel79 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:53 am

Angela is allowed by MUO to compete. What I'm interested in is what comes during and after she competes.

Will the noise that she might create affects the over-all acceptance for the trans community? Or it will just be that... a noise?

My concern is this. A beauty pageant contestant, glamour and all that it encompasses, is not the ONLY definition of what a woman is. If she wants to empower transgender community, I think it is the wrong venue. If Angela wins, then maybe she could make a difference, but will it be good for MUO? But if she loses, she may just be another passing candidate who dreamed of being in a pageant.

If she wins, will she get the respect that she yearns for? for herself and for the trans community? Because to be honest, a lot of queens suggested in the past that it can be a powerful platform for women, but really? How many Miss Universe winners used their reign to make a difference? Maybe in Miss World, but Miss Universe, ME or even MGI? Who made a difference, even for a tiny bit?

My point is, for now, I have doubts about Angela being a representative of the trans community in Miss Universe. I'm sure she joined pageants for herself, to feel that she is a real woman and that stops there.I do hope I'm wrong, but before anybody here says I'm wrong, let's see first after the pageant.
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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby FranciaREGINA » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:07 pm

Atomik wrote:Hope Paula Shugart kicks her old and wrinkled ass and gives Ximena the Mexico's Universe franchise...I can't stand Lupita anymore!!! ~X( ~X( ~X(
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