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Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:23 pm

    



Lupita: On a personal level, I do not agree either. I do not think that the competition is taking place under equal circumstances. They say that she is to be respected as another competitor, but from the get-go she isn't, because she is entering the competition with a different label, a label that makes a difference with the other contestants. In Mexico, all these requirements are still not met 100% due to the laws in our country. While the legislation is not a 100% with the guidelines of Miss Universe, they will not be accepted.

She was asked if she thinks her opinion may be discriminatory against the LGBT community and this is what she had to say:

Everyone feels discriminated against. Everything you say is used against you. I believe that since certain groups demand respect for their freedom of expression, heterosexuals also deserve the right to express our opinion.


BY THE WAY, I'm paraphrasing.

I'd like to know your opinion.

What do you guys think? Do you agree with her statements?

As a former Miss Universe that she is, do you think she expressed herself well?


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Postby Juan Sebastian » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:31 pm

I completely agree with her statement but she's just one of those people I cannot take seriously no matter what she says. I know this is unrelated but I remember when she licked Demi's ass so much when she went to Mexico a few months ago and was using "#unbreakable" for everything. Mexico you need to get rid of her, she's a spiteful old abusive woman who wants to be Mexico's only Miss Universe ever and is desperately trying to be relevant. Ximena is and will always outshine her and Lupita will always look like a joke every time she opens her mouth. I cannot wait to hear in a few months how she probably abused Andrea Toscano somehow in her Miss Universe prep.
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Postby chellomellow » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:46 pm

Absolutely agree with her! I love how she isn't scared to share her honest opinion. One of the best queens of all times... BTW the World Health Organization (WHO) had listed 'transgender' as a mental illness... Then came the LGBTQIA+ outrage to get it removed. Even in medical health. it is becoming politically correct! That isn't right!
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Postby manoypoe » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:52 pm

NOW WE ARE TALKING. LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. DON'T ASK THE CONTESTANTS COZ THEY WILL BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND THEY WILL BE BULLIED BY THOSE WHO WANT THEIR KIND TO BE RESPECTED.
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Postby Paquita Banana » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:58 pm

She’s doing a borderline Hillary Clinton .
Choosing words very carefully .

I like Colombia’s answer better .
It’s more meaty .
Plus she said she respects Mr. Spain’s participation . Colombia doesn’t agree with the MUO but said stuff with grace .
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Postby hauteegirl » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:59 pm

She's very diplomatic and i agree with her.
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Postby pilyangfilipina » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:59 pm

valleriam wrote:

Lupita: On a personal level, I do not agree either. I do not think that the competition is taking place under equal circumstances. They say that she is to be respected as another competitor, but from the get-go she isn't, because she is entering the competition with a different label, a label that makes a difference with the other contestants. In Mexico, all these requirements are still not met 100% due to the laws in our country. While the legislation is not a 100% with the guidelines of Miss Universe, they will not be accepted.

She was asked if she thinks her opinion may be discriminatory against the LGBT community and this is what she had to say:

Everyone feels discriminated against. Everything you say is used against you. I believe that since certain groups demand respect for their freedom of expression, heterosexuals also deserve the right to express our opinion.


BY THE WAY, I'm paraphrasing.

I'd like to know your opinion.

What do you guys think? Do you agree with her statement
As a former Miss Universe that she is, do you think she expressed herself well?









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Postby hahahahuhu » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:00 pm

I may not like her but I agree with her 100%. Acceptance needs respect. RESPECT the identity of Miss Universe please...STOP overusing diversity, inclusivity etc. etc. We should also respect boundaries. We should never get everything we want, we should know our place.
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Postby pineal » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:16 pm

chellomellow wrote:Absolutely agree with her! I love how she isn't scared to share her honest opinion. One of the best queens of all times... BTW the World Health Organization (WHO) had listed 'transgender' as a mental illness... Then came the LGBTQIA+ outrage to get it removed. Even in medical health. it is becoming politically correct! That isn't right!


No that's just what humans do, learn and evolve. WHO did this because of authentic research from around the world.
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Postby mrgary » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:28 pm

I am not a fan of Lupita Jones but this time, I completely concur with her. Transgenders must stay in their lane. There are so many pageants catered to their needs. Why is there a need to conquer female beauty pageants? Do the transgenders do these to validate themselves that they are women? I thought that their changing their sex organs to female already makes them a woman since this is their clamour, so why the need to join Miss Universe or Miss World? Where is the respect for REAL women? Yes, Angelo might have won the Miss Spain title, but let me ask the LGBT community: Have you, guys, thought that maybe his winning the title was a pressure brought about by you, guys, on the organisation? Perhaps, Angelo won because the Spanish organisation was too scared to express themselves for the sake of political correctness, lest it'd suffer from your wrath? Everything is not about you, guys, because you are NOT the majority. You are only a section of the whole world's population. Everything is not about inclusion, either. Sometimes, we have to step back in order to move forward. Learn to stay in your boundaries, please, so respect will be maintained. Not everyone embraces your lifestyle. Others like me are only TOLERATING your "uniqueness"; however, we are also human and humane. We can run of patience when we are constantly bombarded by your agenda. If you, guys, are happy with your sex change, then please keep it to yourselves. You do not have to shout it to the world that you have brand new vaginas in order to be validated as women.
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Postby Stoichio » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:41 pm


I agree with chellomellow: it’s a mental illness!
It was proven by science.
Many trans are actually wanting their original sexes back.
They have unstable psyche, and it’s probably brought about by their upbringing.
It’s the same thing as a killer mind, they became serial killers because of what they experience early on in life...they may not notice about it even until it became their way of life.

The psychology of human brain is one of the most complex indeed.



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Postby MariaAndreina » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:44 pm



I agree with her 100% but for some of you to suggest being a transgender is due to mental illness is just.. ugh. This is why anyone who disagrees with transgenders competing in Miss Universe are automatically cataloged as transphobic.

A lot of you are gay, think of how many people to this day believe homosexuality is a mental illness when that’s just flat out wrong. And now you come around labeling transgenders in the same manner?

Let people do whatever the hell they want with their bodies and be respected for it. For me, the problem arises once people begin to suggest a transgender woman is the same as a woman.
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Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:57 pm

MariaAndreina wrote:

I agree with her 100% but for some of you to suggest being a transgender is due to mental illness is just.. ugh. This is why anyone who disagrees with transgenders competing in Miss Universe are automatically cataloged as transphobic.

A lot of you are gay, think of how many people to this day believe homosexuality is a mental illness when that’s just flat out wrong. And now you come around labeling transgenders in the same manner?

Let people do whatever the hell they want with their bodies and be respected for it. For me, the problem arises once people begin to suggest a transgender woman is the same as a woman.



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Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:58 pm

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I completely agree with her statement but she's just one of those people I cannot take seriously no matter what she says. I know this is unrelated but I remember when she licked Demi's ass so much when she went to Mexico a few months ago and was using "#unbreakable" for everything. Mexico you need to get rid of her, she's a spiteful old abusive woman who wants to be Mexico's only Miss Universe ever and is desperately trying to be relevant. Ximena is and will always outshine her and Lupita will always look like a joke every time she opens her mouth. I cannot wait to hear in a few months how she probably abused Andrea Toscano somehow in her Miss Universe prep.


I don't like her. She acts like her shit don't stink and always has this arrogant tone of speaking. I think she's nasty.
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Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:59 pm

Stoichio wrote:
I agree with chellomellow: it’s a mental illness!
It was proven by science.
Many trans are actually wanting their original sexes back.
They have unstable psyche, and it’s probably brought about by their upbringing.
It’s the same thing as a killer mind, they became serial killers because of what they experience early on in life...they may not notice about it even until it became their way of life.

The psychology of human brain is one of the most complex indeed.



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This time around, I have to disagree. To say it's a mental illness as if it's a fact I think it's a little risky... :-*
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Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:00 pm

hauteegirl wrote:She's very diplomatic and i agree with her.


Diplomatic? Hmmm. I don't see her in that light, ever. She's plain rude and arrogant.
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Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:03 pm

Paquita Banana wrote:She’s doing a borderline Hillary Clinton .
Choosing words very carefully .

I like Colombia’s answer better .
It’s more meaty .
Plus she said she respects Mr. Spain’s participation . Colombia doesn’t agree with the MUO but said stuff with grace .


Colombia is at least sincere, although clearly ignorant. She spoke her truth without being so pretentious.
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Postby ManMeat » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:21 pm

Miss Universe isn't Miss Fertility.

I don't think Angela gonna win Miss Universe, but so many puritans are here @-)
It's American based pageant, Mexico's law doesn't matter to Miss Universe.

Besides, Miss Universe's big ass rivalry Mess World accepts Transgenders too.

Hate or not, accept it.
It's not gonna change anyway.
If you can't stand Angela's participation, then stop giving interest to Miss Universe or directing the pageant!

I don't think hate speech is brave shit. 3:)

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Postby Jikeman Bukle » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:28 pm

I didn't even remember her.

She's wrong. Miss Universe is ultimately a TV show. It's entertainment, and it's bringing up an interesting and relevant topic.

Kudos to MUO.
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Postby NhokShjn » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:50 pm

Oh wow that's a lot of bullshit in one video.

The way she said heterosexuals should have the right of freedom of expression as if there are people who are threatening heterosexuals for speaking their minds. So out of touch. An #AllLivesMatter tea.
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Postby Smile » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:25 pm

NhokShjn wrote:Oh wow that's a lot of bullshit in one video.

The way she said heterosexuals should have the right of freedom of expression as if there are people who are threatening heterosexuals for speaking their minds. So out of touch. An #AllLivesMatter tea.


Yeah, it's pretty laughable. But when you have very little to back up your stance, you try to portray yourself as the victim.

Her reason for not believing Spain should compete is pretty hollow. Every contestant who competes in Miss Universe has a label; the labels might be different but Miss Universe uses the same criteria to judge all the contestants.

The problem here is that this is a label Lupita disagrees with. She should just be honest and say it.
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Postby Paquita Banana » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:01 pm

Oh please
Give us a break .
There’s no right or wrong answer here .
It’s how you would address the issue .

Lupita Jones was not talking about freedom , moral or social issues etc.
She’s talking about technicalities ... about labels and laws in Mexico .
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Postby Smile » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:20 pm

Paquita Banana wrote:Oh please
Give us a break .
There’s no right or wrong answer here .
It’s how you would address the issue .

Lupita Jones was not talking about freedom , moral or social issues etc.
She’s talking about technicalities ... about labels and laws in Mexico .


No she wasn't. She was talking about Miss Universe. Then...she referred to Mexico and how it defers from Miss Universe.

What she's saying is that Miss Universe's approval of a transgender is in contrast to her country's laws.

Luckily, Miss Universe is an American organization.
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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:23 pm

Jikeman Bukle wrote:I didn't even remember her.

She's wrong. Miss Universe is ultimately a TV show. It's entertainment, and it's bringing up an interesting and relevant topic.

Kudos to MUO.


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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby Paquita Banana » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:25 pm

Smile wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:Oh please
Give us a break .
There’s no right or wrong answer here .
It’s how you would address the issue .

Lupita Jones was not talking about freedom , moral or social issues etc.
She’s talking about technicalities ... about labels and laws in Mexico .


No she wasn't. She was talking about Miss Universe. Then...she referred to Mexico and how it defers from Miss Universe.

What she's saying is that Miss Universe's approval of a transgender is in contrast to her country's laws.

Luckily, Miss Universe is an American organization.


Show me where she said anything about freedom , moral or social issue about Spain joining the Miss Universe pageant.
Learn English .
Stop putting words in her mouth .
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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:26 pm

NhokShjn wrote:Oh wow that's a lot of bullshit in one video.

The way she said heterosexuals should have the right of freedom of expression as if there are people who are threatening heterosexuals for speaking their minds. So out of touch. An #AllLivesMatter tea.


She is clearly speaking from a privileged standpoint. Her attitude rubs me the wrong way, I don't think she's a good mentor at all. This nastiness could cost her candidate the crown and she isn't even considering that. I do think that as a national director, she should always be honest. However, there's many ways of being honest and RESPECTFUL at the same time, and clearly she doesn't know how to be the later.
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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:29 pm

Smile wrote:
NhokShjn wrote:Oh wow that's a lot of bullshit in one video.

The way she said heterosexuals should have the right of freedom of expression as if there are people who are threatening heterosexuals for speaking their minds. So out of touch. An #AllLivesMatter tea.


Yeah, it's pretty laughable. But when you have very little to back up your stance, you try to portray yourself as the victim.

Her reason for not believing Spain should compete is pretty hollow. Every contestant who competes in Miss Universe has a label; the labels might be different but Miss Universe uses the same criteria to judge all the contestants.

The problem here is that this is a label Lupita disagrees with. She should just be honest and say it.


She is just ignorant! I don't think she represents the MUO brand in the best way. She should be more graceful as a former Miss Universe, like others who are not in agreement with Angela's participation, but don't have this stank attitude.
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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby valleriam » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:32 pm

Paquita Banana wrote:Oh please
Give us a break .
There’s no right or wrong answer here .
It’s how you would address the issue .

Lupita Jones was not talking about freedom , moral or social issues etc.
She’s talking about technicalities ... about labels and laws in Mexico .



She has the same problem other ignorant people have: BEING OBSESSED WITH LABELS. =i
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Re: LUPITA JONES' OPINION OF ANGELA PONCE'S PARTICIPATION

Postby Paquita Banana » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:36 pm

valleriam wrote:
Paquita Banana wrote:Oh please
Give us a break .
There’s no right or wrong answer here .
It’s how you would address the issue .

Lupita Jones was not talking about freedom , moral or social issues etc.
She’s talking about technicalities ... about labels and laws in Mexico .



She has the same problem other ignorant people have: BEING OBSESSED WITH LABELS. =i


No one can blame her being nit picky .
She takes the Miss Universe pageant seriously ... spending time , money and effort and playing it fair and square ... without gimmicks .
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