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3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE IN Miss Universe

Postby firerprince » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:44 pm

    

MISS UNIVERSE 1969 - GLORIA DIAZ, MISS UNIVERSE 1973 - MARGARITA MORAN, MISS UNIVERSE 2013 - MARIA GABRIELA ISLER

Do you think the past queen's opinions will matter to Miss Universe Organization?


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You know, times have changed. Now we see older and and worldly almost professionals contestants, enhanced and more adjusted. Somehow, I know that one day it will be acceptable but for now, maybe they (transgenders) have their own contest to join. And mind you, many transgenders are gorgeous!


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There was a time when women joining beauty pageants were natural beauties untouched by doctors. This time, not only are contestants physically enhanced, transgenders can join and win. The Miss Universe pageant should be exclusively for women. Transgenders should have their own contest simply because they are not born women.







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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby pitbull » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:47 pm

Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby MariaAndreina » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:01 pm

pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


Pretty big difference between being lesbian and a transgender, what a senseless comment.
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Postby chorr » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:09 pm

Gloria Diaz did not really oppose it. She said FOR THE MEAN TIME and mind you, she is very optimistic with trans contestants' chances too.

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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby MISSUNIVERSEFANS » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:17 pm

MISS UNIVERSE IS A BUSINESS. :)>-
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Postby Jaishee » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:21 pm

chorr wrote:Gloria Diaz did not really oppose it. She said FOR THE MEAN TIME and mind you, she is very optimistic with trans contestants' chances too.


Loved her response, really! :hx
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Postby fortela » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:48 pm

agree with gabriela isler. something is basically wrong with transgenders joining.my instincts tell me so. much as a cats instinct to pounce on a mouse
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby sophocles » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:58 pm

pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


She needs to shut up because... you disagree with her? Everyone can see how Gabriela expressed her opinion with grace and class. Whereas, your response is crass and non-sequitur. Peace.
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby lunica » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:03 pm

pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


her runner up's a female.
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby MISSUNIVERSEFANS » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:21 pm

Gabriela responded with class! Her 1st Runner-up, the stunning Patiria Rodriguez is a NATURAL BORN FEMALE.:D/ Btw, Gloria Diaz response doesn't sound like she opposed?!
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby MISSUNIVERSEFANS » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:22 pm

lunica wrote:
pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


her runner up's a female.


hold up! her runner up's a natural born female. #:-S
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby Jonathan Nguyen » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:34 pm

pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


Lesbian is not gender. Lesbian is sexual orientation. If a girl identifies herself as a lesbian, her true gender is still a naturally born female. She naturally has the female body and always thinks of herself as a woman although she is not attracted to men at all. If you claim that lesbians are the same as transwomen (who were naturally born males), you are completely wrong.
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Postby Agnes Rosenberg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:07 pm

TO ALL THE UGLY HATERS HERE IN MISSO......

HAVE ANY TRANSGENDER DO SOMETHING BAD TO YOU?
SO FROM WHERE DOES ALL YOUR HATE COMING FROM? @-) =O/ @-)

AND WHAT ARE YOU ALL FIGHTING FOR? :-O :-O :-O
TO MALIGN US THE TRANSGENDERS? =O/ =O/ =O/

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Postby Agnes Rosenberg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:07 pm

Unless you have seen a day through my eyes, unless you have listened through my ears,
unless you have walked a day in my shoes, don’t even begin to judge or criticize me.

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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby rockondude » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:12 pm

Miss Spain is a biological male they should not be able to compete. miss universe is such a joke sjw culture destroys everything.

I remember back in 2015 i predicted this with all the SJW BS they were pushing. Now we have trannys been favorites for the crown because of the STORY.

All of this is so dumb, liberals hate pageants i don't know why IMG try to appeal to those assholes.
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Postby MOCHA » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:03 pm

I applaud these women for having the courage to speak up when liberalism controls the culture and media landscape. Dissenting opinions in a progressive culture are bullied, disrespected, and shamed. Being a snowflake is a bad quality to have as an individual. So, let's not end the world with an avalanche of snowflakes.
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby jraca » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:19 pm

I think that the 3 past queens expressed their opinion diplomatically without sounding arrogant or discriminatory.

And yes, Miss Universe is a contest for naturally born females, not naturally born males. If they allow them to join, shouldn't single mothers or divorced women be allowed to join too? And shouldn't women be allowed to join transgender beauty pageants too? But they are not allowed right, so why should transgenders be allowed to join an all female (natural born) contest? My point is the Miss Universe Org should stick to what it was originally created for- a contest for naturally born females, no children, and never been married, with a certain age as limit.
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby pitbull » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:39 pm

MariaAndreina wrote:
pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


Pretty big difference between being lesbian and a transgender, what a senseless comment.


If you're referring to Angela's surgery then yes you are right. For me I'd rather have an operated transexual beauty who use it for their own good at a Miss Universe stage than vain shallow latina beauty queen.



FYI Patricia and Angela are both part of the LGBTQ+ community
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby MariaAndreina » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:31 am

pitbull wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:
pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


Pretty big difference between being lesbian and a transgender, what a senseless comment.


If you're referring to Angela's surgery then yes you are right. For me I'd rather have an operated transexual beauty who use it for their own good at a Miss Universe stage than vain shallow latina beauty queen.



FYI Patricia and Angela are both part of the LGBTQ+ community


Wait so from your logic,

It is justified if a person decides to get surgery for gender transition because they are doing it for their own good (i agree!)
but if a woman is not comfortable with i.e. their nose and wants to get surgery to fix it, that woman is now being shallow?

No shit Patricia and Angela are both part of the LGBTQ community, your comment still makes no sense.

I think before telling Gabriela to shut her mouth, you should probably shut yours considering all the ludicrous comments you managed to make on a single day. :roll:

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Postby alexanderrabelle » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:56 am

Just a reminder:

(1) Miss Universe eligibility rules do NOT say “naturally-born” female.

(2) Spain OFFICIALLY recognizes Angela Ponce as a FEMALE.

Angela Ponce is eligible and her participation does NOT violate any rules, so NO ONE has the right to prevent her from competing THIS YEAR. If audiences object, then they should petition IMG/MUO to change the rules first, but such changes could only take effect in the succeeding year’s pageant at the earliest.
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Postby jampol » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:15 am

it's like the olympics males cannot compete with females. no sponsors for this joke
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Postby The Alchemist » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:25 am

MUO is much more concern in their scramble for a venue this year than thinking of Angela Ponce on Miss Universe Stage.

If Angela Ponce competes this year, I hope it will be the first and the last for a transwoman in Miss Universe.

I salute these 3 women who expressed their bare naked emotions on the issue.
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Postby JoelR » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:43 am

pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


"we nurture life" ok so is she against girls that are born unable to have children? AND.... she she went under the knife to be able to feel beautiful...... the proof is in the pudding and Spain should've woman instead of her. I am disappointed in Molly. When she was criticized for going under the knife and winning she defended herself and said we have to do what ever it takes to be comfortable in our own skin and now she says this..... maybe she's worried Spain will outshine her title holder.
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Postby ambasing » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:26 am

Let Mr Spain 2018 join Ms Universe to end the prestige of this pageant..
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Postby ccccc » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:35 am

Transg's have their own pageants. Miss Universe and similar pageants are ONLY FOR NATURALLY-BORN FEMALE contestants. 3:)
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby jraca » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:57 am

pitbull wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:
pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


Pretty big difference between being lesbian and a transgender, what a senseless comment.


If you're referring to Angela's surgery then yes you are right. For me I'd rather have an operated transexual beauty who use it for their own good at a Miss Universe stage than vain shallow latina beauty queen.



FYI Patricia and Angela are both part of the LGBTQ+ community




Yes, it does not say now that they should be naturally born females as the Org changed the rules after the controversy with the transgender Miss Canada contestant which paved the way for transgenders being allowed to join but what most people are saying on this thread is that they should be born as females and that decades ago when this contest was founded, transgenders were not qualified to join and that it should remain that way. Technically, a transgender woman was born male, hence, what we are saying is that there is a contest for transgenders so join that in the same way that a contest for naturally born females should be exclusively for that.


If we'd talk about technicality here, the Miss Universe website mentions that it's a contest run by "Women for Women"- the concept of transgender women and even the term itself only became acceptable a few years ago but decades back, transgenders are not referred to as women, they were considered and called men dressed in women's clothes. Even the Miss Universe website sort of defined what a woman is and this is what it says:

"Contestants may not be married or pregnant. They must not have ever been married, not had a marriage annulled nor given birth to, or parented a child. The titleholders are also required to remain unmarried throughout their reign."

The above description clearly indicates that the "WOMAN" being referred to here are naturally born females, not surgically enhanced women who were formerly males because clearly, only a real woman is able to conceive a child and give birth.

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Postby frederick » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:17 am

We all know that beauty queens are being idolize by the youth and evil will use the pageant to deceive people. There will be time that Evil will use the pageant for wicked advocacies.
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Postby TranniesRUs » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:00 am

ccccc wrote:Transg's have their own pageants. Miss Universe and similar pageants are ONLY FOR NATURALLY-BORN FEMALE contestants. 3:)


Says who? Do the Miss Universe rules say that?
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby TranniesRUs » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:03 am

jraca wrote:
pitbull wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:
pitbull wrote:Gabriela should probably shut her mouth, let's not forget her runner up is a Spanish Lesbian :-j :-j :-j :-j


Pretty big difference between being lesbian and a transgender, what a senseless comment.


If you're referring to Angela's surgery then yes you are right. For me I'd rather have an operated transexual beauty who use it for their own good at a Miss Universe stage than vain shallow latina beauty queen.



FYI Patricia and Angela are both part of the LGBTQ+ community




Yes, it does not say now that they should be naturally born females as the Org changed the rules after the controversy with the transgender Miss Canada contestant which paved the way for transgenders being allowed to join but what most people are saying on this thread is that they should be born as females and that decades ago when this contest was founded, transgenders were not qualified to join and that it should remain that way. Technically, a transgender woman was born male, hence, what we are saying is that there is a contest for transgenders so join that in the same way that a contest for naturally born females should be exclusively for that.


If we'd talk about technicality here, the Miss Universe website mentions that it's a contest run by "Women for Women"- the concept of transgender women and even the term itself only became acceptable a few years ago but decades back, transgenders are not referred to as women, they were considered and called men dressed in women's clothes. Even the Miss Universe website sort of defined what a woman is and this is what it says:

"Contestants may not be married or pregnant. They must not have ever been married, not had a marriage annulled nor given birth to, or parented a child. The titleholders are also required to remain unmarried throughout their reign."

The above description clearly indicates that the "WOMAN" being referred to here are naturally born females, not surgically enhanced women who were formerly males because clearly, only a real woman is able to conceive a child and give birth.



If her country officially defines her as a WOMAN, who are you to say she’s not? Do you have authority over the country of Spain or their Miss Universe franchise?
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Re: 3 MISS UNIVERSE QUEENS AGAINST TRANSGENDERS TO COMPETE I

Postby TranniesRUs » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:04 am

alexanderrabelle wrote:Just a reminder:

(1) Miss Universe eligibility rules do NOT say “naturally-born” female.

(2) Spain OFFICIALLY recognizes Angela Ponce as a FEMALE.

Angela Ponce is eligible and her participation does NOT violate any rules, so NO ONE has the right to prevent her from competing THIS YEAR. If audiences object, then they should petition IMG/MUO to change the rules first, but such changes could only take effect in the succeeding year’s pageant at the earliest.


Correct! Someone here has a brain. :=p
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