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Postby JamesCedricLim » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:28 am

    

If MUO will allow Spain to compete, Julia will only have one world "LAUGH" =;)) =;)) =;))

I hope all the Miss Universe QUEENS should protest this injustice to natural born Women. They should speak up and protest to MUO in a diplomatic way. LGBT should respect the history of Miss Universe.


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Postby bcdf1930 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:51 am

I THINK THIS COMES FROM YOUR IGNORANCE...TRANSGENDER WOMEN ARE WOMEN WITHIN...JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BORN MEN PHYSICALLY, THEY ARE NOT MEN WITHIN..IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING TO UNDERSTAND THAT...UNLESS YOU ARE A TRANSGENDER YOURSELF, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THEM :)>- :)>- :)>-

OUR SOCIETY NEEDS TO CONSIDER TRANSGENDER WOMEN AS SIMPLY WOMEN AND NOT 'TRANS' WOMEN...IF THEY NEED A SEPARATE PAGEANT EVERYTIME, THEY WILL NEVER GET THE EQUALITY THAT EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT...JUST CONSIDER THEM AS NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS...THAT IS THE BEST THAT ALL OF US CAN DO :)>- :)>- :)>-
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Postby JamesCedricLim » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:36 am

I got your point, as i also respect Trans. However if they want to be respected they should know when to draw the line. No matter how we push your ideas they are still MEN, Born to be man, no amount of physical operation, mentality, or they are trap on the men's body etc etc.

They should also learn how to respect others.
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Postby unbreakable » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:40 am

Angela Ponce Competed in Miss world Spain 3 years ago, Julia will allow transgender to Compete in Miss World sooner or later .
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Postby pineal » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:45 pm

UK has all the anti-discrimination laws in place, I hope MWO will follow the same
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Postby bcdf1930 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:18 pm

JamesCedricLim wrote:I got your point, as i also respect Trans. However if they want to be respected they should know when to draw the line. No matter how we push your ideas they are still MEN, Born to be man, no amount of physical operation, mentality, or they are trap on the men's body etc etc.

They should also learn how to respect others.


WHAT I MEANT IS TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN...THEY DON'T THINK AND ACT LIKE MEN..SO WHEN YOU SAY THEY ARE STILL MEN, IT IS NOT RIGHT AT ALL...THEY UNDERGO ALL THESE OPERATIONS FOR NO SILLY REASON...THEY ARE NOT DISRESPECTING ANYONE BY JOINING PAGEANTS...IT IS WE WHO THINK THAT AS DISRESPECT SINCE WE CONSIDER THEM AS MEN...BUT IDEALLY, THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO BE WOMEN AND DO THINGS WOMEN DO AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE :)>- :)>- :)>-
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Postby otangzi » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:53 pm

JamesCedricLim wrote: If MUO will allow Spain to compete, Julia will only have one world "LAUGH" =;)) =;)) =;))

I hope all the Miss Universe QUEENS should protest this injustice to natural born Women. They should speak up and protest to MUO in a diplomatic way. LGBT should respect the history of Miss Universe.


Yes, they shouldn't be allowed because this is a sign of disrespect. There are battles they should choose and this ain't one of them. Fighting for their rights won't mean a thing if they are disrespecting the real women. This is to celebrate their femininity according to Mpule.
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Postby the critic » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:13 pm

unbreakable wrote:Angela Ponce Competed in Miss world Spain 3 years ago, Julia will allow transgender to Compete in Miss World sooner or later .

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Postby Virginia Dalisay » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:32 pm

For me, i don't agree for the Trans to join FEMALE beauty pageants. But for the sake of "LOVE AND WORLD PEACE", i guess we can negotiate it and meet halfway... Life is short, wag maging madamot sa konting kaligayahan ng ibang tao... and I THANK YOU... chosssssssssss... =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) =;)) >:) >:) >:) <:-P
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Postby the critic » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:18 pm

THE IRONY OF THIS IS THAT IN ATHLETICS WOMEN WITH INTERSEX TRAITS ARE PRESSURED WITH ALL KINDS OF GENDER TESTING AND COULD EVEN BE FORCED TO DO HORMONE THERAPY TO PROVE TO THEIR FEMININITY AND RIGHT TO COMPETE. WHILE IN BEAUTY PAGEANTS TRANS WOMEN ARE GIVEN THE GREENLIGHT TO COMPETE...EVEN THOUGH AT A DISADVANTAGE.

MY CONCERN IS HOW MISS UNIVERSE WILL BE SEEN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD AND BY TRADITIONALIST PAGEANT FANS. IF PONCE COMPETES IT WILL BE CONTROVERSIAL AND MAKE FOR A GOOD PUBLICITY STUNT THAT WILL CHANGE THE IMAGE OF THE CONTEST FOREVER.
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Postby koji » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:35 pm

JamesCedricLim wrote:I got your point, as i also respect Trans. However if they want to be respected they should know when to draw the line. No matter how we push your ideas they are still MEN, Born to be man, no amount of physical operation, mentality, or they are trap on the men's body etc etc.

They should also learn how to respect others.


EVERY BIT OF YOUR DNA TELLS THEM THAT THEY ARE MEN. >=p
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Postby JamesCedricLim » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:05 pm

bcdf1930 wrote:I THINK THIS COMES FROM YOUR IGNORANCE...TRANSGENDER WOMEN ARE WOMEN WITHIN...JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BORN MEN PHYSICALLY, THEY ARE NOT MEN WITHIN..IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING TO UNDERSTAND THAT...UNLESS YOU ARE A TRANSGENDER YOURSELF, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THEM :)>- :)>- :)>-

OUR SOCIETY NEEDS TO CONSIDER TRANSGENDER WOMEN AS SIMPLY WOMEN AND NOT 'TRANS' WOMEN...IF THEY NEED A SEPARATE PAGEANT EVERYTIME, THEY WILL NEVER GET THE EQUALITY THAT EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT...JUST CONSIDER THEM AS NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS...THAT IS THE BEST THAT ALL OF US CAN DO :)>- :)>- :)>-


I respect your opinion. But that doesnt erase the fact that they were born MALE. Regardless of how they act or went under the knife it wont erase that FACT! PERIOD. If they want to be respected they should know when to fight.

So what will happen to the questions during Miss Universe 1994, Miss Universe 1999. How can they define it now. THE ESSENCE OF BEING A WOMEN, and the PREGNANCY DURING HER REIGN! How can the trans relate to it.

Anyway, lets wait for the official announcement of MUO about it. I hope they will not allow her. and I hope the QUEENS of the UNIVERSE petition him/her not to compete, because their legacy is at stake here.


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Postby firerprince » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:13 pm

the critic wrote:THE IRONY OF THIS IS THAT IN ATHLETICS WOMEN WITH INTERSEX TRAITS ARE PRESSURED WITH ALL KINDS OF GENDER TESTING AND COULD EVEN BE FORCED TO DO HORMONE THERAPY TO PROVE TO THEIR FEMININITY AND RIGHT TO COMPETE. WHILE IN BEAUTY PAGEANTS TRANS WOMEN ARE GIVEN THE GREENLIGHT TO COMPETE...EVEN THOUGH AT A DISADVANTAGE.

MY CONCERN IS HOW MISS UNIVERSE WILL BE SEEN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD AND BY TRADITIONALIST PAGEANT FANS. IF PONCE COMPETES IT WILL BE CONTROVERSIAL AND MAKE FOR A GOOD PUBLICITY STUNT THAT WILL CHANGE THE IMAGE OF THE CONTEST FOREVER.



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Postby lucy » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:42 pm

IT'S FUNNY INDEED! =;)) :%)) , TRANSGENDERS WERE BORN AS MEN, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE PAGEANTS FOR TRANSGENDERS, THEY SHOULD RESPECT PAGEANTS FOR NATURAL BORN WOMEN! :=p
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Postby Sapphire » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:54 pm

I respect transgendered people, don't get me wrong, but I agree, there's already Miss Tiffany for them. They should also respect traditions that are already in place for many many many years.
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Postby lunica » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:00 pm

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JamesCedricLim wrote:I got your point, as i also respect Trans. However if they want to be respected they should know when to draw the line. No matter how we push your ideas they are still MEN, Born to be man, no amount of physical operation, mentality, or they are trap on the men's body etc etc.

They should also learn how to respect others.


WHAT I MEANT IS TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN...THEY DON'T THINK AND ACT LIKE MEN..SO WHEN YOU SAY THEY ARE STILL MEN, IT IS NOT RIGHT AT ALL...THEY UNDERGO ALL THESE OPERATIONS FOR NO SILLY REASON...THEY ARE NOT DISRESPECTING ANYONE BY JOINING PAGEANTS...IT IS WE WHO THINK THAT AS DISRESPECT SINCE WE CONSIDER THEM AS MEN...BUT IDEALLY, THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO BE WOMEN AND DO THINGS WOMEN DO AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE :)>- :)>- :)>-


If MUO will stick to the definition of a WOMAN as a criteria for a Miss Universe candidate, then clearly, MUSpain 2018 will be disqualified.
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Postby Agnes Rosenberg » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:23 pm

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Postby the critic » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:32 pm

Sapphire wrote:I respect transgendered people, don't get me wrong, but I agree, there's already Miss Tiffany for them. They should also respect traditions that are already in place for many many many years.


WHY SHOULD THEY RESPECT TRADITION WHEN Miss Universe DOESNT. AND WHY SHOULD THEY BE LIMITED TO MISS TIFFANY WHEN Miss Universe ALLOWS THEM ENTRY?
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Postby novemberRain » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:39 am

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Postby ajsy0203 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:59 am

At the national level, transgenders can compete according to their tradition and culture but at the international level it is a different story. Actually there was a contestant named Gay Mei-Lin (姬美蓮) from Hong Kong who competed at Miss World 1972 but only found out later to be an alleged transgender after the pageant.

As of the moment MWO still not accepted transgender that are legally female since the 1972 incident unless it will be changed.
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Postby wazz0up » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:40 am

The institution of pageantry is undergoing a monumental change and we must accept it as a step forward - in the right direction. These trans women are not just competitors, they are pioneers.
Just to put things in perspective - the institution of marriage went through similar changes in the recent past. There was a time, not too long ago, when the idea of same-sex marriage made many uncomfortable. But look where we are today! Same-sex marriage has not only been legalized - but it has also started to normalize in many parts of the world. I see Trans rights in a similar light and I know with time, these women will gain their acceptance and rights in the mainstream.
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Postby cindy_kato » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:56 am

the critic wrote:THE IRONY OF THIS IS THAT IN ATHLETICS WOMEN WITH INTERSEX TRAITS ARE PRESSURED WITH ALL KINDS OF GENDER TESTING AND COULD EVEN BE FORCED TO DO HORMONE THERAPY TO PROVE TO THEIR FEMININITY AND RIGHT TO COMPETE. WHILE IN BEAUTY PAGEANTS TRANS WOMEN ARE GIVEN THE GREENLIGHT TO COMPETE...EVEN THOUGH AT A DISADVANTAGE.

MY CONCERN IS HOW MISS UNIVERSE WILL BE SEEN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD AND BY TRADITIONALIST PAGEANT FANS. IF PONCE COMPETES IT WILL BE CONTROVERSIAL AND MAKE FOR A GOOD PUBLICITY STUNT THAT WILL CHANGE THE IMAGE OF THE CONTEST FOREVER.


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Postby JamesCedricLim » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:40 am

I suggest to make a SIGNATURE Campaign. We should make this happen and send it to MUO that we are against it. I hope Miss Universe QUEENS should helps us to send our messages across to ORG.

What do you think guys?

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Postby erinarriba » Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:55 am

novemberRain wrote:it shown that Miss World is the Best Pageant, without shitty gimmicks.


Being a transgender is NOT a gimmick and wanting to compete in a pageant you consider of your own sex is NOT shitty. [-X
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Postby pineal » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:00 am

novemberRain wrote:it shown that Miss World is the Best Pageant, without shitty gimmicks.


I am sure that Miss World will allow Trans candidates when the time comes, If I am not mistaken UK has done better than US in trans rights and anti discrimination laws
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Postby yellowyam1 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:44 am

well if trans can compete with real women, let married or divorced women compete, old women, fat women, cripple women hell let even dogs compete I mean we are in a new era where we are moving forward right?
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Postby JamesCedricLim » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:45 am

Not allowing trans to compete in Miss U, W, E, I doesnt mean they discriminate them. These ORGs just know how to value respect for women (natural ones)and should hold high respect to its Institutions and history. These pageant is created with the value of RESPECT, WOMANHOOD, INDEPENDENT REAL WOMEN
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Postby Agnes Rosenberg » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:23 am

JamesCedricLim wrote:I suggest to make a SIGNATURE Campaign. We should make this happen and send it to MUO that we are against it. I hope Miss Universe QUEENS should helps us to send our messages across to ORG.

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Re: JULIA MORLEY to MS UNIVERSE

Postby JamesCedricLim » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:52 am

Agnes Rosenberg wrote:
JamesCedricLim wrote:I suggest to make a SIGNATURE Campaign. We should make this happen and send it to MUO that we are against it. I hope Miss Universe QUEENS should helps us to send our messages across to ORG.

What do you think guys?

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Honey, there is no hate in me, and for the record i dont hate trans! I actually respect them, but... but trans should also respect women the way they wanted to be respected. There are so many pageant out there that belongs to each gender and acceptable. Honey no amount of re-assignment or name changed can changed the fact that they were born MEN!PERIOD They should learn how to accept it.

I think to stop this issue, the MUO should set guidelines that ONLY NATURALLY BORN WOMEN are allowed to compete. otherwise it will divide the fans and also other countries who are against it. We should remember that NOT all member of Miss Universe countries are favored with it. There should be consensus and understanding to it. If the MUO says no problem with it, then who am i to stop them from joining. but until their's no clarity on this rules its a BIG NO for me. peace!
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