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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby MariaAndreina » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:16 pm

    

the critic wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:Its unfair. Miss Universe should be the best of the best. Latinas are strong this year and it would be a shame if many end up clapping just because of this PC continental format. Asians were strong last year and girls were left out.


AT THE END OF THE DAY ONLY ONE GIRL WILL WIN AND IF A GIRL IS REALLY "THE BEST OF THE BEST" SHE'LL MAKE IT RRGARDLESS OF THE FORMAT.

THE CURRENT FORMAT GIVES MORE GIRLS HOPE OF AT LEAST PLACING. AND IT'S A GLOBAL CONTEST...WE DON'T WANT TO SEE 12 WHITE (INCLUDING LATIN) TYPES WITH ONE OR TWO BLACKS, ASIANS OR OTHER RACES THROWN IN.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE IF THE 6 OR 7TH BEST LATINA CLAPS.


I personally would care, especially if that 6th best latina is stronger than a girl who made it only for political correctness. And this isn't about latinas. If there is six very strong black girls then i want all those girls in. If asians are strong but only one african deserved to make it then so be it.


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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby The Duchess » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:07 pm

MariaAndreina wrote:
the critic wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:Its unfair. Miss Universe should be the best of the best. Latinas are strong this year and it would be a shame if many end up clapping just because of this PC continental format. Asians were strong last year and girls were left out.


AT THE END OF THE DAY ONLY ONE GIRL WILL WIN AND IF A GIRL IS REALLY "THE BEST OF THE BEST" SHE'LL MAKE IT RRGARDLESS OF THE FORMAT.

THE CURRENT FORMAT GIVES MORE GIRLS HOPE OF AT LEAST PLACING. AND IT'S A GLOBAL CONTEST...WE DON'T WANT TO SEE 12 WHITE (INCLUDING LATIN) TYPES WITH ONE OR TWO BLACKS, ASIANS OR OTHER RACES THROWN IN.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE IF THE 6 OR 7TH BEST LATINA CLAPS.


I personally would care, especially if that 6th best latina is stronger than a girl who made it only for political correctness. And this isn't about latinas. If there is six very strong black girls then i want all those girls in. If asians are strong but only one african deserved to make it then so be it.


THANK YOU! If the 6th Latina is better than the first european then I do care, just like I would care if the 3rd African was better than the best latina.
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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby the critic » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:00 pm

MariaAndreina wrote:
the critic wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:Its unfair. Miss Universe should be the best of the best. Latinas are strong this year and it would be a shame if many end up clapping just because of this PC continental format. Asians were strong last year and girls were left out.


AT THE END OF THE DAY ONLY ONE GIRL WILL WIN AND IF A GIRL IS REALLY "THE BEST OF THE BEST" SHE'LL MAKE IT RRGARDLESS OF THE FORMAT.

THE CURRENT FORMAT GIVES MORE GIRLS HOPE OF AT LEAST PLACING. AND IT'S A GLOBAL CONTEST...WE DON'T WANT TO SEE 12 WHITE (INCLUDING LATIN) TYPES WITH ONE OR TWO BLACKS, ASIANS OR OTHER RACES THROWN IN.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE IF THE 6 OR 7TH BEST LATINA CLAPS.


I personally would care, especially if that 6th best latina is stronger than a girl who made it only for political correctness. And this isn't about latinas. If there is six very strong black girls then i want all those girls in. If asians are strong but only one african deserved to make it then so be it.


FOR ME IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT COLOR OR RACE BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT CULTURE AND CONCEPTS OF BEAUTY DIFFER THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND THIS FORMAT ADDRESSES THAT HEAD ON. DURING THE TRUMP ERA ONLY ONE TYPE WAS PUT ON THE PEDESTAL (WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THE TYPE CONCENTRATED IN THE AMERICAS) TO THE POINT WHERE GIRLS FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD HAD TO TRAIN TO ACT LIKE THEM IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THAT WAS NOT FAIR. AND IT CAUSED A LACK OF INTEREST IN PARTS OF THE WORLD.

NOW THE JUDGES ARE FORCED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND. LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S RESULTS WHERE ONLY ONE BLACK WOMAN MADE IT FROM THE DESIGNATED AFR/AS/PAC REGION THE MAJORITY STILL CAME FROM THE AMERICAS.

THE ONLY REGION THAT BENEFITS IN A HUGE WAY IS EUROPE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY CONTINENTAL WITH AN EXCLUSIVE GROUP AND ARE GUARANTEED 4 SPOTS. I DON'T MIND. THEY ARE USUALLY STUNNING, CALM AND CHARMING THEY ARE JUST NOT APPRECIATE BY FANS BECAUSE THEY LACK THE THEATRICS THAT SOME WANR TO SEE.

THE BEAUTY IS THERE IN ALL THE REGION IT'S THE JUDGES WHO NEED TO PICK THEM.
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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby the critic » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:15 pm

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lesham wrote:
My only problem with this format is that they clumped Asia-Pacific and Africa together. That's like three continents together in one group! It would be better if they separate the selection for Africa or just clump it with a weaker continent such as Europe. :=p


That is my point, Europe may have a big amount of sashes but it usually is the weakest continent along with Africa (although even last year Africa was amazing). It sounds great on paper but sometimes it means great girls will clap by default, then what is the point?

in 2008 there were 5 girls from the Americas (we would have had to cut one) and those 5 for me have always been some of my favorite and strongest queens for their respective countries. You telling me I have to choose one to go to fill a quota? Nah.

Last year both Asia/Pasific and the Americas needed another spot yet they gave them to Croatia, China, Ireland and Canada... I still don't know how Indonesia clapped ~X( ~X(


IN 2008 THOSE 5 FROM THE AMERICAS COULD STILL PLACE IF FOUR OF THEM GOT IN CONTINENTAL PICKS AND ONE GOT A WILD CARD.

ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THE SLOTS WERE THERE THEY WERE JUST GIVEN TO UNFAVORABLE DELEGATES. FOR EXAMPLE INDONESIA COULD HAVE GOTTEN CHINA'S WILDCARD. BUT THEY OPTED TO PLAY POLITICS TO GET CHINA TO HOST (WHICH FAILED). MEXICO COULD HAVE GOTTEN CANADA'S SPOT.

WHICH EVER FORMAT IS USED PEOPLE WILL STILL COMPLAIN ABOUT UNDESERVING GIRL PLACING.
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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby The Alchemist » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:14 pm

Very Good Point The Critic

The Trump era should have been Miss Latina Universe!
The bitchies of them all wins! So Trump hired that french bitch to train sweet Japanese Girls to act like a bitch.
Stella sent Pinay Gurls to Colombia to learn how to be a Latin Bitch because Trump wants Latin Bitches Prototype.
I’m glad its OVER


the critic wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:
the critic wrote:
MariaAndreina wrote:Its unfair. Miss Universe should be the best of the best. Latinas are strong this year and it would be a shame if many end up clapping just because of this PC continental format. Asians were strong last year and girls were left out.


AT THE END OF THE DAY ONLY ONE GIRL WILL WIN AND IF A GIRL IS REALLY "THE BEST OF THE BEST" SHE'LL MAKE IT RRGARDLESS OF THE FORMAT.

THE CURRENT FORMAT GIVES MORE GIRLS HOPE OF AT LEAST PLACING. AND IT'S A GLOBAL CONTEST...WE DON'T WANT TO SEE 12 WHITE (INCLUDING LATIN) TYPES WITH ONE OR TWO BLACKS, ASIANS OR OTHER RACES THROWN IN.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE IF THE 6 OR 7TH BEST LATINA CLAPS.


I personally would care, especially if that 6th best latina is stronger than a girl who made it only for political correctness. And this isn't about latinas. If there is six very strong black girls then i want all those girls in. If asians are strong but only one african deserved to make it then so be it.


FOR ME IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT COLOR OR RACE BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT CULTURE AND CONCEPTS OF BEAUTY DIFFER THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND THIS FORMAT ADDRESSES THAT HEAD ON. DURING THE TRUMP ERA ONLY ONE TYPE WAS PUT ON THE PEDESTAL (WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THE TYPE CONCENTRATED IN THE AMERICAS) TO THE POINT WHERE GIRLS FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD HAD TO TRAIN TO ACT LIKE THEM IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THAT WAS NOT FAIR. AND IT CAUSED A LACK OF INTEREST IN PARTS OF THE WORLD.

NOW THE JUDGES ARE FORCED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND. LOOK AT LAST YEAR'S RESULTS WHERE ONLY ONE BLACK WOMAN MADE IT FROM THE DESIGNATED AFR/AS/PAC REGION THE MAJORITY STILL CAME FROM THE AMERICAS.

THE ONLY REGION THAT BENEFITS IN A HUGE WAY IS EUROPE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY CONTINENTAL WITH AN EXCLUSIVE GROUP AND ARE GUARANTEED 4 SPOTS. I DON'T MIND. THEY ARE USUALLY STUNNING, CALM AND CHARMING THEY ARE JUST NOT APPRECIATE BY FANS BECAUSE THEY LACK THE THEATRICS THAT SOME WANR TO SEE.

THE BEAUTY IS THERE IN ALL THE REGION IT'S THE JUDGES WHO NEED TO PICK THEM.
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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby Smile » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:54 pm

I think we need to change the narrative a bit here. This is no longer the Trump era so any trends that we saw during that time do not apply to the current product.

A Latina has yet to win Miss Universe in the 3 years since IMG took over. This indicates to me that IMG is not impressed by Latino pageant norms and as a result, countries in that part of the world will have to change their philosophy a bit. It's not about just beauty anymore. Latinas will have to evolve in order to become successful again. This means there will have to be an emphasis on crowning women who are well informed about current affairs and social issues, and who can speak their voice on a world stage. And an emphasis on promoting independence and strong leadership skills.

Interestingly enough, Asian countries are ahead of the curve and have done exactly what Latinos neglected to do for years: crown women who are smart, beautiful, and have a story to tell. This is why I believe Asians will have more success in the IMG era.

So with that said, this so-called Latina dominance does not exist anymore. For this reason, I don't think Latinas are hurt by the regional groups format. Asians might have a better argument against the format, however, they still lack in areas such as women's independence, the freedom to freely speak their minds, etc., so in that sense, an Asian dominance is unlikely as well.

In final, because of what I outlined above, I see no downside to the groups format. However, there's a big positive: it gives Europe the motivation to send their best girls. It gives countries like France, Spain, and others the chance to become powerhouses and not just be decoration in the background while Latina after Asian after Latina after Asian wins Miss Universe.

Already in the IMG era, we've seen wins from France and South Africa. This is a good sign and it will only make Miss Universe a better competition.
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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby theblob » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:19 pm

sephie wrote: For Miss Universe 2018, I still support the continental selection- Africa&Asia, Americas and Europe.
The advantage is that it makes the semifinalists more dynamic.

However, i think that we can let go of the Wildcard entries and just increase the number of ladies making the cut.
For example, 6 or 7 girls per continent will advance to the next round. So first cut will have 18 or 20 semifinalists.

What do you think?



Bitchhhhhh, I am NOT here for Europe getting 6 or 7 mediocre girls thru to the semis if we get rid of wildcards. We had to deal with ugly Ireland and fat Croatia last year. The wildcards are the only saving grace.
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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby Smile » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:37 pm

theblob wrote:
sephie wrote: For Miss Universe 2018, I still support the continental selection- Africa&Asia, Americas and Europe.
The advantage is that it makes the semifinalists more dynamic.

However, i think that we can let go of the Wildcard entries and just increase the number of ladies making the cut.
For example, 6 or 7 girls per continent will advance to the next round. So first cut will have 18 or 20 semifinalists.

What do you think?



Bitchhhhhh, I am NOT here for Europe getting 6 or 7 mediocre girls thru to the semis if we get rid of wildcards. We had to deal with ugly Ireland and fat Croatia last year. The wildcards are the only saving grace.


I agree with you. The groups format works because the wildcard gives the judges the leeway to make sure that the TOP 16 is truly the best 16 girls.

Now, there will always be one or two contestants that makes the semis who will be questioned, as it was last year, but even without the groups format during the Trump years, there was always one or two contestants that probably shouldn't have been there.

This year's Miss USA, which had no groups, included at least 3 questionable spots in the semifinals. This will always be the case, with or without groups.
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Re: Continental Finalists

Postby AUSTIN III » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:54 am

May be they could change 3 per region and the remaining 6 girls could be wildcard. But actually I have no problem with the current format. As mentioned above, the potential winners and finalists would have made regardless of the group.

Last year 6 girls from America made semifinalists, that 7th best girl from America could have made it over European girls but it doesn't have that impact or could have ruin Demi's win either way. She's unlucky yes but so are the girls that miss top 15 in the previous years. Despite 8 out of 13 are america region in 2016,Mariam Habach and Ros Garcia still miss the cut. The conclusion is that there'll be surprise exclusion and inclusion after all, the current format brings suspense and bringing different concepts of beauty in the global stage.
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