The Road to Miss Universe Canada 2012

[novemberRain]

I'm aware that there has been some hubbub with the inclusion of Jenna Talackova and to a lesser extent Dora Rodriguez. I just wanted to mention that both have been dropped out of the competition, I'm wholly unaware on whether or not this was done of Jenna's and Dora's own volition or if BOC decided on their behalf, nonetheless I wish them both good luck in their future endeavours.

Dora Rodriguez was not dropped from the competition. Get your facts straight!

I specifically stated that I am unaware if they left of their own volition or whether or not BOC decided on their behalf. Meaning that I don't know what happened in either case, so I wasn't stating any facts. What's done is done and I'd like the focus to shift to the participants of this competition since its their time and what this thread is dedicated to.

so who are their replacements ?

[JohnDoe40]

Why was Dora disqualified?

DORA RODRIGUEZ WAS NOT DISQUALIFIED, SHE QUIT. SHE HAD OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OFFERED AND COULD NOT DO THEM ALL AT ONCE. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR THAT SHE WAS NOT DISQUALIFIED, BUT SHE DROPPED OUT ON HER OWN. MAYBE SHE WILL PARTICIPATE IN MUC AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. THANKS!

[JohnDoe40]

I'm aware that there has been some hubbub with the inclusion of Jenna Talackova and to a lesser extent Dora Rodriguez. I just wanted to mention that both have been dropped out of the competition, I'm wholly unaware on whether or not this was done of Jenna's and Dora's own volition or if BOC decided on their behalf, nonetheless I wish them both good luck in their future endeavours.

Dora Rodriguez was not dropped from the competition. Get your facts straight!

I specifically stated that I am unaware if they left of their own volition or whether or not BOC decided on their behalf. Meaning that I don't know what happened in either case, so I wasn't stating any facts. What's done is done and I'd like the focus to shift to the participants of this competition since its their time and what this thread is dedicated to.

so who are their replacements ?

Ok, great. Just do not put Dora Rodriguez in the same category as others. Dora quit on her own. She has other things on the go right now, and could not do them all at once. Maybe she will participate again in the future!

[jswift1992]

Why was Dora disqualified?

She was disqualified because she was married to her sponsor. Yesterday N.S.E.W. Canada became involved. Here's a video of her marriage certificate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6qUnYgK ... re=mh_lolz, and you probably don't have access to her name of her sponsors, but here's a picture of her proving she's in contact with a Nathan Douglas Jon Exner: http://i39.tinypic.com/254xchl.jpg. Coincidence? You can call the Clark county recorder yourself; she thinks it was a "pretend" wedding, but it actually was legal. Her husband admmited it yesterday to MUC, though!

[Shamster]

This will be Katie Starke's year. She came back at the right time and with more experience and maturity. Katie looks like a proper woman now, instead of a teen.

Obviously she's my top favorite at the moment, but some other girls have caught my eye. I'll list them in a bit.

[orbittle]

This will be Katie Starke's year. She came back at the right time and with more experience and maturity. Katie looks like a proper woman now, instead of a teen.

Obviously she's my top favorite at the moment, but some other girls have caught my eye. I'll list them in a bit.

Seems like it'll be a good year for Canada. Katie at MU and (fingers crossed) Ashley Callingbull at MW...hell yea!!

[orbittle]

Bump!

[Pad1]

I don't see the big deal with Katie Starke to be honest, Canada hasn't had a girl in the top 10 for awhile, maybe they should change things up, and stop sending cookie cutter girls, that look like every other girl I see in Yoga classes in Kits in Vancouver, someone who has more presence and an unusual beauty, most peoples on this forums top 5 or 10 all pretty much look the same, Katie Starke is not going to place 10 ten in Miss Universe, lets be honest, we should send someone unique and see what happens

[MTCW]

I don't see the big deal with Katie Starke to be honest, Canada hasn't had a girl in the top 10 for awhile, maybe they should change things up, and stop sending cookie cutter girls, that look like every other girl I see in Yoga classes in Kits in Vancouver, someone who has more presence and an unusual beauty, most peoples on this forums top 5 or 10 all pretty much look the same, Katie Starke is not going to place 10 ten in Miss Universe, lets be honest, we should send someone unique and see what happens

And who would you consider Unique ? We do not send cookie cutter anyone? Not one of the MUC have looked the same really and they have all been different ethnicity... wow thats a pretty amazing Yoga class if its filled with 5'11 model type blondes... And I think Katie would totally place at MU... many people have said when they have met her she reminds them of jennifer Hawkins - So tell me is jennifer Hawkins the same as all the other girls in your Yoga Class a cookie cutter blonde? There are a bunch of girls this year that can have a impach at MU - I think its a stong group some really beautiful girls -I have a top 5 but I wont list untill I see them in person. because pictures are all photoshopped.

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There are lots of Unique looking girls this year, I just do not consider Katie one of them, I am sorry she is beautiful but she is not Jennifer Hawkins, and the MU isn't looking for another Jennifer Hawkins anyways, it is a different competition from 2004, really the competition has changed since then as has what the world considers beautiful, I also will not state my top 5 but Katie isn't on that list, I do think she is gorgeous (I am not knocking her beauty, but yes she is a traditional looking beauty), I just don't think she can do well in the MU and that is the point of crowning a MUC, maybe your right in 2004 she could have, but not anymore, sometimes I think Canada is always behind the curve, are we too conservative to pick girls that are not the traditional natural beauty ? Anyways, we agree on one thing, best set of girls I have seen in a really long time, this is going to be an exciting year






And who would you consider Unique ? We do not send cookie cutter anyone? Not one of the MUC have looked the same really and they have all been different ethnicity... wow thats a pretty amazing Yoga class if its filled with 5'11 model type blondes... And I think Katie would totally place at MU... many people have said when they have met her she reminds them of jennifer Hawkins - So tell me is jennifer Hawkins the same as all the other girls in your Yoga Class a cookie cutter blonde? There are a bunch of girls this year that can have a impach at MU - I think its a stong group some really beautiful girls -I have a top 5 but I wont list untill I see them in person. because pictures are all photoshopped.

[Shamster]

This will be Katie Starke's year. She came back at the right time and with more experience and maturity. Katie looks like a proper woman now, instead of a teen.

Obviously she's my top favorite at the moment, but some other girls have caught my eye. I'll list them in a bit.

Seems like it'll be a good year for Canada. Katie at MU and (fingers crossed) Ashley Callingbull at MW...hell yea!!

Is Ashely Callingbull competing for Miss Canada World?! I want to see her again for MUC. She's got huge potential and I'm hoping she used her time wisely.

[orbittle]

This will be Katie Starke's year. She came back at the right time and with more experience and maturity. Katie looks like a proper woman now, instead of a teen.

Obviously she's my top favorite at the moment, but some other girls have caught my eye. I'll list them in a bit.

Seems like it'll be a good year for Canada. Katie at MU and (fingers crossed) Ashley Callingbull at MW...hell yea!!

Is Ashely Callingbull competing for Miss Canada World?! I want to see her again for MUC. She's got huge potential and I'm hoping she used her time wisely.

Yup she went to Miss World Canada...I don't know why she went there but I just want her to represent Canada is all. I must somehow convince her to come back to MUC again if MWC doesn't work out...which I hope it doesn't cause she'd kick ass there too

[Shamster]

This will be Katie Starke's year. She came back at the right time and with more experience and maturity. Katie looks like a proper woman now, instead of a teen.

Obviously she's my top favorite at the moment, but some other girls have caught my eye. I'll list them in a bit.

Seems like it'll be a good year for Canada. Katie at MU and (fingers crossed) Ashley Callingbull at MW...hell yea!!

Is Ashely Callingbull competing for Miss Canada World?! I want to see her again for MUC. She's got huge potential and I'm hoping she used her time wisely.

Yup she went to Miss World Canada...I don't know why she went there but I just want her to represent Canada is all. I must somehow convince her to come back to MUC again if MWC doesn't work out...which I hope it doesn't cause she'd kick ass there too

I just saw some pictures of her and I am BLOWN AWAY! She looks fantastic and at the top of her game!

I'm glad she got plenty of experience, though. Experience with competing internationally will give her a leg up in the competition, much like Katie. Hopefully Ashley will compete next year for MUC. I would love to see her at Miss Universe!

Get on convincing her, orbittle!

[orbittle]

This will be Katie Starke's year. She came back at the right time and with more experience and maturity. Katie looks like a proper woman now, instead of a teen.

Obviously she's my top favorite at the moment, but some other girls have caught my eye. I'll list them in a bit.

Seems like it'll be a good year for Canada. Katie at MU and (fingers crossed) Ashley Callingbull at MW...hell yea!!

Is Ashely Callingbull competing for Miss Canada World?! I want to see her again for MUC. She's got huge potential and I'm hoping she used her time wisely.

Yup she went to Miss World Canada...I don't know why she went there but I just want her to represent Canada is all. I must somehow convince her to come back to MUC again if MWC doesn't work out...which I hope it doesn't cause she'd kick ass there too

I just saw some pictures of her and I am BLOWN AWAY! She looks fantastic and at the top of her game!

I'm glad she got plenty of experience, though. Experience with competing internationally will give her a leg up in the competition, much like Katie. Hopefully Ashley will compete next year for MUC. I would love to see her at Miss Universe!

Get on convincing her, orbittle!

Is it bad that I secretly hope she fails at MWC just so that I can see her back at MUC?? Hehe, do not worry I'm sure it won't just be me telling her to go back to MUC!

[professionalpreviews]

I don't see the big deal with Katie Starke to be honest, Canada hasn't had a girl in the top 10 for awhile, maybe they should change things up, and stop sending cookie cutter girls, that look like every other girl I see in Yoga classes in Kits in Vancouver, someone who has more presence and an unusual beauty, most peoples on this forums top 5 or 10 all pretty much look the same, Katie Starke is not going to place 10 ten in Miss Universe, lets be honest, we should send someone unique and see what happens

And who would you consider Unique ? We do not send cookie cutter anyone? Not one of the MUC have looked the same really and they have all been different ethnicity... wow thats a pretty amazing Yoga class if its filled with 5'11 model type blondes... And I think Katie would totally place at MU... many people have said when they have met her she reminds them of jennifer Hawkins - So tell me is jennifer Hawkins the same as all the other girls in your Yoga Class a cookie cutter blonde? There are a bunch of girls this year that can have a impach at MU - I think its a stong group some really beautiful girls -I have a top 5 but I wont list untill I see them in person. because pictures are all photoshopped.

Katie Starke is beautiful but I'm inclined to agree with some of the posts about "cookie cutter" and "I don't see what the big deal is". She is arguably "perfect" but she lacks interest or "that special something".

I'd like to see someone unique or exotic representing Canada's cultural mosaic. After all, most Miss Universe finalists are brunettes with brown eyes. As beautiful as blue eyes are and as much as North American culture idealizes blondes, it is actually a disadvantage at Miss Universe. Psychological studies show that blues eyes are perceived as untrustworthy, but brown eyes are subconsciously perceived as genuine/honest (must have to do with only a very small percentage of the world having blue eyes... but that just makes the point even more... a multi-cultural brown eyed brunette can represent more of the world).

My top 5 are:
Adwoa Yamoah (Canada / Ghana)
Christine Adela White (Canada / Philippines)
Dajana Radovanovic (Canada / Montenegro?)
Sarah Harrison (Canada / UK)
Sahar Biniaz (Canada / India)

One of these unique, worldly beauties would represent our country really well and give Canada a better shot at Top 5 in the Miss Universe pageant.

[professionalpreviews]

Also, there are many returning competitors this year...

What are your thoughts on previous competitors? Should the bar be set higher for those coming back for a second try? I think all should be judged fairly... but say if there were a tie between a new comer and a returning competitor, should the novice not be given more credit for doing just as well without the previous experience upper hand?

[פיקאסו]

MI TOP 7

LISA WONG
22/ 5.10




ELA MINO
20/ 5.8




DAJANA ROVANOVIC (WINNER)
20/ 5.8




CHRISTINE ADELA WHITE
26/ 5.11




ADWOA YAMOAH
24/ 5.9



CHELSEA BIRD
237 5.8



SAHAR BINIAZ
26/ 5.7

[orbittle]

Also, there are many returning competitors this year...

What are your thoughts on previous competitors? Should the bar be set higher for those coming back for a second try? I think all should be judged fairly... but say if there were a tie between a new comer and a returning competitor, should the novice not be given more credit for doing just as well without the previous experience upper hand?

There are times that I agree and disagree with that. It's mostly about preparedness and whether or not the person is ready to make a splash at MU if they were to go there right after they're elected. Take 2010 for example, I know I refer to that year a lot but that's my favourite MUC year thus far. A whole contingent of this forum was rooting for Ashley Callingbull to win, but then you had people like Aleksandra Malkin and Elena Semikina participating as well. Ashley would be the one person that I would single out that was on par with returning contestants. Now let me first say that nothing would have made me happier that year if Ashley was given the win, but realistically speaking she wasn't ready. Elena and Aleksandra were in that regard, more prepared for MU than Ashley was. Elena flopped but I firmly believe that had Aleksandra won she'd have placed at MU.

I think the experience helps, someone that is totally green needs more experience. I'm not going to compare this this to the Latin countries where they have someone new each year. The Canadian delegates do not have as rigorous a training and preparation as they do. Logically speaking, I'd rely on someone that has played the field and understands what it takes beforehand...the unfortunate thing is that there are times when this doesn't always work. With regard to Samantha Tajik vs. Sahar Biniaz, both of the delegates had experience, Samantha was a return contestant and Sahar was fresh of a top 5 finish at MTQI.

To answer your question finally, to skew the judging to be more rigorous with returning contestants is unfair. But hey, I neither own the pageant nor have I any experience with this industry...I'm just speaking as logically I can think of in a case like this. The person you should direct your question to should be people like MTCW or LionsDenU...they're inside peoples!!!

[orbittle]

Also, what's with the Katie dislike...people were fawning over Elena when she participated and Katie IMHO is better than Elena. I think a lot of you are jumping ship too early. You gotta at least wait until the real competition starts to form opinions about contestants, mainly because most of these pictures are not the most recent pictures, despite the hardest I've tried to scour the internet for them (you're all welcome >_>). I'm saying this beforehand that this is going to be somewhat of a difficult year to predict because you have your returning contestants, contestants with previous pageant experience and the totally green contestants that can turn out to be fierce competitors. In short, wait for the Fadils!!!

[MTCW]

All I have to say is that having seem MANY of the girls that people put in there top list, makes me laugh because many are really lacking in the "IT" factor and just take great pics, some are very boring in interview or on Stage, some have awful bodies and some just look old. And some are so stunning yet have not made ANYONE"S list at all. So my point is these lists should be My Top PHOTOGENIC Girls. Some of these girls can not walk on stage. I loved Ashley that year her downfall ( Wardrobe) and walk. She had one of the worst walks I have ever seen. BEAUTIFUL girl Loved her knew she was going to be a contender but then she walked....and ya it was over. She WILL Win Miss WORLD CANADA and if she doesn't they are idoits there are no girls in that pageant that should even be considered. Also what many people need to know about the MUC delegates is the heights these girls list are all increased by 1-2 inches - So they are not that tall at all. usually all the 5'8 girls are 5'6 or 5'7 and all the 5'8 girls put 5'9 cuz they know you need to be tall to win. People should not compare Katie to Elena they are completly different in looks in height in everything- Why neither of them placed at MI who knows but it does prepare them for MUC and MU - And what everyone should also know is MUC was really Katies first Big Pageant. In 2008 we only did a casting for MTCW it was our launch year - Then she went to Teen World and even that wasn't a very big competition but it was her first time being on a stage. So Placing top 12 at MUC was amazing for a girl who really had no experience and was not your typical pageant contestant. She wasn't a model, she wasn't a performer, or a dancer, she didn't follow pageants, or know much about them I dont even think she had watched one on TV then... She just answered a Ad for Miss Teen Canada World cuz she thought it seemed fun- she was a athlete from a small town and she was a hockey player. She is NOT that girl anymore. MUC has crowned Exotic girls many times and they have not done well either so you never know. There is nothing wrong with being a Canadian Blonde and I am not sure why anyone would consider her boring? Because she has white skin? Because her ethinicity is Just "Canadian"? Or to say someone is "perfect" But you don;t like them? And she kinda is perfect in many ways - Anyhow, we will see what happens - I can not wait till the cadid photos of girls come up and people see the real stand outs.
I think we need to crown someone young, someone Tall ( 5'9 and over and a real 5'9), someone who will do well at MU and who will be a great MUC one that the people like sp a great spokesperson. Someone that will work hard to place at MU because they have been working for the title for a while. There are a few girls that fit that decription.
Lets see if one of them take it!

[Eyes Wide Open]

Stumbled onto this thread while looking for updates on DQ’d transgender contestant and started reading...

As a neutral bystander, I am left with the impression that this site is supporting a particular contestant. Between the avatar chosen and the overzealous reaction of “insider” comments of MTCW jumping to defend this contestant, it comes across as a bit impartial. Perhaps this is why some of the writers felt the need to point out the potential pitfalls of this otherwise perfect contestant. Just because you have been groomed from the Teen level to play the pageant game doesn’t necessarily mean it is “your turn to win”. Otherwise people might suggest that these pageants are fixed and what would be the point of anyone else turning up to compete against the girls groomed by the establishment?

The winner should be the contestant on the day of the pageant that is beautiful, looks great in the bikini, can walk with grace, is intelligent and articulate...and having all these previous prerequisites...should above all have a sparkle...something special that makes people relate to her and want her to succeed. You just can’t force it, girls either have it or they don’t !!! I believe this is what made Natalie Glebova successful in 2005 at Miss Universe. She was able to connect with the audience/judges.

I wish everyone would relax and stop being so defensive. This is supposed to be an open forum where people can say how they feel. I didn’t take any of the comments as being bashing or mean. It seemed to me that people were just sharing their insights on the whole situation. Besides...I didn’t see anybody jumping to Sahar Biniaz’s defence when somebody said she was too old and too short!!! (oh yeh, so with respect to height thing...based on MTCW’s previous comments can we assume that her chosen contestant is actually only between 5’9 and 5’10 in height, or is she the only contestant to tell the truth about that?)

Just saying...relax and let the girls have a fun experience and compete on the day 

[MTCW]

Stumbled onto this thread while looking for updates on DQ’d transgender contestant and started reading...

As a neutral bystander, I am left with the impression that this site is supporting a particular contestant. Between the avatar chosen and the overzealous reaction of “insider” comments of MTCW jumping to defend this contestant, it comes across as a bit impartial. Perhaps this is why some of the writers felt the need to point out the potential pitfalls of this otherwise perfect contestant. Just because you have been groomed from the Teen level to play the pageant game doesn’t necessarily mean it is “your turn to win”. Otherwise people might suggest that these pageants are fixed and what would be the point of anyone else turning up to compete against the girls groomed by the establishment?

The winner should be the contestant on the day of the pageant that is beautiful, looks great in the bikini, can walk with grace, is intelligent and articulate...and having all these previous prerequisites...should above all have a sparkle...something special that makes people relate to her and want her to succeed. You just can’t force it, girls either have it or they don’t !!! I believe this is what made Natalie Glebova successful in 2005 at Miss Universe. She was able to connect with the audience/judges.

I wish everyone would relax and stop being so defensive. This is supposed to be an open forum where people can say how they feel. I didn’t take any of the comments as being bashing or mean. It seemed to me that people were just sharing their insights on the whole situation. Besides...I didn’t see anybody jumping to Sahar Biniaz’s defence when somebody said she was too old and too short!!! (oh yeh, so with respect to height thing...based on MTCW’s previous comments can we assume that her chosen contestant is actually only between 5’9 and 5’10 in height, or is she the only contestant to tell the truth about that?)

Just saying...relax and let the girls have a fun experience and compete on the day 

Totally Agree with you and your post that its on the NIGHT - Because many girls just don't shine at at all which is often why ppl say another girl should win but they were not there. No Katie is 5'11 I have measured her lol ( I think the taller girls say their actual its the 5'6 -5'7 -5'8 girls that don't meh I lied too hahah ) and I am Bias and I said that in a previous post that obviously I am on Team Katie and last year I was team Chelsae lol but I have other girls I really like as well and I would never say that someone is not amazing if they are and when I see the show I will give a honest opinion on all of them and not just say "KATIE is the best" Unless she really was. And I will flat out tell her if someome was better then her and she knows the competition is fierce this year. Being from a teen program does not make it her year to win ( nothing makes her year to win unless she performs the best) being from a teen program has no revelence at all actually and maybe it can hurt her...ppl bash her for being "too Teen" or that she didnt place at MI and compare her to Elena and I think some thought she had more experience then she actually did at that time or more prep then she really had. Let the girl do her thing and then judge her and if she sucks I will be the first to admit it. As for Insider I have just been to all the shows the last couple of years and met many of the girls over the years ( Not all of course and there are some I am curious to see if they are as great as their photos) I think I met or seen about half and I just think its funny when I see lists of girls that are clearly not top 20 material. Obviously Sahar is top 5 No Doubt and I did say that before. And I said that I think she is beautiful I thought she was when she was 17 when I met her. Lets wait till the pageant starts to form opinions - thats why I have not posted a list yet.

[orbittle]

Just a note for all of you! There are two new contestants participating in the competition. The first person is Carla Bradstock, she's 26 years old, 5'10'' tall and from Richmond, British Columbia. A cool thing about her is that she's a professional volleyball player (I think) although I don't know at which level she plays at. The other contestant is Brianne Kidner who is 19 years old, 5'8'' tall and from Edmonton, she's creating her own NGO which is awesome in my books.

As always the profiles are on the first page!

[orbittle]

There was a charity event held recently with most of the contestants from Ontario. Here are some pictures of the event:

[orbittle]

MOAR PICTURES!

[orbittle]

EVEN MOAR PICTURES!

[orbittle]

MOOOOOOAAAAR

[canadianexpert]

Cute photos! x

[kylet3]

Thanks for all the photos!

Dajana isn't in that group is she? I'm still concerned with Katie though, some pictures I've seen are just spectacular, but these ones, I don't think she'd be anywhere near the semis again. She's just not screaming OMG to me. I don't know... There's something missing.

[orbittle]

Thanks for all the photos!

Dajana isn't in that group is she? I'm still concerned with Katie though, some pictures I've seen are just spectacular, but these ones, I don't think she'd be anywhere near the semis again. She's just not screaming OMG to me. I don't know... There's something missing.

No need to thank me, just doing what I'm supposed to do ^_^.

Re: Dajana - I admit that saying most of the Ontario participants were there was an exaggeration. Let's just say it was less than that.

I'm a Katie apologist (or a fervent fan, you can interpret it however)...but I'm going to keep my mouth shut just cause I've decided not to be biased in my treatment of the contestants from now on. But I will say is that I hope one day BOC will opt to do some sort of live streaming of the competition just so we're in on what happens during the final night. That way we can either rage or celebrate about who the winner was and all the other stuff that comes along with watching a competition...maybe after Jenna-gate the Canadian networks may be more interested in airing it...wishful thinking though.