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Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:26 am
by fermnedoza
On 2015, there is no doubt in our mind that next to the Filipinos who won their third Miss Universe crown after forty-plus years, the Thais were the happiest with the result of the 64th Miss Universe pageant as their country's delegate, Aniporn Chalermburanawong, returned the country into the semifinals of the pageant which they, like their Filipino neighbors, consider as the ultimate pageant arena.

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Over the years, Thailand distinguished itself in pageantry as the other Asian country that places and wins just like China, Lebanon , India, Israel, Japan, and the Philippines in international beauty contests. But so unlike the last four mentioned countries that cemented their position as global powerhouses of beauty, Thailand seems to be standing in not so stable position; as it almost always find itself caught up in the throes of possible emergence only to be found submerging again in ignominy with failed take-offs.

For years, Thailand has been playing the role of Asia's unfulfilled promise; a country whose presence never really made a big dent when it should have due largely to their failure to sustain their wins with strong follow-ups.

To an outsider looking into Thais affair in pageantry, it is puzzling why Thailand never managed to have a long streak of placements in Major pageants specially at Miss World and Miss Universe.

If we're to look at Thailand's record we could easily notice the dismal reality that after they placed once or twice consecutively those placements are almost always followed by years of non-placements in the aforementioned pageants.


Pageant Placements Best result
Miss Universe 8 Winner (1965, 1988)
Miss World 7 3rd Runner-up (1989)
Miss International 15 1st Runner-up (1971, 2010)
Miss Earth 8 2nd Runner-up (2010, 2013)
Total 38 2 Winners


Based on their recent records; Thailand is doing fairly well at Miss International and Miss Earth where they impressively placed a good number of times and with consecutive placements to boast.

They placed the most at Miss International with 15 placements which include three Runners-up victories while they placed eight times at Miss Earth with two elemental crowns. Those placements while impressive can be largely attributed to the fact that in Big 5 pageants (MW, Miss Universe, MI, and ME) Thailand's sash*factor are naturally stronger in the younger pageants as the nation shared an affinity with the Philippines as co-Southeast Asian and answers to the bias and preference of the Japanese for a fair skinned type of beauty; not to mention the fact that Thailand sends contestants whose reserve personalities fit what MIO is looking for their would be queens.


So the questions that we must now answer are: Why and how come Thailand is failing to sustain its strides? And what's to be done specially for it to confront head on the challenge of not allowing itself to be overshadowed by the rising Asian stars of pageantry that happen to be its neighbors - Indonesia, Vietnam and even Myanmar (personally, I myself is betting on the possibility that Indonesia will overtake Thailand in a shorter time than expected as far as placements and winnings are concerned)?

The Goods.

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It should be cited that Thailand has one of the most vibrant pageant scenes in the world. Unlike in Indonesia, Malaysia, and Vietnam; religious and political restrictions on beauty pageants are almost non-existent if not totally absent in Thailand. Thailand, also has one of the longest tradition in pageant participation than most of its neighbors. But special mention must be made on the following:

1. Thailand's national pageant organizations. - There is no denying that Thailand has some of the best national pageant organizations in the world not only on their ability to give spectacular shows for their national finals but for the way they provide support for their representatives in international competitions. The way their queens are given training and clothing show that the Thai organizations never spare anything for their representatives.

More than that, these national pageant organizers with their successful staging of Miss Universe and Thai-based international pageants such as Miss Queen International and Miss Grand International also placed these organizations under the radars of International pageant organizations as ideal partners for hosting their pageants (in Thailand).

2. Market - With a large fandom and pageant community, Thailand is a major market that international pageant organizations cannot ignore and would want to please and conquer.

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While they are not as influential as the Filipinos and the Indians they nevertheless has the numbers as a large market.

3. The beauty of the Thais - Its large population offers an assured, continuing, available and diverse sources of would be representatives.

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Sadly, while Thailand has the above strengths it also has the following weaknesses.

The Bad

1. Failed Marketing strategy - As stated above, Thailand's national organizations provide for their delegates but these organizations failed to take the initiative in marketing their delegates. In the last five years, we were treated to nothing but the same refrain of the Thai beauty queens having the "bestest" outfits, with the brands of their suitcases even given emphasis.

In last year's editions of Big4 pageants the foreign fans learned more about the Thai national costumes and the outfits of the Thai beauty queens and less about their representatives!

And of course, what's worst than over selling your candidates?
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(images from http://www.facebook.com/The-New-Big-Four-International-Beauty-Pageants-555046951270902/?fref=ts)



2. The fans -
Indeed the Thais is an important market and one that any international pageant organization would want to please if only to be patronized by them. But some Thais are bringing fanaticism to extreme. Yes, it is but right to rant when you disagree with the result of the contest but one must learn to draw the line.

Creating memes that ripped at pageant organizers and of the pageant itself may be seen as funny and as just comueppance to a perceived injustice; but such actions will not in anyway endear the Thais to the international pageant organizations and to their (pageants) fans.

In the long run such actions will likely work against Thailand as these place the international organizations and pageant organizations in a quandary as their future actions, specially those that are favorable to Thailand, might be seen as a move to just silence their critics by other fans.

3. The Thai representatives. As a pageant follower, I found it very safe to say that the Thai representatives are among the best in doing vanishing acts in the competitions; they are everywhere and nowhere in pageants where they are competing. They lack the initiatives to seize and create opportunities to be noticed and oftentimes were being noticed mostly for the wrong reasons.

Remember Miss Thailand at Miss Universe '12, '13, '14? And what about the beautiful Nonthawan 'Maeya' Thongleng who even declared that she'll engaged the Philippines' Valerie Weigmann at the Miss World in an interview before MW '14 ? They been marketed as frontrunners during their times but all failed to match the hype made on them. Thongleng as we all know by now failed to make the first cut and only made the semis through the Thai fans.

A quick review of the international contests where they took part will also gives us an idea that Thailand's delegates almost always top the list of having the most number of (published) selfies and groupies. Yes, a candidate must enjoy and have fun in the competition BUT he'she must learn to at least have the prudence not to give the impression that he/she's no longer just enjoying the competition but his/her vacation. They are after all are applying for a job! In last year's Miss Universe editions both Paulina Vega and Pia Wurtzbach along with their runners-up were both described by their competitors as serious and too self-occupied.

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With those observations made, Thailand then must built on the achievements they had in the previous years and work to make its advantages work for them to further strengthen its brand equity through the following:

Next to the Philippines, Thailand is the most successful Asian country in major pageants in the first five years of this decade as they also managed to place at least once in each of the major pageants which make it, - Frst - necessary for them to review and even repeat those things that could have possibly worked for them. At Miss International contest for example, they placed consecutively by sending experienced delegates from Miss Earth so sending crossover beauties, not necessarily a former ME queen, must always be considered as an option.

Second; pageant organizers in Thailand must also train and prepare their delegates for the mental rigors of being in an international contest specially on sustaining their competitiveness up to the finish. Oftentimes we watch Thai candidates start in the competition strong only to lose steam at mid-stream.

Third; Considering that beauty queens are now expected to be the face and spokeperson of the international pageants Thailand must also prepare and train their delegates at least in conversational English. Forget janine Tugonon's answer which is only ideal but not necessarily realistic. English is the universal language and the language of pageantry. We must accept the fact that the Thai language while beautiful is not English and not even among the languages being used globally. Note that in the last 20 years beauty pageants were won by countries whose languages are widely spoken and are considered official languages of the United Nations or of international businesses and organizations - Spanish, Russian, Chinese etc. - which the Thai language is not.

Fourth; The national organizations and the Thai fans MUST also learn to make noise and market their delegates. Their DELEGATES and not their delegates' accessories! And they must of course do it without exaggeration. Make the world pay attention to their delegates' actual strength instead of somethings that are non-existent.

Thais must realized that in pageants, their delegate is their product and their country is the brand; so they must ask what their delegate could realistically brought into the table and market that strength.

Describing your delegate as the "bestest" in Asia just can't capture the imagination specially when the person being described could easily bested by others. Venezuela captured the world by presenting perfection. India rose on the 90's with their delegates reputation for philosophical way of answering questions; while the Philippines reclaimed its glory by showing the world that the Filipinas could walk!

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The Thai delegates must learn from the examples set by their successful predecessors. Punika Kulsoontornrut, for example did not accomplish her feats by passively waiting for things to happen for her. Her actions matched the hype and the marketing being done for her. Thailand managed to place again at Miss Universe because Aniporn never stayed in the background but made the world paid her attention.

As the new pageant year is to unfold, Thailand is now in a crossroad of whether or not they spend the year again clapping in the background or building on the mark made by Aniporn. Just like the other countries that placed last year, Thailand now has the attention of the world which are waiting for their follow-up. Waiting to see whether they will send a delegate that will bring the fight into a notch higher than last year or a candidate that will once again take to the background and comforting herself by the fact that they just placed last year.

More than that the challenge is for the entire pageant community to show the world that they can actually work n'sync with each other. That the organizations provide for their queens and initiate the promotion of their candidates' REAL strengths which the Thai fans could highlight and hype for the world to consume whenever they invade pageant related blogs and sites While the Thai delegates must work hard to match the hype.




Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:53 am
by Philippinesupporter1998
What a wonderful analysis of Thailand's performance in the Big 5/5! :-*

P.S. - Waiting 4 doordex to comment in 3...2...1...

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:02 pm
by markita
Philippines is the VENEZUELA of asia. woot woot!
This thread has so much juice, I could make a curry out of it. (winks at VERPAT THE VERMIN)

Great job TS! give us more! :-*

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:37 pm
by Oscillate
You have raised valid and interesting points. :=p :=p :=p

Thais are focused too much on wardrobes. I can't understand the craze each year about wardrobes (alone). The competition does not lie there.

If there is one country that have taken the potential of Thailand - that's Indonesia. they are slowly carving their name in pageantry. Thailand should learn show Indonesia "learned".

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:57 pm
by DaleSoriano
REMEMBER THIS: THAILAND IS NOT PHILIPPINES! =;))
PHILIPPINE delegate is always ready to rumble!


:!!

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:15 pm
by GARAM PHANG
THAILAND HAS TO STOP SENDING DOORDEX LOOK A LIKE CONTESTANT.. NAWAT SHOULD COPY GAFFUD..ESPECIALLY GAFFUDS NOSE.. IT SO EDIBLE..

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:59 pm
by manoypoe
GREAT JOB TS.

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:54 pm
by Stoichio

One thing that Thailand needs to do is to junk the notion of the world that their Miss Tiffany's are not more beautiful than their real girls. As long as this fact remains, the world will not see Thai beauty queens as winsome.




Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:07 pm
by icesean
GARAM PHANG wrote:THAILAND HAS TO STOP SENDING DOORDEX LOOK A LIKE CONTESTANT.. NAWAT SHOULD COPY GAFFUD..ESPECIALLY GAFFUDS NOSE.. IT SO EDIBLE..


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Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
by Jake.Horan
You have highlighted excellent points Fernan. Thank you for the article.

I am convinced that Thailand, in recent years, has sent excellent representatives who have undeniably served face to the camera whilst wearing the flashest outfits and bling like they were sponsored by God's favour. That's all well and good but face and wardrobe can only graze someone a little bit with a hotter than usual iron; no one's going to walk away with proverbial 3rd degree burns however godsent their gown is. The candidate's personality has to come through. And that's where they fall short: they don't showcase them as a person as much as they do on the clothing front of things. They forget that the confidence and the drive to win has to come from the woman, not from the well-crafted image they have meticulously manufactured.

That's the contrast I see with Thailand and Philippines in terms of pageants - the thirst to win AND the honour to represent, with the latter being a common narrative. Like the country's salvation from poverty depended on that crown. I see Indonesia following suit with trying to keep the momentum after a couple of consecutive placements in Miss Universe. With Ani's placement, things may change.

I'd like to see a Thai queen completely stripped of bling, just wear shirt and jeans and convince me that they're going to be queen of Earth and Venus and run my shit one day.

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:39 am
by fermnedoza
And you actually referred to me by my name, Jake Horan. :%)) :%)) :%)) such keen attention to details.

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:42 pm
by zashkibuta
I USED TO ADMIRE THAI QUEENS ESPECIALLY THEIR REPRESENTATIVES IN THE 80'S. BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR HAY-WIRED FANS, I STOPPED SUPPORTING THEM..

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:37 pm
by aimee_aimee


Thanks to take your time writing about Thailand's performance.

......I would like to give you some more information about MUT, I will saying only about Miss Universe Thailand, because other stages do not share the same value. And For Thai (in general , not only Thai beauty pageantry fans) it is the most prestige one.

1. Both 2 Miss Universe from Thailand had native English speaking skill, we know that is important but..
2. It difficult to find a perfect candidate for international pageantry and at the same time being compatible in Thai norm....which still much conservative and nationalism than the Philippines, because...these paradox and complexity.

- Beauty is in the eye of beholder, Thailand's norm of beauty is not the same as one of the Philippines...It is about " difference is charming". The facial beauties as of several Binibinings, who placed high in an international level, can easily found here every where in Thailand... ( dear forumers please stay peace and clam, I didn't say that your Binibini is not beautiful. They are beautiful. ) Then MUT want something different.. a rare pearl for them. "Exotic" in western definition is not really exotic for us.(exotic = rare and being different) Unfortunately... Exotic is a matter for international judges. The Philippines' Binibini shares more common sense of "exotic" with the western judges than Miss Universe Thailand. Then don't be serprise if you see some Thai fan saying Binibini is not beautiful... and some Philippino fans saying MUT is ugly.. It is because we are not looking in the same direction.

- Thai society place the beauty of mind and manner of a girl before her physical beauty... I know it is the same too in the Philippines... but Thai society is more strict... for example Pia's answer about military base and her photo on bed with Dr.Mike .... If she was MUT or a Thai celebrity , it considered as an inappropriate behavior.... MUT should not involve or has an influence on people in politic. And having a close-relationship photo with a man is taboo... before and during reigning the title. An ordinary girl can do it... but not the celeberties who automatically engage in being a role model.

- sexy / seductive / sexual apparel..bla bla.. are not intergrated in MUT stereotype. Because Thai people love a proper girl who preserved and shy...considered as a "good girl/ a worthy one" .. The MUT song lyric proves it!!! ... The song praises the winner as " the most beautiful girl who catch our eyes and our heart, shining out by her proper-Thai-lady inner. The worthy woman who fulled with faith and knows the values in herself, then she behaves well as a good lady.. her manner is admired, appropriate and elegant. She is outstanding and shiny as the moon among stars......" Then do you think that MUT will crown a sexy girl who will make her first walk by accompanied with this song?? ...it is just can't!! There is Thai proverb compares a beautiful woman with bad attitude and bad manner as a flower with no smell... only good to eye, but no value inside.

- Most of Thai fans are really happy that Aniporn was so herself, be friendly and beloved by staffs and other candidates, even she is not fluent in English. You know, Thai representative is not there for only the crown.. but they were also there to show the world how is Thai people... They are our Goodwill Ambassadors. She serves the country. It is the attitude. The crown is last only one reigning year..... But country reputation lasts longer.

- About MUT being so fashionable... as I said she serve the country... we also used her to promote our ability of being a fashion city... Aiming as a fashion city is already written in the country plan... Thanks Pia to said in Steve's programme that Thailand has good wardrobe and she like it. And It is can't help that Aniporn is a sweetheart of several brands... They want her to wear their cloths... The first time in MUT history that a representative get such this sweet supports. Aniporn serve the country so well, she got Thailand's Prim Minister as her Tuk Tuk driver during her home coming too.
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- There was a moment that, MUT Director made us feel like she looked for an "actress" not a "beauty queen".... we don't understand the reason. She is a national Director... probably she knows well something and then change her aim....

- Beauty camps, there were in Thailand... but it seem that we don't like a beauty queen who too experienced.... we love a young, fresh and natural. Time to time no-camp candidates win the title.

- While The Philippines love so much mix-blood and western named girl... Thailand is quite anti about it. If you look back, just very few mix-bloods won the MUT title.... most of them end as top 5 . And they use a Thai name in Pageantry. For example... 1st runner-up acting for MUT 2014 Pimbongkod... her real name is Alison Samson... And Farida Waller used "Natphimon Nattayalak" during MUT 2012. MUT requests its candidates not only being a Thai woman but have to resident in Thailand at least 6 months before and perfectly reading-writing Thai. Alison had to broke up with her boyfriend move back living alone in Thailand for 8 months.. and had only few months for study writing and reading Thai. This 2 requests writes off probably 99.9% of Thai mix blood around the world.

- Another thing that different than the Philippines, In Thailand... being a star/actress is higher than being a beauty queen... there are some beauty queen who steps up her career as a new actress.... but There is no prima actress come down to pageantry.

I make a long post to share you reason, value and attitude about Miss Universe Thailand.. I hope you understand the reasons we choose our queens.... The two our Miss Universe 1964 and 1988 are the real pride of Thailand. They not only won the crowns..but they won it with Thai personality.

My comment does not in attempt to hurt or offend anyone. I just want to share things here in Thai's perspective, as a Thai person... I hope we can understand each other more..




Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:50 pm
by aimee_aimee
Stoichio wrote:
One thing that Thailand needs to do is to junk the notion of the world that their Miss Tiffany's are not more beautiful than their real girls. As long as this fact remains, the world will not see Thai beauty queens as winsome.





It is must be difficult to change this. The 63rd world most beautiful face of TC Candler 2015 (73rd in 2014) is a born-boy Thai girl who now is an actress in Hong Kong. https://www.instagram.com/poydtreechada (She's Miss Tiffany 2004 and Miss International Queen 2004)

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Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:48 am
by wiltz13
very well point out analysis!
I agree with all your points! Bravo! :=p :=p :=p

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:05 pm
by fermnedoza

@"aimee_aimee"

First, I would like to thank you for sharing your perspective on the dynamics of Thai pageantry. Who else understand it better than Thai people themselves? Also I would like to re-assure you that the issues you raised were duly noted and I must say given consideration before and while I was writing my analysis, which was in fact my main reason for not calling for a total overhaul or change in your representatives' personalities. Kindly note of the fact that I never made a suggestion to that effect but rather for the Thais to make the necessary adjustment specially on the manner of how you compete.

The article is not about how you select your girls but rather on the way they are being "marketed" or not being marketed properly. Kindly answer this; Why does Thailand Joins Beauty pageants? To win a crown, right? So do you believed that your country could achieve that by giving too much importance in informing the world on how your candidates will be dressed? As I suggested in the main article, you must learn to prioritize your delegates. You must learn to make noise about them and highlight their strengths and not about their blings.

Indeed, you are a beautiful people and you are sending beautiful delegates with a beauty that is so unique even among Asians so why not highlight that fact? You are making the world overlook that trait of your delegates because you made them pay more attention to the accessories that adorns your queens.

Please kindly remind yourselves and always remember that joining a beauty pageant is comparable to applying for a job, that your representatives are applicants for a job that is also being sought by other girls (applicants) So you must market your delegates based on why she should be the one to land that job.

And speaking about your country's reputation; I would like to point out that the way some of your compatriots are conducting themselves every time you failed in your bids to place or win in pageants do not give your country a good reputation.

The way some Thais were lambasting pageants' organizers and people of other nationalities with unfounded criticisms and even baseless accusations will not help build a good relationships between Thailand and the offended organizations and people. Do you really believed that you will earn Julia Morley's favor after she was practically ripped on-line by the Thais at the conclusion of Miss World 2014 and just because of the photo below?
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And what about the way your compatriots have been lambasting the Filipinos and the Miss Earth pageants? If its not obvious to the your fellow Thais let me point out that among the Major pageants; Thailand actually is most successful and is in fact being given more placements/successes at Miss Earth. Imagine, your country is able to place eight times at Miss Earth within a short span of 15 years equal to what you managed to achieve at Miss Universe in more than 60 years and more than what you accomplished at Miss World! And some of your compatriots even have the gall to accuse the pageant of cheating you?



aimee_aimee wrote:

Thanks to take your time writing about Thailand's performance.

......I would like to give you some more information about MUT, I will saying only about Miss Universe Thailand, because other stages do not share the same value. And For Thai (in general , not only Thai beauty pageantry fans) it is the most prestige one.

1. Both 2 Miss Universe from Thailand had native English speaking skill, we know that is important but..
2. It difficult to find a perfect candidate for international pageantry and at the same time being compatible in Thai norm....which still much conservative and nationalism than the Philippines, because...these paradox and complexity.

- Beauty is in the eye of beholder, Thailand's norm of beauty is not the same as one of the Philippines...It is about " difference is charming". The facial beauties as of several Binibinings, who placed high in an international level, can easily found here every where in Thailand... ( dear forumers please stay peace and clam, I didn't say that your Binibini is not beautiful. They are beautiful. ) Then MUT want something different.. a rare pearl for them. "Exotic" in western definition is not really exotic for us.(exotic = rare and being different) Unfortunately... Exotic is a matter for international judges. The Philippines' Binibini shares more common sense of "exotic" with the western judges than Miss Universe Thailand. Then don't be serprise if you see some Thai fan saying Binibini is not beautiful... and some Philippino fans saying MUT is ugly.. It is because we are not looking in the same direction.

- Thai society place the beauty of mind and manner of a girl before her physical beauty... I know it is the same too in the Philippines... but Thai society is more strict... for example Pia's answer about military base and her photo on bed with Dr.Mike .... If she was MUT or a Thai celebrity , it considered as an inappropriate behavior.... MUT should not involve or has an influence on people in politic. And having a close-relationship photo with a man is taboo... before and during reigning the title. An ordinary girl can do it... but not the celeberties who automatically engage in being a role model.

- sexy / seductive / sexual apparel..bla bla.. are not intergrated in MUT stereotype. Because Thai people love a proper girl who preserved and shy...considered as a "good girl/ a worthy one" .. The MUT song lyric proves it!!! ... The song praises the winner as " the most beautiful girl who catch our eyes and our heart, shining out by her proper-Thai-lady inner. The worthy woman who fulled with faith and knows the values in herself, then she behaves well as a good lady.. her manner is admired, appropriate and elegant. She is outstanding and shiny as the moon among stars......" Then do you think that MUT will crown a sexy girl who will make her first walk by accompanied with this song?? ...it is just can't!! There is Thai proverb compares a beautiful woman with bad attitude and bad manner as a flower with no smell... only good to eye, but no value inside.

- Most of Thai fans are really happy that Aniporn was so herself, be friendly and beloved by staffs and other candidates, even she is not fluent in English. You know, Thai representative is not there for only the crown.. but they were also there to show the world how is Thai people... They are our Goodwill Ambassadors. She serves the country. It is the attitude. The crown is last only one reigning year..... But country reputation lasts longer.

- About MUT being so fashionable... as I said she serve the country... we also used her to promote our ability of being a fashion city... Aiming as a fashion city is already written in the country plan... Thanks Pia to said in Steve's programme that Thailand has good wardrobe and she like it. And It is can't help that Aniporn is a sweetheart of several brands... They want her to wear their cloths... The first time in MUT history that a representative get such this sweet supports. Aniporn serve the country so well, she got Thailand's Prim Minister as her Tuk Tuk driver during her home coming too.
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- There was a moment that, MUT Director made us feel like she looked for an "actress" not a "beauty queen".... we don't understand the reason. She is a national Director... probably she knows well something and then change her aim....

- Beauty camps, there were in Thailand... but it seem that we don't like a beauty queen who too experienced.... we love a young, fresh and natural. Time to time no-camp candidates win the title.

- While The Philippines love so much mix-blood and western named girl... Thailand is quite anti about it. If you look back, just very few mix-bloods won the MUT title.... most of them end as top 5 . And they use a Thai name in Pageantry. For example... 1st runner-up acting for MUT 2014 Pimbongkod... her real name is Alison Samson... And Farida Waller used "Natphimon Nattayalak" during MUT 2012. MUT requests its candidates not only being a Thai woman but have to resident in Thailand at least 6 months before and perfectly reading-writing Thai. Alison had to broke up with her boyfriend move back living alone in Thailand for 8 months.. and had only few months for study writing and reading Thai. This 2 requests writes off probably 99.9% of Thai mix blood around the world.

- Another thing that different than the Philippines, In Thailand... being a star/actress is higher than being a beauty queen... there are some beauty queen who steps up her career as a new actress.... but There is no prima actress come down to pageantry.

I make a long post to share you reason, value and attitude about Miss Universe Thailand.. I hope you understand the reasons we choose our queens.... The two our Miss Universe 1964 and 1988 are the real pride of Thailand. They not only won the crowns..but they won it with Thai personality.

My comment does not in attempt to hurt or offend anyone. I just want to share things here in Thai's perspective, as a Thai person... I hope we can understand each other more..




Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:40 pm
by ajsy0203
But why they fell short 28 years after Porntip Nakhirunkanok's victory in the Big 5 pageants the recent is Pla lost to Asha at MS 2014?

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:37 pm
by Miss Pretty
Actually Thailand should make connection and pay more to Miss Universe, MW, and MI likes the Philippines did. No need to mention about ME as it is just a cooking show made by the Philippines and cheat…ops!!! win by the Philippines….lol

I agree that Thai fans are bad, but they are in the same level as Vietnam and Indonesia. However, the worst one is Filipino…go to Miss Colombia 15's IG (or Ines's, Miss Universe Germany's, Miss Universe Indonesia's) after Miss Universe final and you will see how disgusting they are.

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:42 pm
by aimee_aimee
Thank you for you reply.

I don't think that Thai Fan are the worst ... take some of your time look at social media accounts of other countries' representative. You will found the answer who is the worst one. You asked me about Thai fans' reaction to Miss Earth.... go to see an officially topic of Miss Grand International here, in missosology forum, the evidence still there how Philippino fans were nice to Thai pageantry organized in Thailand. And then go to see missosology facebook , a post that anounced Philipinnes get B2B Miss Earth last year.... look at the negative comments there...they came from several countries, even from your compatriots. There is just 1-2 % of all comments came from Thai.

I don't see a problem that Thai organization dress their representative very well. I heard Philippine people here complained a lot when they representative did not dress well in pageantry...
for example
-- in Miss International 2015, I even heard some Philippino said that they want to see Janicel in Sasi's dresses and stlying.
-- Edymar Miss International 2015 was a very fashionable candidate in the pageantry also.
-- Last year in Miss Universe, Elvira was very fashionable and Philippino loved her wardrobe so much... and she landed at top 15.
-- Then what is wrong with Aniporn cloths?? She often wore shirt/T-shirt, jeans, jacket and trainers for casual activities.... and well dressed up in official activities.... Pia loves Aniporn cloths too. Then what is wrong???

She's officially placed in top 10 and unofficially 6th. Thais are really happy and satisfied with her performance, her manner during competition and the way she represented Thailand. I don't understand what is the problem for non-Thai.

You asked me "Kindly answer this; Why does Thailand Joins Beauty pageants? To win a crown, right? "

I thought that you were understand it.. Why? Because it is all about a business and opportunities. If you think that National Director aims only for a crown, then please answer me why another 40-50 countries (who never get the crown, or not even placed..or not even come close) still keep sending their representative ??? Is it really all for one crown? Why Thailand's tourism Authority sponsors Miss Universe Thailand ??? Why did several designers sponsor cloths to Aniporn ??? It is only for helping her??? Why did the girls had to wear the evening dress that ND gave her???? There are a lot of business behind the pageantry, otherwise ND won't keep paying an expensive franchise...they don't do a charity...and Miss Universe is not a charity organization. Why the franchise fee is not the same in every countries??? ... because it is depend on how much ND can get a returning profit from their invest(franchise fee). Since before competition started, I had given a words that Pia would be at least, in top 5... It is easily to guess that.. Las Vegas is a second home of Philipino, the hall was fulled by Philipino fans, how did Miss Universe dare to let one of the most loyal fans be disappointed.


fermnedoza wrote:
@"aimee_aimee"

First, I would like to thank you for sharing your perspective on the dynamics of Thai pageantry. Who else understand it better than Thai people themselves? Also I would like to re-assure you that the issues you raised were duly noted and I must say given consideration before and while I was writing my analysis, which was in fact my main reason for not calling for a total overhaul or change in your representatives' personalities. Kindly note of the fact that I never made a suggestion to that effect but rather for the Thais to make the necessary adjustment specially on the manner of how you compete.

The article is not about how you select your girls but rather on the way they are being "marketed" or not being marketed properly. Kindly answer this; Why does Thailand Joins Beauty pageants? To win a crown, right? So do you believed that your country could achieve that by giving too much importance in informing the world on how your candidates will be dressed? As I suggested in the main article, you must learn to prioritize your delegates. You must learn to make noise about them and highlight their strengths and not about their blings.

Indeed, you are a beautiful people and you are sending beautiful delegates with a beauty that is so unique even among Asians so why not highlight that fact? You are making the world overlook that trait of your delegates because you made them pay more attention to the accessories that adorns your queens.

Please kindly remind yourselves and always remember that joining a beauty pageant is comparable to applying for a job, that your representatives are applicants for a job that is also being sought by other girls (applicants) So you must market your delegates based on why she should be the one to land that job.

And speaking about your country's reputation; I would like to point out that the way some of your compatriots are conducting themselves every time you failed in your bids to place or win in pageants do not give your country a good reputation.

The way some Thais were lambasting pageants' organizers and people of other nationalities with unfounded criticisms and even baseless accusations will not help build a good relationships between Thailand and the offended organizations and people. Do you really believed that you will earn Julia Morley's favor after she was practically ripped on-line by the Thais at the conclusion of Miss World 2014 and just because of the photo below?
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And what about the way your compatriots have been lambasting the Filipinos and the Miss Earth pageants? If its not obvious to the your fellow Thais let me point out that among the Major pageants; Thailand actually is most successful and is in fact being given more placements/successes at Miss Earth. Imagine, your country is able to place eight times at Miss Earth within a short span of 15 years equal to what you managed to achieve at Miss Universe in more than 60 years and more than what you accomplished at Miss World! And some of your compatriots even have the gall to accuse the pageant of cheating you?



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Thanks to take your time writing about Thailand's performance.

......I would like to give you some more information about MUT, I will saying only about Miss Universe Thailand, because other stages do not share the same value. And For Thai (in general , not only Thai beauty pageantry fans) it is the most prestige one.
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Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:47 pm
by aimee_aimee
Jake.Horan wrote:You have highlighted excellent points Fernan. Thank you for the article.

I am convinced that Thailand, in recent years, has sent excellent representatives who have undeniably served face to the camera whilst wearing the flashest outfits and bling like they were sponsored by God's favour. That's all well and good but face and wardrobe can only graze someone a little bit with a hotter than usual iron; no one's going to walk away with proverbial 3rd degree burns however godsent their gown is. The candidate's personality has to come through. And that's where they fall short: they don't showcase them as a person as much as they do on the clothing front of things. They forget that the confidence and the drive to win has to come from the woman, not from the well-crafted image they have meticulously manufactured.

That's the contrast I see with Thailand and Philippines in terms of pageants - the thirst to win AND the honour to represent, with the latter being a common narrative. Like the country's salvation from poverty depended on that crown. I see Indonesia following suit with trying to keep the momentum after a couple of consecutive placements in Miss Universe. With Ani's placement, things may change.

I'd like to see a Thai queen completely stripped of bling, just wear shirt and jeans and convince me that they're going to be queen of Earth and Venus and run my shit one day.


Well you want to see "Thai queen completely stripped of bling, just wear shirt and jeans..."...why you want Thai queen wear just jeans and shirt while other candidates didn't do it?????
you want to see it,then..ok photos below ... For causual activities, Aniporn often wore shirt/T-shirt, jeans, jacket and trainers or flat boots (I hope you allow her to put some jacket because it was cold there.).... and well dressed up in official activities. Even for preliminary interview, she wore a shirt and Thai fabric skirt. She more often wore jeans than several candidates. She not even put on big earing or neclace... she often use crossbody bag or a small bag pack... and people here still kept complaining.

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Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:11 am
by aimee_aimee
Ramboy wrote:Oh the Thais! They will do anything to put the Filipinos down. I saw that video when Janine won 1 st runner up. They were all praying that she would lose and when she did, the whole people on that night bar was jumping with joy. To think that they should be supporting their fellow Asians just like Filipinos do. Envy and jealousy will not make you better fans. Change your strategy, it's not the 80s or 90s anymore. Look at the Philippines. They are far far away. Indonesians fared better than Thais. Be better fans, not bitter fans.


go to read the comment of Username:zashkibuta above... and change the word "Thai" to "Philippino".
there are some Philipino fans who were not nice too.... even PH get the crown but they still not stop being trolls in several candidate pages..., I see time to time in MUT fanpage.. how you want other support your queen while some of her fans are rude to other... It is not only Thai fans bashing Philippine, Philipino fans do the same... just go back to Miss Universe official coverage... Aniporn get bashed by Philipino fans here more than Pia get bashed by Thai.(There is even a Philipino who pretended to be Thai bashing other candidate from Vietnam and Philippines.. usename Phu Ki M u. I hope you remember.)

For Janine case.. you have to blam on Philipino fans who made a facebook page for her (I just don't want to believe that it herself who did it...even it is really convince me.) I am sure that it made by Philipino fans because it written in English and Tagalog. ... it just make Thai fan can't support her. (This account was deleted later, it is use the name of Janine Tugonon. He or she put on photos of other candidates, especial Thailand... and writing not nice words, do a provocation.. for example TAYLAND VS. PHILIPPINES DAW???? , put on the photo of Thailand without make up..with an ironic caption... put on photo of Thailand in comparing with Kevin miss International Queen 2012 with a caption "who you bet?" And Philipino fans who comented there were very rude.. This page was widely talked of the town in Thai cyber pageant fans... give the result that Thai fans gave more support to USA that year.

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:53 pm
by zashkibuta
Miss Pretty wrote:Actually Thailand should make connection and pay more to Miss Universe, MW, and MI likes the Philippines did. No need to mention about ME as it is just a cooking show made by the Philippines and cheat…ops!!! win by the Philippines….lol

I agree that Thai fans are bad, but they are in the same level as Vietnam and Indonesia. However, the worst one is Filipino…go to Miss Colombia 15's IG (or Ines's, Miss Universe Germany's, Miss Universe Indonesia's) after Miss Universe final and you will see how disgusting they are.


WRONG. THAIS ARE THE WORST BASHERS AND IS EPITOMIZED BY YOUR PERSON :finger: :finger: :finger:

Re: Sustaining Thailand's Stride: Asia's Unfulfilled Promise

PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:13 am
by fermnedoza
I'm loving the fact that I am not hearing so much about what Miss Thailand will wear in a pageant. The focus now are on the girls.

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