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Is it okay to praise"rule breakers & ineligible candidates"?

Postby ajsy0203 » Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:33 pm

    

Miss Universe & IMG were able to allow underage beauties (didn't turn 18 by January 1 in the eligibility year prior to 2020 rule change) to compete at Miss Universe like Monalysa in 2017 & Zoe in 2018 where both placed at the pageant. Yet the netizens did not react and some of them praised MUO for "inclusiveness"?

Miss Earth & Carousel did not allow girls with below the height limit to win the Miss Philippines Earth or Miss Earth crowns yet most of the netizens are condemning & bashing them right now?

The common denominator for all Big 5 pageants: they still disallowed unmarried women with child & single moms at their pageant which one of the "rule breaker" from Ukraine in 2018 was tried to push for these pageants to allow them to compete but so far none of the Big 5 pageants are willing to allow unmarried women with child & single moms unless there will be a big chance that they will compete for the sake of "inclusiveness" like the transgenders with legal female status in 2012.


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Re: Is it okay to praise"rule breakers & ineligible candidat

Postby esperasave » Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:32 pm

WHAT ABOUT THOSE UNWRITTEN RULES THAT THEY ALWAYS PLAY AND BREAK? THEY'VE WEAPONIZED IT TOO WELL SO THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT AND VICTIMIZE THOSE THAT ARE VULNERABLE IN THE COMPETITION.
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Re: Is it okay to praise"rule breakers & ineligible candidat

Postby Mariana Erwin » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:52 am

I think there's a difference between deliberate fraud, candidates trusting themselves too much (leading to a miscalculation of their height or weight), and unclear management. The issue of Miss Philippines Earth, in my opinion, is both between the delegates and Carousel Productions. Both of them need to at least make themselves clearer, and delegates should have their height and weight measured by a certified health professional, with that being certified by the said health professional themselves (and of course, the organizers should double check this as well, along with the delegates too). I won't ''bash'' Carousel Productions for having this kind of issue, although they and their potential applicants have to be better.

And also, I do not know what to say with Monalysa and Zoe's cases as in the end, they were qualified to participate in Miss Universe given their age. Monalysa and Zoe were already eighteen when they competed in Miss Universe - their only probably was that they did not qualify for the ''safeguarding'' date. I think Miss Universe only allows this on a case-to-case basis; in 2020, they allowed Estefania Soto (Miss Puerto Rico) to participate due to the pandemic causing the delay of the 2020 edition of Miss Universe, given that she was already twenty-nine when she competed (although she did not win).

The case of married women and women with children is a different issue, though. This makes me remember Miss France, and unfortunately, that lawsuit by the three unknown delegates forced them to do so. Recently, I've heard that they had a hearing in a court in Bobigny, a city near Paris about that lawsuit. (That city is near their headquarters, in Aubervilliers). Since I can't understand French, here are articles about it by these French news sites:

https://actu.fr/ile-de-france/bobigny_9 ... 37225.html
https://fr.news.yahoo.com/miss-france-d ... 26136.html
https://www.20minutes.fr/justice/331244 ... nt-justice
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Re: Is it okay to praise"rule breakers & ineligible candidat

Postby ajsy0203 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:22 am

Mariana Erwin wrote:

And also, I do not know what to say with Monalysa and Zoe's cases as in the end, they were qualified to participate in Miss Universe given their age. Monalysa and Zoe were already eighteen when they competed in Miss Universe - their only probably was that they did not qualify for the ''safeguarding'' date. I think Miss Universe only allows this on a case-to-case basis; in 2020, they allowed Estefania Soto (Miss Puerto Rico) to participate due to the pandemic causing the delay of the 2020 edition of Miss Universe, given that she was already twenty-nine when she competed (although she did not win).



The original rule prior to 2020 change was you must be 18 years old by January 1 of the eligibility year that she will compete. Monalysa turned 18 one month after the January 1 and Zoe was 17 at that time of Miss Belgium 2018 was held before she turned 18 few months later. MUO & IMG accepted them for the sake of "inclusiveness" unlike in the Trump era where they would had been ineligible to compete like Urvashi Rautela in 2012 & Patricia Rodriguez in 2008.

Now the current rules for a potential Miss Universe candidate (except Miss USA which they were stick to January 1 rule) is you must be 18 years old at the time of the national pageant will be held.

Miss USA still stick to the January 1 rule because they still have Miss Teen USA pageant.
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Re: Is it okay to praise"rule breakers & ineligible candidat

Postby Mariana Erwin » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:11 pm

ajsy0203 wrote:
Mariana Erwin wrote:

And also, I do not know what to say with Monalysa and Zoe's cases as in the end, they were qualified to participate in Miss Universe given their age. Monalysa and Zoe were already eighteen when they competed in Miss Universe - their only probably was that they did not qualify for the ''safeguarding'' date. I think Miss Universe only allows this on a case-to-case basis; in 2020, they allowed Estefania Soto (Miss Puerto Rico) to participate due to the pandemic causing the delay of the 2020 edition of Miss Universe, given that she was already twenty-nine when she competed (although she did not win).



The original rule prior to 2020 change was you must be 18 years old by January 1 of the eligibility year that she will compete. Monalysa turned 18 one month after the January 1 and Zoe was 17 at that time of Miss Belgium 2018 was held before she turned 18 few months later. MUO & IMG accepted them for the sake of "inclusiveness" unlike in the Trump era where they would had been ineligible to compete like Urvashi Rautela in 2012 & Patricia Rodriguez in 2008.

Now the current rules for a potential Miss Universe candidate (except Miss USA which they were stick to January 1 rule) is you must be 18 years old at the time of the national pageant will be held.

Miss USA still stick to the January 1 rule because they still have Miss Teen USA pageant.
Well, as I said once again, this is definitely on a case-to-case basis. I think the MUO has this safeguard date just to prevent any problems, although what matters to them now is that you are qualified to join the pageant upon the moment registrations begin (and especially, if you are joining the pageant that designates the representative of your country/territory in Miss Universe). In the case of both Monalysa and Zoe, their pageants were held near the end of the year (November 2017 for Monalysa; December 2018 for Zoe), which could be a reason why; in the past, Miss Universe was usually held in May or in the summer (before switching to being like the other major pageants in 2012), which would be a problem for both Monalysa and Zoe; however, their pageants were held closer to their 19th birthday than their 18th birthday, which is a reason for the MUO to simply allow them to compete. On Estafania's case, it was the pain of the MUO as they had to delay their 2020 edition from the calendar year of 2020 itself due to the global health crisis, so they still let her compete as well.
No more bashers in 2022, please.

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