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Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:26 am
by fermnedoza
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If there's anything to be said about how the Miss Earth pageant selects the semi-finalists, that will be that its the MOST transparent, if not necessarily the fairest and most perfect selection process. And when I said it's not necessarily the fairest and most perfect, I only meant to recognize the fact that we have different ideas as to how its applications ought to be.

While most of us are happy and content with the top 2 best performers from each continental-regions earning automatic pass to the semi-finals, to be joined by the next top 10 highest scorers as well as the recipients of the Eco-video and Eco-media awards; there are also those who believed that the top 20 or even just the first top 18 spots must be given exclusively to the actual top 18 based on the scores sheet and let whichever continental group that failed to field a candidate strong enough to make the cut suffer a blackout!

Unlike with Miss World, where we're practically in the dark as to the basis of the selection process other than that the Fast track events' winners earned automatic slots at the top 40 or 30 or 20 semi-finalists; or even with Miss Universe where only 2/3 of the preliminary competitions are being made public, Miss Earth is the only pageant that allowed the public to witness, observe and see for themselves how the girls perform in almost all aspects of the competition since all preliminary rounds , where 95% of the girls' total score are at stakes, are being done publicly, livestreamed and recorded for anyone interested to review and re-watch. as many times as he'she wants.if only to understand or just to came to terms with what happened during the finals' night..

Miss Earth after all also has the easiest elimination process to follow.

For the top 20 slots, all you need to do is to first compare your bet or favorite's performances during the preliminaries to how the other girls from her continental group performed. Was she among the two best performers in her group? If you believed so do you strongly felt that the actual judges agree with you? Bear in mind that the two highest scorers from each continental groups are to be given automatic placements in the top 20!

If you felt that your bet was not among the two highest scorers from her group, then start comparing her performances to the rest of the delegates even to those who belonged to other continental groups as 10 slots are to be given to 10 of the over-all highest scorers. Be careful though and bear in mind that even if your bet seemed to have performed better than the entire contingents of a continental group, their two strongest bets whom your candidate might have eclipsed performance-wise will still be the ones that will make the top 20 again due to the automatic slots afforded each continental group.

Then the last but definitely not the least is through the Automatic passes given to the winners of the major awards - the Best Eco-video and the Eco-media Awards.

Now, not to further rub salts on their wounds nor to justify their supporters allegations that they were robbed or cheated of a placement let us do the re-cap, review and compare the performances of the delegates whose non-inclusion surprised or not surprised us. Namely INDIA, VENEZUELA and UKRAINE.

Of the three it was India's case that was the most interesting as she could have made it via all the routes that could land a candidate a semifinals spot namely via the continental placements (was she really better than the four Asia-Oceanian who made the cut - Guam, Japan, New Zealand, Philippines?) . The actual scoresheets (Do you believed that she should be among the next 10 delegates who earned a slot based on their over-all scores? Do you thinks she scored higher than some of the girls in the top 18 that comes from the other continents?) And /or by winning the two major awards (Was her eco-video better than that of England's and/or her eco-media entries much better than that of Thailand's?).

Let us do the recap and review Misses India Ukraine and Venezuela's performances and compared those performances to the others. This time though let us try to be more rational than emotional as whether we admit it or not, we might have been influenced by their "sash." In the case, again, of India, when we wrote her name in our predictions, was it really because we truly believed that she deserve it or was it because we are just desperate to see India placed again that we ended turning a blind eyes on her weaknesses?

Then of course with Venezuela, did she really deserved to be in the top 20 or was it because we're just so accustomed to seeing a Venezuelan making the cut at ME that we expect them to always make it?



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Beauty of Face and Poise

I thought a lot of us focused to much on judging the girls solely on their beauty of face, while the delegates were also judged (separately) on their poise







Beauty of Figure and Form




Intelligence Round



ECO-VIDEO



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A/N: I did not include Ghana and Nigeria on the list as their rankings in the scoresheet did not in anyway affect the others' placement. Even if let say India, Ukraine and Venezuela were ranked as top 17, top 18 and top 19 and Ghana and Nigeria were at the 21st and 22nd or even on the 30th and above positions both Ghana and Nigeria will still advance to the top 20 for being obviously the two highest scorers from Africa

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:45 am
by manoypoe
I agree that among the beauty pageants, Miss Earth is the most transparent and the fairest. Just to gain points from countries with bigger fans support, Miss Earth could have placed India than Guam or New Zealand.

They could have played politics and let Venezuela place instead of Guyana. How I wish they are playing politics to avoid protests from disgruntled fans. Butot would be unfair to the delegates who are really deserving to place.

Hope that next year, they will make it Top25 coz it looks like placement in Miss Earth is highly contested.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:02 am
by fermnedoza
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Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:14 am
by antoine
I’m still scratching my head over Ukraine .. she was deliberately taken out of contention

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:17 am
by ajsy0203
Prior to England and Thailand's win at the fast track competitions, there were:
7 delegates from Europe
5 delegates from Americas
5 delegates from Asia and Oceania and
2 delegates from Africa.
made it to the original Top 18.

I think attitude score made the huge difference between a semifinalist and a clapper.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:30 am
by fermnedoza
antoine wrote:I’m still scratching my head over Ukraine .. she was deliberately taken out of contention


Her performance during the "Intelligence Round" likely pulled her out of the top 20. It was after that round, that I started to doubt whether she'll make it or not.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:07 am
by Geeyourhair
Honestly, only in Miss Earth I can figure out and understand why so and so did not make it in the semi-finals. In Miss Universe, I have a hard time understanding why some candidates did not make it, only because the interview is not made available to the public.

Anyway for Ukraine in Miss Earth--she could have a good score but the whole Europe group is so strong. Russia, Belarus, Czech, Poland, Portugal, The Netherlands, Spain. They are all performers in all three rounds. But I am sure Ukraine scored better than the rest of the other continents. Too bad she was up against the best of the best from Europe.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:41 pm
by quelab22
The top 4 are perfection...

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:56 pm
by bloomfield
Question ? Why is Lorraine Skunk always sit as a judge ?? Is she copying Julia MOUSEly ? Does that sound credible ?? Just asking ..... @-)

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:04 pm
by ajsy0203
bloomfield wrote:Question ? Why is Lorraine Skunk always sit as a judge ?? Is she copying Julia MOUSEly ? Does that sound credible ?? Just asking ..... @-)


Madam Lorraine was not part of the pre-judging panel but she only evaluated the girls during the finals. Remember she knew behind the scenes in the world of pageant since she previously a pageant contestant 40 years ago.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:18 pm
by Geeyourhair
bloomfield wrote:Question ? Why is Lorraine Skunk always sit as a judge ?? Is she copying Julia MOUSEly ? Does that sound credible ?? Just asking ..... @-)


Why can't she sit as a judge? She is the owner, she has the right to choose a winner. What differentiate her from Julia is Lorraine is just one of the scorers in the final night and she does not sway other judges to vote for what she like; plus, there is SGV who make sure no hanky-panky is happening. Julia on the other hand is different, she has the last (or maybe the only) say.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:50 pm
by bloomfield
Geeyourhair wrote:
bloomfield wrote:Question ? Why is Lorraine Skunk always sit as a judge ?? Is she copying Julia MOUSEly ? Does that sound credible ?? Just asking ..... @-)


Why can't she sit as a judge? She is the owner, she has the right to choose a winner. What differentiate her from Julia is Lorraine is just one of the scorers in the final night and she does not sway other judges to vote for what she like; plus, there is SGV who make sure no hanky-panky is happening. Julia on the other hand is different, she has the last (or maybe the only) say.[/quote

Gurl what’s hanky- panky ?? =;)) You mean hocus-pocus ?? =;))

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:55 pm
by Geeyourhair
bloomfield wrote:
Geeyourhair wrote:
bloomfield wrote:Question ? Why is Lorraine Skunk always sit as a judge ?? Is she copying Julia MOUSEly ? Does that sound credible ?? Just asking ..... @-)


Why can't she sit as a judge? She is the owner, she has the right to choose a winner. What differentiate her from Julia is Lorraine is just one of the scorers in the final night and she does not sway other judges to vote for what she like; plus, there is SGV who make sure no hanky-panky is happening. Julia on the other hand is different, she has the last (or maybe the only) say.[/quote

Gurl what’s hanky- panky ?? =;)) You mean hocus-pocus ?? =;))


yes that is what I meant.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:23 pm
by brent520
antoine wrote:I’m still scratching my head over Ukraine .. she was deliberately taken out of contention


Stop speculating, here’s the TEA:

Ukraine- got very low scores because of her attitude. Other girls were complaining about her, NDs, and even the staff knew about this little diva

India- simple, the prelim judges didn’t like her, she had to work on her body; her face was plain without make up and her only saving grace was the interview. The rest were meeh! (Sorry i dunno why you all even hyped her)

Venezuela- was the weakest delegate they ever sent. Not so prepared and had an underwhelming facial beauty in person. She had a nice attitude but lot of latinas overshadowed her. That’s it. The prelim judges were not impressed at all.(based on their reaction LIVE)

If you wanna place, impress the prelim judges (this is were luck comes in, if they like you ‘cos you are what the org is looking for then just perform on the final night)

There i said it! I can breathe now!

Hirap magtago!

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:28 pm
by melania
brent520 wrote:
antoine wrote:I’m still scratching my head over Ukraine .. she was deliberately taken out of contention


Stop speculating, here’s the TEA:

Ukraine- got very low scores because of her attitude. Other girls were complaining about her, NDs, and even the staff knew about this little diva

India- simple, the prelim judges didn’t like her, she had to work on her body; her face was plain without make up and her only saving grace was the interview. The rest were meeh! (Sorry i dunno why you all even hyped her)

Venezuela- was the weakest delegate they ever sent. Not so prepared and had an underwhelming facial beauty in person. She had a nice attitude but lot of latinas overshadowed her. That’s it. The prelim judges were not impressed at all.(based on their reaction LIVE)

If you wanna place, impress the prelim judges (this is were luck comes in, if they like you ‘cos you are what the org is looking for then just perform on the final night)

There i said it! I can breathe now!

Hirap magtago!


UKRAINE SAID IN HER INSTAGRAM STORIES, IT WAS A FALSE ACCUSATION ABOUT HER ATTITUDE, IT HAPPENED TO USA AS WELL AT THE START OF THE COMPETITION THAT SHE WAS ACCUSED OF HAVING A DIVA ATTITUDE DURING HER TV 5 GUESTING.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:43 pm
by Handsama
Whatever comments have been made here about some delegates, let’s keep them amongst us friends. Fans ought to just leave these women alone on social media unless they’ve got nice things to say about the girls. Hear that coco? :-P

Let’s not put them on the defensive. As of now, everyone has been saying some really great things about the pageant and their overall experience. Let’s make sure to keep it that way.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:50 pm
by Handsama
Question for fermnedoza. This is just for my reference.

So you’re saying that the top 2 from each continent are joined next by the top 10 performing women regardless of which region they’re from.

I thought it’s the other way around...the top 10 performing women regardless of where they’re from are joined by the remaining top 2 from each continent.

Care to clarify? Thanks.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:25 pm
by brent520
melania wrote:
brent520 wrote:
antoine wrote:I’m still scratching my head over Ukraine .. she was deliberately taken out of contention


Stop speculating, here’s the TEA:

Ukraine- got very low scores because of her attitude. Other girls were complaining about her, NDs, and even the staff knew about this little diva

India- simple, the prelim judges didn’t like her, she had to work on her body; her face was plain without make up and her only saving grace was the interview. The rest were meeh! (Sorry i dunno why you all even hyped her)

Venezuela- was the weakest delegate they ever sent. Not so prepared and had an underwhelming facial beauty in person. She had a nice attitude but lot of latinas overshadowed her. That’s it. The prelim judges were not impressed at all.(based on their reaction LIVE)

If you wanna place, impress the prelim judges (this is were luck comes in, if they like you ‘cos you are what the org is looking for then just perform on the final night)

There i said it! I can breathe now!

Hirap magtago!


UKRAINE SAID IN HER INSTAGRAM STORIES, IT WAS A FALSE ACCUSATION ABOUT HER ATTITUDE, IT HAPPENED TO USA AS WELL AT THE START OF THE COMPETITION THAT SHE WAS ACCUSED OF HAVING A DIVA ATTITUDE DURING HER TV 5 GUESTING.


Of course kay USA di totoo.

Pero sa kanya totoo! Nangingisay ngisay pa ang staff pag nababanggit pangalan nya. It is her blindspot. Di yan chismis! Tanungin nyo team managers. You can even ask 1 or 2 sa NDs, tignan ko lang

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:20 am
by manoypoe
brent520 wrote:
melania wrote:
brent520 wrote:
antoine wrote:I’m still scratching my head over Ukraine .. she was deliberately taken out of contention


Stop speculating, here’s the TEA:

Ukraine- got very low scores because of her attitude. Other girls were complaining about her, NDs, and even the staff knew about this little diva

India- simple, the prelim judges didn’t like her, she had to work on her body; her face was plain without make up and her only saving grace was the interview. The rest were meeh! (Sorry i dunno why you all even hyped her)

Venezuela- was the weakest delegate they ever sent. Not so prepared and had an underwhelming facial beauty in person. She had a nice attitude but lot of latinas overshadowed her. That’s it. The prelim judges were not impressed at all.(based on their reaction LIVE)

If you wanna place, impress the prelim judges (this is were luck comes in, if they like you ‘cos you are what the org is looking for then just perform on the final night)

There i said it! I can breathe now!

Hirap magtago!


UKRAINE SAID IN HER INSTAGRAM STORIES, IT WAS A FALSE ACCUSATION ABOUT HER ATTITUDE, IT HAPPENED TO USA AS WELL AT THE START OF THE COMPETITION THAT SHE WAS ACCUSED OF HAVING A DIVA ATTITUDE DURING HER TV 5 GUESTING.


Of course kay USA di totoo.

Pero sa kanya totoo! Nangingisay ngisay pa ang staff pag nababanggit pangalan nya. It is her blindspot. Di yan chismis! Tanungin nyo team managers. You can even ask 1 or 2 sa NDs, tignan ko lang


Hayaan na lang natin. Masaya naman siya at walang sourgraping.

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:22 am
by zoondwaine
If Miss Earth have a majority of pinoy judges, PH does not win and the winners were always facially superior. But if half or majority of the judges are foreign, it always end up PH winning. Lol!

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:40 am
by quelab22
I hope Carousel/MEOrg. Will reveal the top10 scorers in each preliminary rounds si at least the speculations of the other people will stop, since France reveal that she was ranked 21st

Re: Let's Do the Recap: You be the Judge

PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:21 am
by fermnedoza
Handsama wrote:Question for fermnedoza. This is just for my reference.

So you’re saying that the top 2 from each continent are joined next by the top 10 performing women regardless of which region they’re from.

I thought it’s the other way around...the top 10 performing women regardless of where they’re from are joined by the remaining top 2 from each continent.

Care to clarify? Thanks.


Based from past editions' results its the two top performers first from each region followed by 10 of the highest scorers. Note that never in the history of Miss Earth that we saw Africa be represented by three delegates which could have had happened this year . Noting Ghana's strong showing during the preliminaries she could be among the top ten scorers and could have given way to two more Africans in the top 20 if we're to follow your assumption.