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Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby ajsy0203 » Wed May 30, 2018 2:11 pm

    

Every year you see these names as one of the judges at their respective pageants:
MWO Chairwoman: Julia Morley
MIO/ICA President: Akemi Shimomura
MEO Executive Vice President: Lorraine Schuck
MSO Production Producer: Gerhard Parzutka von Lipiński
MGIO Vice President: Teresa Chaivisut

Now at Miss USA 2018, MUO President Paula Shugart is now one of the members of selection committee/judges at the pageant.

In your opinion, do you think the pageant organizers should sit or not to sit as one of the judges at the pageant? What are the pros and cons about this idea?


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Postby novemberRain » Wed May 30, 2018 2:25 pm

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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby muflavanberg » Wed May 30, 2018 2:49 pm

Good Idea. Organizers and the winners will be working together for a whole year and of course the Organizer have all the right to be part on selecting the woman who will represent their brand and advocacy but also will be a great person to work with.
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby beautybeast » Wed May 30, 2018 3:09 pm

I didn't understand at first until working with Julia Morley and the MWO for several years as a National Director. The organization manages, supports, works and ultimately lives with the winner for the full year. It's a "Job Interview" not popularity contest. All organizers should be a part of the selection process not making the "Sole" decision, but definitely have a voice. That should happen at the National levels also, but we know there will be abuse of power in some instances!
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby manoypoe » Wed May 30, 2018 3:58 pm

AS LONG AS THEY JUDGE FAIRLY AND AS LONG AS THEY TABULATE THE SCORES OF THE JUDGES CAREFULLY AND THE RESULTS ARE AUDITED, IT IS FINE WITH ME.
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby muzical » Wed May 30, 2018 4:45 pm

But no one complained about it untill 2016. Suddenly what happened loll. Miss world always judged fairly and they always know which girl suit there organization perfectly thats why we have so many iconic Miss World winners who are still spreading there beauty and charm.
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby Handsama » Thu May 31, 2018 1:59 am

I’ve got no issue with the pageant organizer helping determine the winner. After all it’s his/her pageant. But only to a certain extent. I prefer to see the organizer as part of the judging panel where he/she is only one of several voices. I don’t want him/her to be the ultimate judge...to prevent blatant favoritism and to avoid injecting too much politics into the decision making process.

Plus, I want to see the judges inputting their scores in a computer independent of one another to ensure maximum fairness. And having a reputable auditing firm take charge of the scores prevents manipulation of the outcome to suit the organizer’s wish.
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby quelab22 » Thu May 31, 2018 6:49 am

its a good idea that the "one" of the organizers should sit as one of the judges but there must be a limitation and still provide transparency, not to the point that you will deciding who will be the winner and the rest of the judges will just be a "front"
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby missofan705 » Thu May 31, 2018 9:22 am

ajsy0203 wrote:Every year you see these names as one of the judges at their respective pageants:
MWO Chairwoman: Julia Morley
MIO/ICA President: Akemi Shimomura
MEO Executive Vice President: Lorraine Schuck
MSO Production Producer: Gerhard Parzutka von Lipiński
MGIO Vice President: Teresa Chaivisut

Now at Miss USA 2018, MUO President Paula Shugart is now one of the members of selection committee/judges at the pageant.

In your opinion, do you think the pageant organizers should sit or not to sit as one of the judges at the pageant? What are the pros and cons about this idea?


Good idea. The Morleys in the judging panel as Miss World actually produced great results especially in the past............until national directors were added to the judging panel which personally I believe is a huge NO. Regardless of which country the ND came from (Indonesia, Philippines, etc), having them on the judge's table is a huge NO.

Another question, how about a REIGNING titleholder as part of the judging panel? I think Miss International does it. I'm quite in fence with this because it gives me a thinking that their national successors clapped just because of them. I don't know. I can be wrong.
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby quelab22 » Thu May 31, 2018 10:10 am

missofan705 wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:Every year you see these names as one of the judges at their respective pageants:
MWO Chairwoman: Julia Morley
MIO/ICA President: Akemi Shimomura
MEO Executive Vice President: Lorraine Schuck
MSO Production Producer: Gerhard Parzutka von Lipiński
MGIO Vice President: Teresa Chaivisut

Now at Miss USA 2018, MUO President Paula Shugart is now one of the members of selection committee/judges at the pageant.

In your opinion, do you think the pageant organizers should sit or not to sit as one of the judges at the pageant? What are the pros and cons about this idea?


Good idea. The Morleys in the judging panel as Miss World actually produced great results especially in the past............until national directors were added to the judging panel which personally I believe is a huge NO. Regardless of which country the ND came from (Indonesia, Philippines, etc), having them on the judge's table is a huge NO.

Another question, how about a REIGNING titleholder as part of the judging panel? I think Miss International does it. I'm quite in fence with this because it gives me a thinking that their national successors clapped just because of them. I don't know. I can be wrong.


i think Miss Supra is practicing that one, right? The reigning queen was also part of the judging panel.
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Postby kopal rana » Thu May 31, 2018 10:47 am

Good idea
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Postby kopal rana » Thu May 31, 2018 10:48 am

Good idea
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby missofan705 » Thu May 31, 2018 11:08 am

quelab22 wrote:
missofan705 wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:Every year you see these names as one of the judges at their respective pageants:
MWO Chairwoman: Julia Morley
MIO/ICA President: Akemi Shimomura
MEO Executive Vice President: Lorraine Schuck
MSO Production Producer: Gerhard Parzutka von Lipiński
MGIO Vice President: Teresa Chaivisut

Now at Miss USA 2018, MUO President Paula Shugart is now one of the members of selection committee/judges at the pageant.

In your opinion, do you think the pageant organizers should sit or not to sit as one of the judges at the pageant? What are the pros and cons about this idea?


Good idea. The Morleys in the judging panel as Miss World actually produced great results especially in the past............until national directors were added to the judging panel which personally I believe is a huge NO. Regardless of which country the ND came from (Indonesia, Philippines, etc), having them on the judge's table is a huge NO.

Another question, how about a REIGNING titleholder as part of the judging panel? I think Miss International does it. I'm quite in fence with this because it gives me a thinking that their national successors clapped just because of them. I don't know. I can be wrong.


i think Miss Supra is practicing that one, right? The reigning queen was also part of the judging panel.


No, I think the Miss Supra winner gets to judge on Mister Supranational the next day after she was crowned. I'm not so sure. But in Miss International, it was very evident. I don't want to think about it, maybe because it's becoming their 'protocol' not to let the reigning country place in the next pageant.
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Postby bcdf1930 » Thu May 31, 2018 4:12 pm

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Postby AaronICK » Thu May 31, 2018 11:49 pm

muzical wrote:But no one complained about it untill 2016. Suddenly what happened loll. Miss world always judged fairly and they always know which girl suit there organization perfectly thats why we have so many iconic Miss World winners who are still spreading there beauty and charm.


Fairly my ass!!! Miss World has always been questionable when it comes to the selection of winner. It's just that people saw the travesty in 2016 to finally voice out their disappointment.

Though I will say that they get the winners right most of the time.
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby AaronICK » Thu May 31, 2018 11:54 pm

I think the pageant owners and executives are the only people who have the right to sit as one of the pageant judges, but not as the head of the judging panel.

National Directors SHOULD NEVER SIT AS ONE OF THE JUDGES AT ALL BECAUSE OF OBVIOUS BIAS. Their loyalty will always be with their country no matter how people say it.

Pageant owners and executives, on the other hand, own the brand. They should have a say in the selection of the person who will represent them for the following year.

So for me, having Julia, Lorraine, Paula, Akemi and the others is OK provided that they do not sit as the head of the judging panel.
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby Paola De Bracho 2.0 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:17 am

pageant owner, why not!

national director, the fuccckkk!
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby Leo1 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:51 pm

missofan705 wrote:
quelab22 wrote:
missofan705 wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:Every year you see these names as one of the judges at their respective pageants:
MWO Chairwoman: Julia Morley
MIO/ICA President: Akemi Shimomura
MEO Executive Vice President: Lorraine Schuck
MSO Production Producer: Gerhard Parzutka von Lipiński
MGIO Vice President: Teresa Chaivisut

Now at Miss USA 2018, MUO President Paula Shugart is now one of the members of selection committee/judges at the pageant.

In your opinion, do you think the pageant organizers should sit or not to sit as one of the judges at the pageant? What are the pros and cons about this idea?


Good idea. The Morleys in the judging panel as Miss World actually produced great results especially in the past............until national directors were added to the judging panel which personally I believe is a huge NO. Regardless of which country the ND came from (Indonesia, Philippines, etc), having them on the judge's table is a huge NO.

Another question, how about a REIGNING titleholder as part of the judging panel? I think Miss International does it. I'm quite in fence with this because it gives me a thinking that their national successors clapped just because of them. I don't know. I can be wrong.


i think Miss Supra is practicing that one, right? The reigning queen was also part of the judging panel.


No, I think the Miss Supra winner gets to judge on Mister Supranational the next day after she was crowned. I'm not so sure. But in Miss International, it was very evident. I don't want to think about it, maybe because it's becoming their 'protocol' not to let the reigning country place in the next pageant.


The outgoing Supra winner judges both pageants. I remembered Mutya being a judge in 2014, Asha in 2015, Stephania in 2016 (Miss & Mister), and Shrindi in 2017 (Miss & Mister).
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby AaronICK » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:00 am

Leo1 wrote:
missofan705 wrote:
quelab22 wrote:
missofan705 wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:Every year you see these names as one of the judges at their respective pageants:
MWO Chairwoman: Julia Morley
MIO/ICA President: Akemi Shimomura
MEO Executive Vice President: Lorraine Schuck
MSO Production Producer: Gerhard Parzutka von Lipiński
MGIO Vice President: Teresa Chaivisut

Now at Miss USA 2018, MUO President Paula Shugart is now one of the members of selection committee/judges at the pageant.

In your opinion, do you think the pageant organizers should sit or not to sit as one of the judges at the pageant? What are the pros and cons about this idea?


Good idea. The Morleys in the judging panel as Miss World actually produced great results especially in the past............until national directors were added to the judging panel which personally I believe is a huge NO. Regardless of which country the ND came from (Indonesia, Philippines, etc), having them on the judge's table is a huge NO.

Another question, how about a REIGNING titleholder as part of the judging panel? I think Miss International does it. I'm quite in fence with this because it gives me a thinking that their national successors clapped just because of them. I don't know. I can be wrong.


i think Miss Supra is practicing that one, right? The reigning queen was also part of the judging panel.


No, I think the Miss Supra winner gets to judge on Mister Supranational the next day after she was crowned. I'm not so sure. But in Miss International, it was very evident. I don't want to think about it, maybe because it's becoming their 'protocol' not to let the reigning country place in the next pageant.


The outgoing Supra winner judges both pageants. I remembered Mutya being a judge in 2014, Asha in 2015, Stephania in 2016 (Miss & Mister), and Shrindi in 2017 (Miss & Mister).


That is OK, since the Supra org explicitly mentioned it in their rules. Besides, I think having the reigning winners as one of the sitting judges is justifiable with the fact that they should have a say with regards to the person who will succeed them.
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Postby TheK » Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:28 am

Good Idea for as long as it is the actual owner. Bad Idea if particular NDs are involved
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Re: Pageant Organizers as judges, Good Idea or Bad Idea?

Postby Lafeadamadelaindia » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:50 am

Paula Shugart’s participation at Miss USA was simply the new version of “Trump picks.” So instead of doing it “behind the scenes,” her picks were done during the broadcast and were included in the scoring.
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